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Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:34 am linkquote
Hello. I have a 2019 Primavera 50cc. I have been noticing that itís gotten harder to start and is stalling out occasionally at stop lights. I rode to my local Vespa dealer/shop and the repair guy confirmed it has a carburetor. We set an appointment for the end of June to get it worked on. Is there anything I can do in the meantime, like add anything to the fuel? Please understand I really no nothing about engines. I am ok having it serviced, but am hoping there is something I can do while I wait for service. Thank you.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:32 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:32 am linkquote
Here in Canada we have "Small Engine Tune-Up" fluid from one of our suppliers (Canadian Tire). Each year I use it in everything that has a carburetor to dissolve gum and varnish. It works very well, but if the gas has gone really stale, the carb still needs to be disassembled and cleaned. You probably have an equivalent product there.

Cheers and good luck,
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:55 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:55 am linkquote
Thanks, Bob. I googled your product and came up with this:

Blaster Small Engine Tune-up

Product Overview
Bílaster Small Engine Tune-Up is formulated to assist in the preventative maintenance of all two and four-cycle combustion engines. It dissipates moisture and inhibits rust and frees rings and valves, restoring compression, power and vacuum.
Smoothes engine performance
Removes deposits
For sure starts after seasonal storage
Restores power to all small engines

This sounds similar, yes?

The info doesnít say how much to use per tank so hoping directions are in the label. Itís available at my local hardware store. Thanks a bunch for your help.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:57 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:57 am linkquote
Opinions will be all over the board on what - if any - product to use - assuming they work at all. But! What have you got to lose but a few bucks trying?

Iíve been partial to Techron in the past. You may have to up the dosage and it may take awhile to work its way through a tank of gas in a motor that only sips gas. But you might be pleasantly surprised.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:08 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:08 am linkquote
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Opinions will be all over the board on what - if any - product to use - assuming they work at all. But! What have you got to lose but a few bucks trying?

Iíve been partial to Techron in the past. You may have to up the dosage and it may take awhile to work its way through a tank of gas in a motor that only sips gas. But you might be pleasantly surprised.
Thank you. Iím game to try this type of product as long as itís safe to use. And it would be even better if it solved the issue and I donít have to take it in.
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:15 am linkquote
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Thank you. Iím game to try this type of product as long as itís safe to use. And it would be even better if it solved the issue and I donít have to take it in.
Not sure if youíre mechanically inclined or how many miles are on the bike, but you might try a fresh spark plug as well. The additives wonít harm your motor but they do take time to work and youíll need to ďopen the throttle upĒ to give it the best shot at cleaning anything out.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:27 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:27 am linkquote
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Not sure if youíre mechanically inclined or how many miles are on the bike, but you might try a fresh spark plug as well. The additives wonít harm your motor but they do take time to work and youíll need to ďopen the throttle upĒ to give it the best shot at cleaning anything out.
Not mechanically inclined at all. My husband had suggested something similar. but because I donít understand this I am reluctant to just go by what he said. (I know that probably doesnít sound nice, heís an engineer but attention to detail is not his strong suit. I, on the other hand, follows directions precisely.)íve watched a video on checking the spark plug. Iíll see if thatís in his wheelhouse, or not. My scooter has 1000 miles in it. I had itís official break in checkup around June 2020. I do plan on being a more active rider now that Iím living in an area with better places to ride. Thank you.

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:57 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:57 am linkquote
Athena61 wrote:
Not mechanically inclined at all. My husband had suggested something similar, but because I donít understand this I am reluctant to just go by what he said. (I know that probably doesnít sound nice, heís an engineer but attention to detail is not his strong suit. I, on the other hand, follows directions precisely.) Iíve watched a video on checking the spark plug. Iíll see if thatís in his wheelhouse, or not. My scooter has 1000 miles in it.
Hard to imagine a bad plug at this point in it's life, though anything's possible. I'd certainly give one of the cleaner products as an easy start. Not sure about the 50s, but I've never had a fun day changing plugs on a Vespa.

BTW, we're happy to discuss your marital issues, and someone is on staff all day. You've probably noticed that there's nothing that MVers aren't expert at.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:10 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:10 am linkquote
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Hard to imagine a bad plug at this point in it's life, though anything's possible. I'd certainly give one of the cleaner products as an easy start. Not sure about the 50s, but I've never had a fun day changing plugs on a Vespa.

