P200 ... decisions, decisions
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bodgemaster
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Tue May 04, 2021 9:28 am quote
In a moment of weakness I allowed a crusty, non-running 1979 P200 to follow me home and park itself in my garage.

Now the question is what to do with it.

I’m tempted to make it a runner.

The good: 939 miles on this thing. You read right, nine hundred thirty-nine. Speedo is still connected and works. Appears to have been in an accident early in its life and left to sit in a garage for the next 40 years. Literally untouched. Don’t think it was ever even serviced. Oil, spark plug, tires etc. etc. look new. Every nut and bolt is there. Tank is shiny clean.

The bad: Some dents, surface rust, miscellaneous broken stuff. Couple of busted turn signals, headset is cracked, throttle tube sticky. Frame and fork appear to be straight. Pinhole rust on one floorboard.

The engine is a keeper regardless, but the question is what to do with the rest of the bike. Worth the effort to restore? Just make it a runner? Part it out?

So whaddaya say?


oops, excuse sideways cellphone pic



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Molto Verboso
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Tue May 04, 2021 9:30 am quote
Re: P200 ... decisions, decisions
SoCalGuy wrote:
In a moment of weakness I allowed a crusty, non-running 1979 P200 to follow me home and park itself in my garage.

Now the question is what to do with it.

I’m tempted to make it a runner.

The good: 939 miles on this thing. You read right, nine hundred thirty-nine. Speedo is still connected and works. Appears to have been in an accident early in its life and left to sit in a garage for the next 40 years. Literally untouched. Don’t think it was ever even serviced. Oil, spark plug, tires etc. etc. look new. Every nut and bolt is there. Tank is shiny clean.

The bad: Some dents, surface rust, miscellaneous broken stuff. Couple of busted turn signals, headset is cracked, throttle tube sticky. Frame and fork appear to be straight. Pinhole rust on one floorboard.

The engine is a keeper regardless, but the question is what to do with the rest of the bike. Worth the effort to restore? Just make it a runner? Part it out?

So whaddaya say?
If you're like me and out of room, call it parts and keep the P200 motor.
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Tue May 04, 2021 9:54 am quote
Need more pics to offer an informed opinion.

Nice score either way.
bodgemaster
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Tue May 04, 2021 10:05 am quote
Coming up ...









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Tue May 04, 2021 11:44 am quote
Runner! No way you junk that!

You can just park that Fly 150 outside to make room, right? Or add on to your garage...

Has it got good papers? How much you want, I'd LOVE me a slightly ratty unmolested low mile P200 back home!!!
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Tue May 04, 2021 12:32 pm quote
Cool score!! I always have a special place for the '79 P200; as it was my first vespa. Looks like a decent starter Rat scoot. Love it! If this ends up making its way North to VooDoo; I can possibly lend an assist with the transport and/or temp storage if need be. I'm on the Oregon trail between SoCal & WA

Congrats!
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Tue May 04, 2021 1:12 pm quote
Sweet! Count me in and thank you, guys!!!
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Tue May 04, 2021 1:52 pm quote
Score!

That floor looks ready made for V oodoo magic.

Whether you keep it it, part it or sell it... nice save.
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Tue May 04, 2021 2:03 pm quote
Birdsnest wrote:
Score!

That floor looks ready made for V oodoo magic.

Whether you keep it it, part it or sell it... nice save.
Part it?

What??? traitor
bodgemaster
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Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm quote
LOL... dang, easy there Terry...

Ok so maybe I do need a rat in the herd? This seems like as good a candidate as any. Let the Fly go, make some room... the Holy Floor would give me an opportunity to hone some welding skills... pound out the dents, get it running which shouldn’t take much, keep it as the beater for neighbors to crash. [ref Should’ve known ... ]

“Project 939”. Has a nice sound to it.
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Tue May 04, 2021 2:10 pm quote
Don't part it out unless is an absolute wreck and was totaled in an accident. Not worth restoring in my opinion. The best thing to do is just do the bare necessary maintenance to get her back on the road and running.

I recently painted my P200E, it is a 78' with 6200 miles now, well worth the $700 that cost the painting but my P200E was always running. These scooters have tons of charm just like that, with the rust, with the dust, greasy, dented.

It will break our hearts to see a P200E dismantled and parted out, in my opinion it should only be parted out if everything else is destroyed(badly damage motor, electrical, bent chasis, missing major parts, etc).

In summary, just get the P200E running.
bodgemaster
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Tue May 04, 2021 2:39 pm quote
Agree. Should be able to make it a rider without too much effort.

Project 939 it is!
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Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Project 939 it is!
woot!
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Tue May 04, 2021 4:41 pm quote
SCORE!!!!
bodgemaster
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Tue May 04, 2021 6:04 pm quote
Ok, will be a fun low budget project.

