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Driver behind me decided it would be good to not pay attention for a bit and thus didn't notice all the cars stopped at the light.

Luckily he could have been going a lot faster than he was.

Not too banged up, bruised leg/ankle I think from the leg sheild. I was wearing helmet.

Luckily, I had installed some crash bars and they seemed to take most of the brunt. They are now bent at the junction point in the rear. Taillight busted, and the front end smashed into the van in front of me demolishing the front fender.

I haven't had it inspected yet (shop is a few hours away) but I did notice that it seemed like the alignment is slightly off. But I don't know if that's a thing on bikes. It could be just my imagination or the front luggage rack being slightly off center.

It's still drivable - as far as I can't tell. But again, if that's risky for some reason - I won't. I'll try to get to the shop in a few days.

Any advice?
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Yes I could have!
Looks like you were dead center in the lane.
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Glad you're okay!

FWIW, this is why filtering to the front at stop lights is safer than waiting "your turn" behind traffic. If you live somewhere that doesn't tolerate filtering, it's still a good idea to position yourself in the farside of the lane, so an oblivious driver goes around you rather than through you.
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Thats awful, but I see a new HPE in your future.
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Re: It could have been worse....
Leftywasprider wrote:
Any advice?
Yes, if it were possible to rotate the images ... thank you.
Ah ... you were lucky all in all, do a bone check anyway.
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Vespas are expensive to fix and get right.

I'm guessing insurance is going to write that off.

At this point, be sure you get as much as you can for the write off. Detail how much it will really cost to replace your scooter and accessories to make you whole. If your helmet impacted the ground, they need to pay for that replacement as well.

Don't be shy about asking for more $$ to make you whole and don't sign anything without reviewing it carefully.
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Re: It could have been worse....
Leftywasprider wrote:
Any advice?
Make sure the driver never makes that mistake again by making this experience as painful as possible!

Too many drivers paying too little attention nowadays!

Glad you weren't seriously injured.
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Oof. That indeed could have been worse. I'm a bit surprised the crash bars did any good under those circumstances...

I'd strongly suspect your fork is somewhat bent. It certainly would affect handling. I'm not sure if it's actually dangerous to ride, but obviously want to get things sorted ASAP.
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You'd really notice if the fork was bent - the front of the bike would go up and down depending on where the wheel was pointed.

I suspect it's just the handlebars rotated slightly on the steering column - very, very common. Gentle taps against the end-stop can tweak it into line, or better with the wheel against a kerb. If it won't go straight like that then remove the headset and adjust by loosening/tweaking/tightening the handlebar clamp.
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First off glad you're OK!

My guess is insurance would write it off especially if there is any damage to the body. You haven't mentioned a report or insurance though so not sure how that plays out here.

I went down admittedly harder and where the crash bars were the scoot was fine. It was the floor board that took the brunt of it and was bent which made it a write off even though I still got a fair amount for the scoot.

Get it to the shop and see what they say. If you were rear ended while stopped though you are not at fault in any way and insurance should take care of it. Vespas are notoriously hard to straighten out once there is any real amount of damage. Forks aren't that bad a cost but bodywork is brutally expensive.
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OUCH! I am so glad you were not badly hurt. And will shed tears for the poor abused scooter...
agree with all above, and Yes, do hold at fault people accountable. Take care and hope you are soon back on 2 wheels again.
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Is there any damage to the Grey mini van in front of you? If so, be prepared for a hit on your insurance from that driver. Suck that other guy dry.
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Is there any damage to the Grey minivan in front of you? If so, be prepared for a hit on your insurance from that driver. Suck that other guy dry.
I'm glad you're okay! Syd's probably right, unfortunately.
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Strongly agree with the filtering post. Utah is one of the few states that allow filtering and I do it regularly. Glad you're ok.
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Lebo wrote:
Strongly agree with the filtering post. Utah is one of the few states that allow filtering and I do it regularly. Glad you're ok.
Wait, they do?!? When did that happen? For years, California was the only state that (mostly) allowed filtering. Was this recent?
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Lebo wrote:
Strongly agree with the filtering post. Utah is one of the few states that allow filtering and I do it regularly. Glad you're ok.
Wait, they do?!? When did that happen? For years, California was the only state that (mostly) allowed filtering. Was this recent?
Yeah, we had a big thread on it. Seems you have some catching up to do.
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Thanks for all the tips. The minivan in front had very little damage actually; Much more damage from a previous accident - I think there was a slight scratch at the very bottom of the bumper where my fender hit.I don't suspect they will bother.

