Sun May 30, 2021 6:43 am

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Special 50
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Location: Orange County
 
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Special 50
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Location: Orange County
Sun May 30, 2021 6:43 am linkquote
Hi! I recently bought a 1979 Special 50 and am working on a few things. I have learned about a few different types of fuel tap levers and would like to replace mine with the same one it came with originally. It currently has a beat up USA plastic one but not sure that's original. Is there a way to look up the serial number or anything like that to learn about it's original specs etc.?
Sun May 30, 2021 7:32 am

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66 bluebadge,primavera,2x 74 rally,79 p200e 64 gl 2x 64 vbb 2x ld 57 ld 125
Joined: 08 Dec 2014
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Posts: 40

Sun May 30, 2021 7:32 am linkquote
I'm not 100% positive, but I think the hole in the body will be bigger for the U.S. fuel lever, with a screw hole one either side, and not just a round hole big enough for a metal lever and a grommet. If your profile pic is the scoot in question, then the U.S. lever is original. There is a conversion plate for P series scoots that might work for you, but some/most think they are ugly. Last time I looked U.S. levers were out of production, but people were talking about 3d printing new ones. hope that helps a little.
Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 am

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'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 am linkquote
I know that USA P series largeframes had that plastic geared lever that likes to break if your fuel tap is too stiff, and that one came originally on my '80 50 Special. I got it with the usual solid metal rod and the aforementioned stainless conversion plate(which I prefer to that delicate plastic gizmo, getting more brittle with age).


when I got it


after sorting it out

You can see lots of other smallies to compare here: Smallframe page
Sun May 30, 2021 10:17 am

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Location: Orange County
 
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Sun May 30, 2021 10:17 am linkquote
Thank! Yes it's the one pictured. The plastic one that's in there fits perfectly so if the Euro version fits differently I think that answers the question.

I also have an old VW and they have what's called an "M Plate" that has a number you can look up online to see all kinds of details like the original color, where it was manufactured etc.
Sun May 30, 2021 10:30 am

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Sun May 30, 2021 10:30 am linkquote
Ok, so here's another question or two on the fuel tap. I am thinking of buying this to replace my existing tap. It has the same on/off/res configuration as my existing. http://www.baritaliaclassics.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25_49_64&products_id=1020

However, the add seems to indicate that there might be some other order of on/off/res. I took out the tank yesterday and played with it to understand how it was working. Holding the tap rod, if I turn it to the farthest spot clockwise, that is on, but a quarter turn to counter clockwise is off, and the other two settings don't really make a difference. My questions are:

1. Will the reserve position not allow any flow unless the fuel level is below the top of the fuel tap's "straw"? If so, I suppose that would explain why it didn't matter how far I turned the rod counter clockwise.

2. Are there any fuel tap levers that have the on/off/res items in a different order?

Just wanting to understand it all before I order. Thanks again!
Sun May 30, 2021 3:03 pm

Molto Verboso
GL, PK, PE200 with hack, Sears Rust Badge
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
Posts: 1059
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
Molto Verboso
GL, PK, PE200 with hack, Sears Rust Badge
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
Posts: 1059
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
Sun May 30, 2021 3:03 pm linkquote
The description of the product just says you need to buy the old fuel tap http://www.baritaliaclassics.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25_49_64&products_id=144 and old control rod http://www.baritaliaclassics.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25_49_64&products_id=1022 for it to work like the on/off indicators on the plastic control lever.

You have the control rod and it seems you have the old fuel tap. The newer fuel tap closes to the far right, normal in the middle and reserve far left (while looking at the lever).
Reserve can be on all the time no matter how much gas is in the tank.
Mon May 31, 2021 12:04 am

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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Posts: 9180
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Mon May 31, 2021 12:04 am linkquote
The plastic American market control is dog shit.

Replace it and the fuel tap with standard euro parts. You'll get a new functional fuel tap, proper parts and something that works correctly.

Unless this is a restoration and has to be "correct" there's a absolutely no reason not to convert and make your life easier.

Throw that shit in a bag and shelf it if you want to revert at some point. Better to ride now and not worry about it.
Mon May 31, 2021 2:49 am

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'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Mon May 31, 2021 2:49 am linkquote
^^^ Plus one!!!
My conversion works as it should
and will not fail me, so life is good.
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