Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:18 am

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:18 am linkquote
Friends! Finally I managed to find an original GL from 1963! i won the auction yesterday and have to pick up the wonder tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to seeing it in real life.

It was advertised as a px150 for reasons that you probably understand

How about those caps, the seatcover and the floor mat - will they date back to the '60?

I will report back after pickup!









Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:39 am linkquote
Congratulations from another GL 150 -59
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:43 am

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:43 am linkquote
Congrats!!! Keep us updated. If those grips are period do your best to preserve them!
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:46 am

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:46 am linkquote
Looks like the real deal to me. Is it possible somebody put a PE150 motor in it ?
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:52 am

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:52 am linkquote
Moto64 wrote:
Looks like the real deal to me. Is it possible somebody put a PE150 motor in it ?
I hope not!!

The kickstart looks like a GL, but perhaps the PO moved it over
Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:45 pm

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:45 pm linkquote
Congrats from a 1962 GL owner!

That all looks pretty legit and original. Mine had the same seat and grips, but my grips (and everything else) were pretty thrashed, so they got replaced.

It's a ton of fun to ride.



Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:44 pm

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Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:44 pm linkquote
Looks like it's in pretty good condition under all the dust. I hope the paint is good enough to save, and that you won't mind a few flaws after you buff it out. I love original old bikes that have been well used AND well loved like this one apparently has.

I'd sure like to know the backstory on that PX150E sticker though. Awaiting your findings when you take possession. Also, WHERE are you?
Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:57 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:57 am linkquote


I live in Denmark

More later…





Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:14 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:14 am linkquote
I know you love the purple rivets

I have never seen a battery version of the GL here in Denmark before.

Looks like it lived in Milano before







Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:47 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:47 am linkquote
Oh wow. Look at all that OG goodness.
Fantastic.

It is your scooter to do with what you will and don't let anyone tell you differently!!!! That said ... Please dear god don't paint that!!!!
Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:52 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:52 am linkquote
As someone who paints almost everything I get my hands on, also- please don't paint it!!

Its like it was preserved in a time capsule garage.
Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:22 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:22 am linkquote
Who or what was Luchi, what happened in 1935, and why is it labled as a PX150E ? Curious.
I bet it will be stunning all cleaned up.
Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:13 am

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:13 am linkquote
How to you say "Wasp's Nest" in Italian?
Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:33 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:33 pm linkquote
uh no, no one will be allowed to touch the paint. The plan is to carefully bring it back to its original condition. I hope you guys will join the journey



Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:49 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:49 pm linkquote
The Black paint comes off without too much problems





Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:00 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:00 pm linkquote
Elvis the Basset Hound is not impressed



Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:19 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:19 pm linkquote
How about the motor ? Does it turn over ? Do you think it might run ?
Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:59 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:59 pm linkquote
Moto64 wrote:
How about the motor ? Does it turn over ? Do you think it might run ?
It runs!! A few drops of fuel down the carb and it Will run for a few seconds!!
Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:02 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:02 pm linkquote


Will for sure be followed by along!
(Elvis looks like a character too.)
Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:09 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:09 pm linkquote
I have a feeling that soon Snoopy will ride again



Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:40 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:40 pm linkquote
No worries, he's been riding around for a couple of years now, but looking forward to this obvious upgrade.



Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:42 pm

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Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:42 pm linkquote
Nice scooter. I hope you enjoy your find. Looks like something Ricambi vespa from ebay Denmark would get and part out one piece at a time. Very very original including the accessories.

The GL we got in North America had small differences then the European versions. The horn on north American gl's were slotted but different then other slotted horns and very hard to find. The European horns were the flower type. The legshield center emblem were plastic while the American one were metal. We didn't get a lot of seat options upgrades besides the gs160 seat and later the sprint seat. In the vespa tecnica books they only describe the European GL horn and trim and not the American version.


American GL..with non factory painted legshield letters. But factory horn and legshield middle emblem are different then euros version.

Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:10 am

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Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:10 am linkquote
Elvis is still not impressed - but I am!!!

https://youtube.com/shorts/iKOi4zau90A?feature=share
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:05 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:05 am linkquote
This is driving me crazy. As you can see in the video I had it running ok.

Left it for a few days. Played with a semi stuck clutch and now I can not get it started. Not on carb cleaner or anything. Great spark. Compression feels ok, but I do not have a teser.

I have a feeling that gas/fluid is not comming to the cylinder. Any ideas? What Can I test/try?

Could I have ruined something running it the other day?
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:12 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:12 am linkquote
Is the plug wet ?
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 am linkquote
Is your plug wet or dry? If dry, try squirting a spoonful of gas in the spark plug hole.
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:14 am linkquote
No…
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:16 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:16 am linkquote
Lots of fuel comming from the carb down the crank case but not comming to the cylinder?!
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:19 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:19 am linkquote
Ready to join the Bad Timing Scooter Club?

Seriously. If you have compression, fuel and spark, it should pop at least few turns. Leaves only possibilities of spark timing being off or a popped oil seal on either side of your crank.

Pop off your flywheel and have a look. If it's not that, drop your oil and give it a sniff. If neither of those are off, check your ignition timing with a strobe.
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:20 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:20 am linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
Is your plug wet or dry? If dry, try squirting a spoonful of gas in the spark plug hole.
Still not starting
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:23 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:23 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
Ready to join the Bad Timing Scooter Club?

Seriously. If you have compression, fuel and spark, it should pop at least few turns. Leaves only possibilities of spark timing being off or a popped oil seal on either side of your crank.

Pop off your flywheel and have a look. If it's not that, drop your oil and give it a sniff. If neither of those are off, check your ignition timing with a strobe.
That was what I was thinking

Timing~~ would that have changed over a few days

Seals is more likely, right? But with gas directly in the ploug hole, that should not make a difference?

Clogged exhaust?
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:30 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:30 am linkquote
Fuel from the spark plug hole should make it pop over despite both of the crank seals being off. Leaves in the timing and since it is a points system you should also check them.

Exhaust can be dropped easily to make sure it is not about that. One trick is to gap your spark plug to 0,5mm to surely get a spark under pressure too.
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:38 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:38 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
Fuel from the spark plug hole should make it pop over despite both of the crank seals being off. Leaves in the timing and since it is a points system you should also check them.

Exhaust can be dropped easily to make sure it is not about that. One trick is to gap your spark plug to 0,5mm to surely get a spark under pressure too.
Changed the gap to .5 with no result.

Would the timing have changed from the other day?
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:40 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:40 am linkquote
spray some starter fluid in the carb opening - if it fires you can know you've plugged up your jets from the first running the other day
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:48 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:48 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
spray some starter fluid in the carb opening - if it fires you can know you've plugged up your jets from the first running the other day
It will still not start this way…
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:49 am linkquote
Don't know what could have changed the timing but seems like all other options are been crossed out.
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
Don't know what could have changed the timing but seems like all other options are been crossed out.
You are right

Since I have a nice blue spark, would that not indicate that the points are ok?
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:59 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:59 am linkquote
Should mean yeah, still worth taking a peek.

I remember that I had a spark with these when kicking over but did hardly run at all.


Got them working again by sanding them but now they are gone again. New set of points is waiting to be installed.
Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:02 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:02 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
Should mean yeah, still worth taking a peek.

I remember that I had a spark with these when kicking over but did hardly run at all.


Got them working again by sanding them but now they are gone again. New set of points is waiting to be installed.
Thanks

I will have a look over the weekend
Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:02 am

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Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:02 am linkquote
Since you have ok compression, good spark, And fuel(however you get it to the combustion chamber) I would pop the flywheel off and check the condition of the woodruff key.if that sheered you get an instant timing change. and you can check the seal on that side. I'm looking forward to the old gal run!.
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