Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:45 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:45 pm linkquote
It's now been over 12 years since we rolled out the first version of the Karma system (see: [New Feature] Instant Karma is gonna get you!). It's evolved a bit since then, but it is still essentially the same system. And I'm not going to make any sweeping changes to it today, either.

Overall, I'm fairly satisfied with the system, and I think it has achieved its primary goal: reward the people who make helpful posts, and diminish the impact of the people who make obnoxious posts. There are certainly people who don't like the system, but I think it's more clear than ever that the most vocal critics of the karma system are antisocial fuckwits. Good riddance.

The concept of "liking" content on the internet has also become quite a bit more mainstream than it was 12 years ago, too. My original positioning of a thumbs-up as being for helpful posts now seems antiquated. On social media, people "like" things for all kinds of reasons. Helpful is but a single reason. The fact that it is the reason I personally care about most (as a forum admin) is lost in the noise.

With the advent of notifications at Modern Vespa, I think we have closed the feedback loop. You will now get immediate feedback when someone gives you a thumbs-up, and I think this has already started having an impact. So I'd like to move away from my antiquated notions of the thumbs-up being for helpful posts. It's now for whatever you want it to be. Helpful? Funny? You just like that member? No problem. Some of you were probably already using it that way.

With that in mind, I've removed the limits on how many thumbs-ups you can give any single user. There's still a limit on how many thumbs-ups you can give across all users per day, but this number is fairly large and I don't expect any of you to hit it. (Please don't try. Please?)

That said, abuse of the karma system is still something I'm worried about. Over the years, it's become pretty clear to me that the biggest issue has been over-use of thumbs-down, not thumbs-up. This usually takes the form of a petty vendetta, where one user really doesn't like another user, and goes out of their way to give every single one of their posts a thumbs-down. You might be surprised to learn that the largest single-user-vs-single-user thumbs-down counts are some of the most well-known names at Modern Vespa -- people who are otherwise well-liked. And often, it's mutual, with a similar number of negative ratings going the other direction.

Please don't do that. It's petty and pathetic.

I could simply remove the thumbs down altogether, which would be in line with virtually every social media platform on the planet. And I've considered it. I think it is a useful tool, though. I think words should have consequences, and the karma system has undoubtedly resulted in better behavior overall at Modern Vespa.

Instead, I am going to simply reduce the potential for abuse. From here on out, you can have ONE thumbs down per day. Period. This applies to moderators as well. ONE is all you get. I would like to ask that you use it thoughtfully and carefully, and only when it is really warranted.

Now go forth and post!
Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:53 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:53 pm linkquote
Whoís got one thumb and ready to down vote?

This guy!!

All kidding aside, well thought out plan of action.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:32 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:32 pm linkquote
Just curious, is it per day or per 24hrs?
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:36 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:36 pm linkquote
I dig it.
I'm hip to what you're laying down.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:13 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:13 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
Just curious, is it per day or per 24hrs?
Itís 24 hours.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:39 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:39 pm linkquote
Thanks for explaining the motivation and the new limits. Sounds reasonable to me.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:49 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:49 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
Itís 24 hours.
Znomit - damn, there goes you change to do some time zone trickery...
Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:29 pm

Ossessionato
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:29 pm linkquote
Are people notified of a thumbs down same as thumbs up?
Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:30 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:30 pm linkquote
No offense Jess but I never use the thumb system (and you can check) because I consider it useless in both a positive and a negative sense. Things are said in the face and not hiding behind a thumb, excuse my frankness.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:06 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:06 pm linkquote
I didn't like the idea when the Karma system was introduced. Still not a huge fan but I do use it.
I've used the thumbs up on posts I've found helpful rather than as something (someone) I like, thumbs down when the poster is being a dick.
Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:11 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:11 pm linkquote
fleece wrote:
Are people notified of a thumbs down same as thumbs up?
I donít know. Are they?