It's not legal here to split the lane, but I suppose getting in the habit of moving over could be helpful, but who knows. They driver could have instead side-swiped my leg as I was stopped.

I'm in a no-fault state, the driver was visiting from out-of-state so I have no idea how this will work out.

The driver (and the driver in van in front) were both "Midwestern" nice - and the guy who hit me admitted to us and the cop that he wasn't paying attention.

I don't know how that impacts things, and havent seen a copy of the police report.

The Vespa was a 2018 - bought new last year; had 3900 miles on it. I suppose if I get enough money from the insurance, I could sell this and buy a new one....?..?

I'm not sentimentally attached - but want to keep riding.
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znomit wrote:
Yeah, we had a big thread on it. Seems you have some catching up to do.
Balls.
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Problem with sitting off to the right while stopped at a light in traffic.....You'll suddenly have a car easing up alongside your tail-light or left leg. Guaranteed!
If you only move over a little ---- you'll still get pinched, so will have gained nothing.
Nothing for it - except to ride in a car in town - and a scooter out in the country.
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The thrill of the scooter ...
jess wrote:
znomit wrote:
Yeah, we had a big thread on it. Seems you have some catching up to do.
Balls.
Isn't that the same word that american general Anthony Clement McAuliffe said to nazi general Hasso von Manteuffel during the siege of Bastogne in the Ardennes?
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Attila wrote:
Isn't that the same word that american general Anthony Clement McAuliffe said to nazi general Hasso von Manteuffel during the siege of Bastogne in the Ardennes?
More or less, yes.
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Splitting and its cousins are explicitly legal in California, Montana, Utah, and Hawaii. Additionally, much of the southwest/midwest doesn't officially tolerate it, but also haven't explicitly made it illegal.

Here is the relevant thread.
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Balls.
Isn't that the same word that american general Anthony Clement McAuliffe said to nazi general Hasso von Manteuffel during the siege of Bastogne in the Ardennes? [/quote]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McAuliffe
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I've been playing phone tag with my insurance (USAA) the driver had State Farm (he was from out of state visiting.

I'm trying to anticipate what the insurance will be if they total it out. I checked the NADA site and it says

Suggested
List Price
$6,999

Low
Retail
$4,635

Average
Retail
$6,100

I'm not sure which number they use.

I also assume once it's totaled - that it wouldn't be insurable?

Trying to guess how likely I will be to getting a new Vespa....

I also found out that I know someone who fixes / restores vespas so that could be helpful.
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Refer to:

Balls.
Battle of the Bulge directed by Ken Annakin.

The style i imagine of the americans.
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Leftywasprider wrote:
I've been playing phone tag with my insurance (USAA) the driver had State Farm (he was from out of state visiting.

I'm trying to anticipate what the insurance will be if they total it out. I checked the NADA site and it says

Suggested
List Price
$6,999

Low
Retail
$4,635

Average
Retail
$6,100

I'm not sure which number they use.

I also assume once it's totaled - that it wouldn't be insurable?

Trying to guess how likely I will be to getting a new Vespa....

I also found out that I know someone who fixes / restores vespas so that could be helpful.
They will likely use the lowest number; do your homework by finding current comparables in your area to establish your true replacement cost. Current listings will bolster your position to get the best outcome. Be sure to include cot of accessories and a new helmet.
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Also make sure the insurance settlement includes the cost of all accessories, any damage done to your riding gear, etc.
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Leftywasprider wrote:
I've been playing phone tag with my insurance (USAA) the driver had State Farm (he was from out of state visiting.

I'm trying to anticipate what the insurance will be if they total it out. I checked the NADA site and it says

Suggested
List Price
$6,999

Low
Retail
$4,635

Average
Retail
$6,100

I'm not sure which number they use.

I also assume once it's totaled - that it wouldn't be insurable?

Trying to guess how likely I will be to getting a new Vespa....

I also found out that I know someone who fixes / restores vespas so that could be helpful.
It may depend on the policy of your insurance company but I have had vehicles that were totaled, repaired and returned to the road and they were insurable but the rates were about the same as before but the payout would be less if it were damaged again, so I just got liability insurance.
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