BTW, we're happy to discuss your marital issues, and someone is on staff all day. You've probably noticed that there's nothing that MVers aren't expert at.
I know you guys are THE most experts on MANY topics. Thatís exactly why I came here to ask my questions.

All great on the marital front.😊 I know attention to detail is not his strong suit, but thankfully itís mine. Now that I want to know everything scooter related Iíve told him thereís a new Sheriff in town 😃. Had a huge long discussion about maintaining proper tire pressure now that I know how important that is.

BTW, I didnít grow up with a dad who did this kind of stuff, nor did my first husband. But not knowing will not save me from headaches, so I really want to know what I should be doing. Thank you Everyone for your help. I know this is a safe place to ask questions even though they might be basic.
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:45 am linkquote
Tune in to Scooterwest and the Robot videos each week. No matter if you donít even own a screwdriver, youíll learn a TON of stuff watching that guy!!
Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:32 am

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:32 am linkquote
Thanks, Retro Scoot. Iíve subscribed to ScooterWest YouTube videos and plan on watching a number of them.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:34 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:34 pm linkquote
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I know this is a safe place to ask questions even though they might be basic.
Indeed. No need to be afraid to ask silly questions....it's been a great place to get help over the years and I owe a good bit of my knowledge to help from the forum. Good bunch.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:44 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:44 pm linkquote
I don't know your model but if it's dying at idle couldn't you just tweak the idle speed up a bit to keep it running? I had to do that on my Vespa. (actually tweak it up, then down then up until I got something that worked when it was cold or warm.)

It's not hard once you find the right little doohickey.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:21 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:21 pm linkquote
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Indeed. No need to be afraid to ask silly questions....it's been a great place to get help over the years and I owe a good bit of my knowledge to help from the forum. Good bunch.
Thanks, Fledermaus
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:24 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:24 pm linkquote
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I don't know your model but if it's dying at idle couldn't you just tweak the idle speed up a bit to keep it running? I had to do that on my Vespa. (actually tweak it up, then down then up until I got something that worked when it was cold or warm.)

It's not hard once you find the right little doohickey.
Thanks, Lomunchi. Itís a 50cc. I was curious about being able to find the screw to adjust the idle. I found a document online so Iíll see if itís in the same place. Iím not sure Iíll have the courage to adjust it, but Iíd feel pretty proud of myself if I gave it a shot

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/830270/Vespa-Lx-50-4t.html?page=42

Edit: speed.WARNINGIDLE SPEED MUST BE ADJUSTED WHEN THE ENGINE IS VERY HOT. BEFORETHIS OPERATION, MAKE SURE THAT THE THROTTLE GRIP HAS THE RECOM-MENDED BACKLASH. IF BACKLASH IN THE THROTTLE CONTROL TRANS-MISSION NEEDS ADJUSTING TAKE YOUR SCOOTER TO A PIAGGIO DEALEROR AUTHORISED SERVICE CENTRE

Well that just intimidated me. Lol.

I did add some Techron carb cleaner to a new tank of gas today. I opened up the throttle as frequently as I could on the drive home and will continue to do so.
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:06 pm linkquote
I believe a 2019 primavera 50 cc is fuel injected Can you take a picture under the pet carrier
Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:14 pm

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:14 pm linkquote
2019 Vespa primavera 50 cc iget 3 valve is fuel injected not carb Make sure battery is fully charged and add a fuel additive (tectron)
Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:56 pm

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:56 pm linkquote
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2019 Vespa primavera 50 cc iget 3 valve is fuel injected not carb Make sure battery is fully charged and add a fuel additive (tectron)
Harry, I thought I had read the same thing, too. But the mechanic looked under the pet carrier and said it was a carb. Iíll take a picture this evening and post it later. Thanks.