If I give someone a thumbs up does their notification stay if I change it to a thumbs down?


Will fix this once you respond. Iím not a total asshole.



Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:28 pm

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Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:28 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
I donít know. Are they?

If I give someone a thumbs up does their notification stay if I change it to a thumbs down?


Will fix this once you respond. Iím not a total asshole.
And the answer is NO



Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:42 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:42 am linkquote
I think I can count on one (maybe 2) hand how many thumbs down I have given over the years. It is a good tool though and effective usually. Abusing it is very not cool but that's just people for you.

Anyway I'm happy with what as been done with the site for the most part. Just remember that better is the enemy of good enough.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:57 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:57 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
No offense Jess but I never use the thumb system (and you can check) because I consider it useless in both a positive and a negative sense. Things are said in the face and not hiding behind a thumb, excuse my frankness.
even though you don't 'thumbs up' other people must have given you a lot of 'thumbs up' for you to have 6 baubles and be number 34 in the MV all time most popular list..
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:35 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:35 am linkquote
All sounds pretty reasonable.

I try to give a thumb's up on posts that seem particularly helpful, even if the info isn't useful for me personally. And like ks7877, thumb's down is generally reserved for real dicks.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:59 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:59 am linkquote
fleece wrote:
even though you don't 'thumbs up' other people must have given you a lot of 'thumbs up' for you to have 6 baubles and be number 34 in the MV all time most popular list..
See, the system has its pros and cons ...
When Jess opened the subject he knew that there could also be criticism and not just approval; not for this I do not accept the system, I knew when I used the forum that you had to accept the rules and it suits me otherwise I would not be here.
But I also know that not everything that is said, done or otherwise published can please everyone and if someone puts their thumbs down it must be accepted, indeed ... I accept a reasoned denial more than an approval.
We would not be on the democratic side of the world otherwise ...
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 am linkquote
When I became a member of The Forum there was a lot of trepidation. It was all my fault I was being trollish and basically somewhat of a jackass. If it wasn't for the karma system I would not have pondered on my reprehensible behavior. Afterwards it came in the form of an apology but I have made a few people angry like Witch and Scootchef. Ammends have been made but the damage was done. I hope that everybody that have hurt have it in their hearts to forgive. me.

Thanks Jess for the heads up.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:10 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:10 am linkquote
fleece wrote:
Are people notified of a thumbs down same as thumbs up?
Nope. Thumbs down are still anonymous.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:11 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:11 am linkquote
ks7877 wrote:
I've used the thumbs up on posts I've found helpful rather than as something (someone) I like, thumbs down when the poster is being a dick.
That's perfectly reasonable.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:17 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:17 am linkquote
Witch wrote:
I try to give a thumb's up on posts that seem particularly helpful, even if the info isn't useful for me personally. And like ks7877, thumb's down is generally reserved for real dicks.
As it should be.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:37 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:37 am linkquote
Addendum: when I was building the notification system, I initially considered notifying people (still anonymously) that they had received a thumbs down. I decided against it, and I think it's fair to explain my reasoning.

I really don't want people to sweat an isolated thumbs down. In any crowd of people, there will always be a few rotten apples, and MV is no exception. There are a handful of users who use thumbs down almost exclusively. I feel this is a misuse of the system -- the vast majority of posts are either neutral or positive. People whose bias skews negative (and this is displayed on their profile, even) have a particularly warped view of the world.

This is not anyone else's problem, and I don't want people to modify their behavior because they get a single thumbs down. This is also the reason why exact thumbs up / thumbs down counts are not shown on posts, and why nothing is shown until a post gets a few ratings: I don't want people to freak out about it. In the long run, the isolated negative ratings from the antisocial forum users are lost in the noise. As it should be. It's just noise.

