Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:44 am

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Sei Giorni
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Sei Giorni
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:44 am linkquote
Hi I'm a new member here and owner of a new 2020 sei giorni. Ive owned a handful of other scooters but this is my first vespa. I also currently own a Lance 200 cali classic.
Ive got 600 miles on the sei giorni and just completed its first service. Absolutely love it but I would like to have the speed limiter moved up to a true 85mph like the aftermarket kubler speed ring on the rear wheel allows it to on the other 300 models, but the website I was going to order it from says it will not work on the sei giorni because it does not have asr. Is this true? Have any other sei giorni owners installed it? If so, is there another way to trick the speedo to read accurate so I can gain my 85 mph top speed?
Any information is greatly appreciated and I look forward to posting here. Thanks!
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:01 am

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
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Posts: 1354
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:01 am linkquote
Hi Longshot. Welcome to MV!
I'm sorry I can't answer your question but someone will be along soon who can. In the meantime, post a few pics of your scooter(s). We love pics around here.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:42 am

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Sei Giorni
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Posts: 9
Location: StL
 
Member
Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:42 am linkquote
Hi guzzi gal! Assuming you ride guzzis, I also have a guzzi (mgx21).
I'm actually enroute right now to the small bore rally in the smokies so I'm just passing the time (riding with some friends trailering our small bikes, will be riding a Honda monkey at the rally), so the only pictures on my phone at the moment is a picture in the garage right after getting it home and a more recent after changing a couple things.
I bought it with the rear top box and rack dealer installed. I took the top box off except for rides I actually need it. Ive installed the 2up seat from scooterwest and removed the reflectors and installed the color matched plugs in the holes.





Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:45 am

Member
Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
 
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Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:45 am linkquote
And here is a picture of my guzzi





Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:53 am

Member
Sei Giorni
Joined: 06 Jun 2021
Posts: 9
Location: StL
 
Member
Sei Giorni
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Posts: 9
Location: StL
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:53 am linkquote
And since I'm bored on this 8 hour trip here's another one of me at the tail of the dragon on my bmw c650gt scooter I recently sold. I really regret selling it. I loved that thing



Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:39 pm

Ossessionato
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Posts: 2121
Location: So Cal
 
Ossessionato
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Location: So Cal
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:39 pm linkquote
Longshot wrote:
... I took the top box off except for rides I actually need it ... and removed the reflectors and installed the color matched plugs in the holes.
Looks great!
Welcome to Modern Vespa!
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:22 pm

Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 259
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
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Posts: 259
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:22 pm linkquote
SIP's site says *it is* compat with the sel giorni

and I can't for the life of me think why it wouldn't be?
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:35 pm

Addicted
2018 GTS 300 Touring Rosso Vignola, 2020 BV 350 Matte Green, 1956 VL3
Joined: 02 Aug 2012
Posts: 937
Location: Herriman, Utah
 
Addicted
2018 GTS 300 Touring Rosso Vignola, 2020 BV 350 Matte Green, 1956 VL3
Joined: 02 Aug 2012
Posts: 937
Location: Herriman, Utah
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:35 pm linkquote
Welcome from The Salt Lake Valley in Utah. Wow, beautiful bikes!
Let me know when you come up with an answer to your questions.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:16 am

Member
Sei Giorni
Joined: 06 Jun 2021
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Location: StL
 
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Sei Giorni
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Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:16 am linkquote
Thanks guys!
I just looked up the tone ring on sips site and indeed it doesn't say anything about not working with the sei giorni or gtv vespas....but what has me confused is how come on scooterwest's website it specifically says it wont (I will cut and paste);

Get 8% more speed out of your new 2020 HPE GTS Engine. (This is for HPE models only, but NOT GTV Sei Giorni)

THIS WILL NOT WORK ON 2019 AND OLDER AND ALL YEARS OF GTV SEI GIORNI, YOU CAN INSTALL IT, BUT IT WON'T IMPROVE YOUR TOP SPEED SINCE THE GTV DOES NOT HAVE ASR.
 

I figured with them being a vespa dealer and having so many tutorial videos on YouTube they probably know what their talking about. So I'm hoping maybe somebody has actually installed one and can confirm. I used the search function and came across a member who said they bought one for their sei giorni but hadn't installed it.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:34 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
Joined: 21 May 2017
Posts: 8203
Location: Toronto
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
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Posts: 8203
Location: Toronto
Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:34 am linkquote
Longshot wrote:
And since I'm bored on this 8 hour trip here's another one of me at the tail of the dragon on my bmw c650gt scooter I recently sold. I really regret selling it. I loved that thing
Me too! I'll keep the K1600GT Sport for a while but see a C650GT in my future. It really was a fun ride.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:52 am

Member
Sei Giorni
Joined: 06 Jun 2021
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Location: StL
 
Member
Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:52 am linkquote
Harbinger wrote:
Me too! I'll keep the K1600GT Sport for a while but see a C650GT in my future. It really was a fun ride.
I bought mine new and only had about 8000 miles on it when I sold it and I only sold it because I really want a new goldwing dct, so I needed to generate some funds because those goldwings are so dang expensive...unfortunately bmw doesn't bring the c650gt to the states anymore so I can't buy another unless I buy used
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:08 am

Ossessionato
1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2013 Peugeot Metropolis RS
Joined: 06 May 2011
Posts: 3563
Location: Staffordshire England
 