Edit. Iíll take a picture of the label of the Techron additive, too.
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:07 pm linkquote
Athena61 wrote:
Hello. I have a 2019 Primavera 50cc. I have been noticing that itís gotten harder to start and is stalling out occasionally at stop lights. I rode to my local Vespa dealer/shop and the repair guy confirmed it has a carburetor. We set an appointment for the end of June to get it worked on. Is there anything I can do in the meantime, like add anything to the fuel? Please understand I really no nothing about engines. I am ok having it serviced, but am hoping there is something I can do while I wait for service. Thank you.
If you use a little bit of throttle when stopped does the scooter do OK? or does it die no matter what you try? Without knowing all the details it sounds like a small idle adjustment might be needed?
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:23 pm linkquote
My wife had a 2019 Vespa primavera 50 cc iget 3 valve that was fuel injected.Check owners manual if you have one ( page30 ) Thanks
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:26 pm linkquote
Also if it is fuel injected I do not think it has a idle adjustment
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:28 pm linkquote
If the lights are flickering when you stop before it dies on you if could be the idle is a bit slow. If your 50 is like my older one you will see this when you take out the pet carrier.




This screw can make the carb run a bit faster at idle (no throttle) which may stop it from dying on you. You can turn it clockwise to increase the speed of the idle. This can't hurt you and is something that I would check if it were me. Good luck.

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:49 pm linkquote
My shop manual shows it is fuel injected ( no carb)
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:13 pm linkquote
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If you use a little bit of throttle when stopped does the scooter do OK? or does it die no matter what you try? Without knowing all the details it sounds like a small idle adjustment might be needed?
It does stay going if I keep the throttle open a tiny bit. It doesnít stall every time Iím stopped but once or twice when out and about (city riding).
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:14 pm linkquote
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I believe a 2019 primavera 50 cc is fuel injected Can you take a picture under the pet carrier
Here is picture of the under side.



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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:16 pm linkquote
And here is a picture of the additive. Iíve gone about 20+ miles since we added it to the gas. Since Iíve only been doing city driving I havenít been able to run it full throttle except when I accelerate after a stop sign or traffic light. When I get up to speed I roll off the throttle.



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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:23 pm linkquote
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My wife had a 2019 Vespa primavera 50 cc iget 3 valve that was fuel injected.Check owners manual if you have one ( page30 ) Thanks
My page 30 only mentions the warning labels. But what about this?



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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:25 pm linkquote
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If the lights are flickering when you stop before it dies on you if could be the idle is a bit slow. If your 50 is like my older one you will see this when you take out the pet carrier.
I just posted a picture. Is it the same?



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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:29 pm linkquote
It is definitely carb. But it does not look like a 2019
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:32 pm linkquote
2019 did not have a fuel tap.also check the clear vacuum hose at the front part of the engine for a crack .this looks like a 2014
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:37 pm linkquote
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I just posted a picture. Is it the same?
That is a carburetor so you can try and adjust the screw that I pointed to. It looks like yours is adjusted all the way out by the looks of things so there is a lot of increased idle you can dial in. See if you can tell if there is a small spring around that screw. It is used to keep the screw where it is set.

This is just where I would start, there is a lot more that can be checked but you said you are not used to working on engines so maybe we get lucky this time!
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:37 pm

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:37 pm linkquote
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2019 did not have a fuel tap.also check the clear vacuum hose at the front part of the engine for a crack .this looks like a 2014
This is all weird. Somewhere I saw a code list posted that told how to decipher make/model/ info from the vin number. Let me see what I can find.

ZAPC536B6K5xxxxxx

I canít find the post that identified what each letter, number represents but it did show it to be a 2019.

I found it. Position 10 is a ďKĒ which is 2019.

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:48 pm linkquote
This picture also shows a choke heater and a cold weather heater that a 2019 does not have. a vin number will help.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:50 pm

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:50 pm linkquote
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This picture also shows a choke heater and a cold weather heater that a 2019 does not have. a vin number will help.
Harry, we posted at the same time. I posted ahead of you with the VIN number
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:04 pm linkquote
This shows a 2006
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:09 pm linkquote
No I am wrong
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:11 pm linkquote
Harry brenner wrote:
This shows a 2006
This is from the wiki article. I also have a certificate from the dealer showing the year. Iíll look for that and post it.



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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:25 pm linkquote
Harry brenner wrote:
No I am wrong
No worries. 😊

I added the Techron and my husband said he would try adjusting the idle. Hoping the two actions resolve the issue. It might be a coincidence but since adding the Techron it hasnít stalled out at a stoplight since.
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:30 pm linkquote
Thatís great.Good luck
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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:32 pm linkquote
Harry brenner wrote:
Thatís great.Good luck
Thanks for all your help, Harry, and everyone else that contributed.

Cheers.
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