If a post gets more than a few negative ratings, though, then that's probably an indication that there's a problem. In that case, we do mark the post as negative. If a post gets a lot of negative votes, then we eventually disemvowel it. This serves two purposes: it shields the rest of the forum from what was likely an offensive statement, and it tends to limit further negative ratings from the population at large. I want people who make offensive statements to feel the consequences, but I don't believe a single offense is necessarily worthy of putting someone's account so far into negative karma territory that they can no longer post.

If someone continues to be offensive, though, well... karma will catch up with them. It always does.

I may yet add a notification if a post goes significantly negative. But it will definitely not identify the people who rated it.

Last edited by jess on Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:44 am; edited 1 time in total
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:39 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:39 am linkquote
Have you changed anything about disenvowelment or autoban?

Disenvowelment is rare nowadays and I can't remember the last time I saw someone autobaned.

I assume that's because there aren't as many people posting these days to get enough thumbs down to activate those.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:46 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:46 am linkquote
vintage red matthew wrote:
Have you changed anything about disenvowelment or autoban?
Nope. They're still the same.
vintage red matthew wrote:
Disenvowelment is rare nowadays and I can't remember the last time I saw someone autobaned.
There was a disemvowelling a month or two ago. I can't remember who, though.
vintage red matthew wrote:
I assume that's because there aren't as many people posting these days to get enough thumbs down to activate those.
That's part of it. The other part is that people have mostly learned that being a dick has consequences. Which was the whole point.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:43 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:43 am linkquote
Max6200 wrote:
When I became a member of The Forum there was a lot of trepidation. It was all my fault I was being trollish and basically somewhat of a jackass. If it wasn't for the karma system I would not have pondered on my reprehensible behavior. Afterwards it came in the form of an apology but I have made a few people angry like Witch and Scootchef. Ammends have been made but the damage was done. I hope that everybody that have hurt have it in their hearts to forgive. me.

Thanks Jess for the heads up.
I also put you among my friends on Facebook.

For Jess: how nice it would be to have a dinner all together from life and get to know each other and give each other a hand and a hug, in topic like this we also feel a certain commonality that (perhaps) Covid has taken away from us.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:55 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:55 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
For Jess: how nice it would be to have a dinner all together from life and get to know each other and give each other a hand and a hug, in topic like this we also feel a certain commonality that (perhaps) Covid has taken away from us.
That's one reason why events like Scooter Cannonball and the numerous tours of Europe (that Al used to put together) were so compelling: a chance to break bread with so many members you would otherwise never meet.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:09 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:09 am linkquote
I understand your change and it makes sense. I am, however, glad to hear that you did not eliminate the "thumbs down". Being a dick should have consequences in this world. Otherwise, you just have the silly Facebook sort of thing where people try to acquire "likes" and "friends" in a High School popularity contest. That would be the worst outcome of all IMO.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:17 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:17 am linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
Otherwise, you just have the silly Facebook sort of thing where people try to acquire "likes" and "friends" in a High School popularity contest. That would be the worst outcome of all IMO.
I understand why Facebook does it the way they do it -- it's an endorphin feedback loop that keeps users hooked, keeps them online for longer, and keeps them coming back. Not having a mechanism for thumbs-down eliminates what is surely the most common vector for abuse, but it also means that there's no disincentive to being a dick on Facebook. Or Twitter. Or anywhere else in the social media world, for that matter. And as a result, you get a different kind of abuse, one where people can harass other people with impunity.

So, yeah. I think I'm happy with the balance that MV has.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:22 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:22 am linkquote
jess wrote:
This usually takes the form of a petty vendetta, where one user really doesn't like another user, and goes out of their way to give every single one of their posts a thumbs-down.
Seriously? Damn. I guess some people never grow up in all the wrong ways.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:29 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:29 am linkquote
I think the system works pretty well, even if not fully as intended. It's kind of nice to see who gave a thumbs up...random pats on the back are nice, but nicer when you can see who gave it. As for thumbs down..yes, making them known might stir some pettiness....maybe tempting to know, but kind of tends to suppress the urge to remark on someone's dickishness. Maybe not the best, but it fills some primal urge to pile on if someone's being a complete ass about something...
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:41 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:41 am linkquote
I've up-thumbed EVERYONE who commented on this post! Just because I could.