Ossessionato
1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2013 Peugeot Metropolis RS
Joined: 06 May 2011
Posts: 3563
Location: Staffordshire England
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:08 am linkquote
Longshot wrote:
And since I'm bored on this 8 hour trip here's another one of me at the tail of the dragon on my bmw c650gt scooter I recently sold. I really regret selling it. I loved that thing
just a gnats more to get some sparks off that stand

love that 2nd pic of the GTV. The back rack looks better clipped into the down position IMO (I did used to lose the black plastic clip now and again on my GTS though!)
Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:08 am

Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 259
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 259
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:08 am linkquote
Longshot wrote:
Thanks guys!
I just looked up the tone ring on sips site and indeed it doesn't say anything about not working with the sei giorni or gtv vespas....but what has me confused is how come on scooterwest's website it specifically says it wont (I will cut and paste);

Get 8% more speed out of your new 2020 HPE GTS Engine. (This is for HPE models only, but NOT GTV Sei Giorni)

THIS WILL NOT WORK ON 2019 AND OLDER AND ALL YEARS OF GTV SEI GIORNI, YOU CAN INSTALL IT, BUT IT WON'T IMPROVE YOUR TOP SPEED SINCE THE GTV DOES NOT HAVE ASR.
 

I figured with them being a vespa dealer and having so many tutorial videos on YouTube they probably know what their talking about. So I'm hoping maybe somebody has actually installed one and can confirm. I used the search function and came across a member who said they bought one for their sei giorni but hadn't installed it.
Maybe this is referring to the older GTV models that are not HPE. When scooterwest wrote "all years of gtv" maybe the current gtv which is hpe hadn't yet been released.

Hmmm
Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:45 am

Member
Sei Giorni
Joined: 20 Mar 2021
Posts: 19
Location: Jersey Shore
 
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Sei Giorni
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Location: Jersey Shore
Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:45 am linkquote
Longshot wrote:
Hi guzzi gal! Assuming you ride guzzis, I also have a guzzi (mgx21).
I'm actually enroute right now to the small bore rally in the smokies so I'm just passing the time (riding with some friends trailering our small bikes, will be riding a Honda monkey at the rally), so the only pictures on my phone at the moment is a picture in the garage right after getting it home and a more recent after changing a couple things.
I bought it with the rear top box and rack dealer installed. I took the top box off except for rides I actually need it. Ive installed the 2up seat from scooterwest and removed the reflectors and installed the color matched plugs in the holes.
Great looking Sei Giorni. I just got one myself. Loving it!
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:01 pm

Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 259
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Hooked
Supertech 2019 (EURO3/APAC)
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:01 pm linkquote
an owner of a 2020 Vespa Sei Giorni in another thread:
web-tech wrote:
Well I got it to make my speed-o correct, not go faster.
https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2430520#2430520


makes me wonder: have you hit the existing limit in the ecu? or just that you need more power or a tail wind or a downhill or 13inch wheels or maybe even change parts of the transmission such as belt,rollers,final gears, etc ...

Plus my understanding is the ECU has two limits and will hold you back when *either* is reached; a mph/kmh limit (calc'd based on rear wheel) and a rpm limit. the kubler won't help with a rpm limiter in the ecu


Personally I'm not interested in the kubler ring as the limit is fast enough for me. I don't want to die today
I have reached the ecu limit just to test it out and have gone over it on a downhill, but this is not what I normally want to do.
Having a correct speedo would be nice but since the odometer is apparently then wrong - I won't bother.

Whereas more power to accelerate faster ... that would be nice.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:41 am

Member
Sei Giorni
Joined: 06 Jun 2021
Posts: 9
Location: StL
 
Member
Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:41 am linkquote
fleece wrote:
just a gnats more to get some sparks off that stand

love that 2nd pic of the GTV. The back rack looks better clipped into the down position IMO (I did used to lose the black plastic clip now and again on my GTS though!)
Thanks! I actually just took it off and put the stock bar back since its only 4 bolts and I can quickly swap out if I want the top box.
The bmw had decent clearance for the twistys, for me at least. I usually try not to be too lazy and hang off of it
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:53 am

Member
Sei Giorni
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Posts: 9
Location: StL
 
Member
Sei Giorni
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Location: StL
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:53 am linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
an owner of a 2020 Vespa Sei Giorni in another thread:



https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2430520#2430520


makes me wonder: have you hit the existing limit in the ecu? or just that you need more power or a tail wind or a downhill or 13inch wheels or maybe even change parts of the transmission such as belt,rollers,final gears, etc ...

Plus my understanding is the ECU has two limits and will hold you back when *either* is reached; a mph/kmh limit (calc'd based on rear wheel) and a rpm limit. the kubler won't help with a rpm limiter in the ecu


Personally I'm not interested in the kubler ring as the limit is fast enough for me. I don't want to die today
I have reached the ecu limit just to test it out and have gone over it on a downhill, but this is not what I normally want to do.
Having a correct speedo would be nice but since the odometer is apparently then wrong - I won't bother.

Whereas more power to accelerate faster ... that would be nice.
Well bummer. Looks like I would have to manipulate the rev input to the ecm or change out rollers or maybe bigger back tire.
I dont want to fool with my warranty so I may look into a 13" wheel. Im in no hurry, got lots of reading and research to do I guess. Thanks for all the help guys! And I'm certainly open to any additional input on the matter
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