Must ... resist ... urge ... to paint ...

Did I mention it has cowls?





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Tue May 04, 2021 6:13 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Agree. Should be able to make it a rider without too much effort.

Project 939 it is!
So it begins---
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Tue May 04, 2021 6:31 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Ok, will be a fun low budget project.

Must ... resist ... urge ... to paint ...

Did I mention it has cowls?
Saweeetttt find!!! Wicked patina. Get it running like a scalded dog and ride the snot out of it.

No show and all GO!
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Tue May 04, 2021 7:22 pm quote
Hell yeah
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Tue May 04, 2021 7:35 pm quote
I’m Team #939 Runner all the way!!!

Glad you seem to be leaning towards that option. I sensed you were eager for the challenge (it “followed you home”? Uh-huh, okay.)

Usually I’m all for leaving the paint alone and rocking OG + patina at any stage. But in this particular case, I wouldn’t cry if you decided to “touch it up” a bit....

Good luck, Congrats, and can’t wait to see what you do with it!
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Tue May 04, 2021 8:20 pm quote
I’m not sure Mike knows how to not paint a bike....
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Wed May 05, 2021 6:16 am quote
Following along!

Another vote for ride it as is. Floor sucks but you will get practice fixing it whenever you choose to do it! Who knows.. in 10 years people saying p series aren't worth the effort might be saying p series frames are worth the effort! Then you can do it.
bodgemaster
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Wed May 05, 2021 6:41 am quote
lol john: To paraphrase JFK, some people look at rusty beat up scooters and say “why paint?”; I look at them and say “why not”?

Kmo: Appreciate the vote of confidence. I’m going to try to leave this one in its natural state. Think of it as an old farm truck.

I’ll dust off the welder and see what I can do on the floor. If I botch it, a backstop, charlieman with his new-found welding skills has graciously offered to sew up the holes. Thx man!

Meanwhile, tank is out. Wheee-wheew (<— whistle sound). Clean as a whistle.



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Wed May 05, 2021 6:48 am quote
You don't have to suffer looking at a substandard floor! There are many well proven solutions available.

the usual, boring black is ok ...


White


Red


Even metal!


You can see there are many lovely options to make any P series look somewhat more acceptable attractive!
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Wed May 05, 2021 7:27 am quote
Or...
You could always chop the floor for a Flinstones Turbo set up!



Seriously, will be fun to watch what you guys do with the floor.
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Wed May 05, 2021 7:53 am quote
whoa!! nice score MP!! I have boxes of cables and little bobs/bits from mine and other extra parts, I prob have small stuff for you. Just sold 2 boxes of larger P parts that would have been perfect for you.

Are you SURE thats the only one that followed you home recently? I spy with my little eyes some blinkers and yellowish paint, super looking glovebox in the background. that twas not there a couple weeks ago....

time for that larger garage.....
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Wed May 05, 2021 10:04 am quote
yeah what's up with that new mustard color super in the back? that one looks like it belongs in my garage
bodgemaster
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Wed May 05, 2021 10:51 am quote
Sheesh ... nothing gets past you guys!

That little gem ... 3-port US spec Super ... belongs to a friend who scored it a few weeks ago. I’m helping him with some “upgrades”.
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Wed May 05, 2021 7:37 pm quote
It’s perfect! I love it.
bodgemaster
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Sat May 15, 2021 12:19 pm quote
Project 939 officially underway.

Spark? Yep (looks like original plug).

Well what are we waiting for? Let’s get it running!

Quick carb clean, new fuel line, little gas, tap working? check, fresh oil, connect up autolube, gear oil? who knows, worry about that later ...

Drum roll .... kickstart ...

Boom, started right up first kick. Literally. First freaking kick.

(Sorry no video)

Gotta love these old machines.


Lodge?


Petrified fuel line had to be dremeled off

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Sat May 15, 2021 12:36 pm quote
Nice! Where did the name 939 come from?
bodgemaster
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Sat May 15, 2021 12:43 pm quote
The speedo
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Sat May 15, 2021 3:19 pm quote
Doh! It was right there
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Sat May 15, 2021 3:33 pm quote
I just saw this thread, so I'm late to the game, but I'm looking forward to see what you do here.

I'm historically a fan of speedy rats, if only because people are less likely to steal the scooter equivalent of the Chameleon XLE.

It's ironic that Mike is going to do a rat at the same time as I'm actually doing a a restomod. It's like a scooter Freaky Friday around here.
bodgemaster
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Sat May 15, 2021 3:40 pm quote
Ha you nailed it Chandler. Project 939: “They might tow it away but they’ll never steal it”
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Sat May 15, 2021 3:50 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Project 939: “They might tow it away but they’ll never steal it”



If you *really* want to make it theft proof, rebadge it as a Stella.
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