It's out of my system now.

I'm a serial thumbs-upper. Every new member gets one from me to start them off right. I don't believe I've given a thumbs down. Dickish comments aren't worth any feedback and without it they are self-limiting.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:45 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:45 am linkquote
Guzzi Gal wrote:
Dickish comments aren't worth any feedback and without it they are self-limiting.
Usually...
BBS was a case study against that hypothesis though. (Be glad you missed that shit show.)
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:58 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:58 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Be glad you missed that shit show.
Modern Vespa exists because of that shit show. No, seriously. It was the ScooterBBS that made me say "How hard could it be to put up a forum?"

Well, now I know.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:18 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:18 am linkquote
We are all better for it.
(Well... except for you... when you have been up 3 straight days coding, living off a steady diet of coffee, red wine, and matzo balls.)
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:34 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:34 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
Modern Vespa exists because of that shit show. No, seriously. It was the ScooterBBS that made me say "How hard could it be to put up a forum?"

Well, now I know.
I must say it's been fun to login here lately and every day see new changes, ideas, and improvements. I dont know where you suddenly found so much free time and why you're spending it so freely on MV... but it's very refreshing and I thank you!
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:37 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:37 pm linkquote
berto wrote:
I must say it's been fun to login here lately and every day see new changes, ideas, and improvements. I dont know where you suddenly found so much free time and why you're spending it so freely on MV... but it's very refreshing and I thank you!
People don't realize how much time is involved in keeping a website up and running. I have to add my thanks to Jess, too. So many of us would be completely lost without this forum.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:43 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:43 pm linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
People don't realize how much time is involved in keeping a website up and running. I have to add my thanks to Jess, too. So many of us would be completely lost without this forum.
Logged in for the express purpose of giving that one ^^ a Thumbs UP
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:13 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:13 pm linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Usually...
BBS was a case study against that hypothesis though. (Be glad you missed that shit show.)
*sighs heavily*

ahhh... the bbs...

long live the bbs; death to the bbs.

to everyone reading, be glad you landed here. in the before, before times... well, it was bad.

it's well lighted, comfy and you don't have to pack a katana.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:27 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:27 pm linkquote
Shamefully I am a BBS child. I've come a long way.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:53 pm

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3187
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3187
Location: Staten Island, NY
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:53 pm linkquote
I've got plenty of battle scars from the early days of the internet on telnet, irc servers and bbs'. Contributed and received. Just not this bbs you guys speak of. We've come a long way on the internet, but some haven't. Funny though cause it seems the current ones going through growing pains with internet socialization are the members of society who ignored computers for the first few decades as it didn't relate to their lives, and now have found sudden usage of it.

Result.. they don't understand catfishing, nor that they are being catfished!

You guys have provided an excellent destination free from the chaos of elsewhere. This is pretty much the only place i still go to online to interact with people i don't know personally.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:08 pm

Ossessionato
Looking for the next one, probably electric
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Posts: 3430
Location: Babcock Ranch, Florida
 
Ossessionato
Looking for the next one, probably electric
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Posts: 3430
Location: Babcock Ranch, Florida
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:08 pm linkquote
I read the BBS some late in the game. I didnít understand a lot of it, and was offended by most of it, and when I saw the reference to MV I went there and just stayed.

I have a confession, I sold my last scooter a couple of years ago. I am really on the search for an electric with promise. The Vespa is way to expensive. But I keep on sticking around here because of the community and people. I miss Al and Judy. I wonder about BillDog, and Trep. And I enjoy seeing new names come along. Iíve tried the other social media and hated them all. This is my online community.

Thanks Jess for keeping it alive, and now for giving it dusting off and a coat of paint.
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