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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:19 am linkquote
A man in Las Vegas was joyriding in a Lamborghini going 141MPH in a 45MPH zone, drunk out of his mind, when he struck someone on a scooter from behind and, obviously, killed the poor man on the scooter. The killer was released on $75K bail "on the condition he doesn’t drive and submits to alcohol monitoring". He didn't have a valid license in the first place so what moronic judge would believe this killer won't drive while out on bail? IMO killers like this are extreme dangers to society and his bail should be set so high that he would remain in jail until trial.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:26 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:26 am linkquote
In Italy:

Road murder or road piracy is a crime provided for by Italian criminal law.

The law with which the crime was introduced into Italian law was promulgated in 2016 following a "popular initiative" dating back to 2010 which proposed the institution of road murder, a dedicated figure of crime that would impose intermediate penalties between voluntary and negligent homicide, with arrest in the act of crime and a lifetime ban from driving vehicles (so-called "life imprisonment of the driving license").
Minimal penalties in the most frequent case of serious (from one year and 6 months to 3 years) or very serious (from 2 to 4 years) negligent injuries, caused by a blood alcohol level of 0.8 g / liter or by dangerous maneuvers (speeding , driving in the wrong direction, passing through red at intersections, reversing on intersections, curves and bumps, some types of overtaking): a suspended sentence may be granted for prison sentences of less than 2 years a further reduction of one third is due to those who access the shortened procedure, and finally art. 131-bis of the Criminal Code (non-punishment and dismissal due to tenuousness of the fact) entering the malicious injuries in the list of crimes for which this type of benefit is admissible.
New investigation tools: compulsory arrest in the act of crime for the most serious cases (intoxication, drugs, failure to help); the statute of limitations for the offense has been doubled; the time of preliminary investigations can be extended only once by the public prosecutor; compulsory appraisals for the collection of biological DNA samples. Prison is excluded for those who help the victim immediately after the accident, and makes themselves available to the police.
Aggravating circumstances provided for in the event of the driver's escape (the penalty increases from one to two thirds, and cannot be less than 5 years), driving without a license or without insurance, for drivers of heavy vehicles (trucks and buses).
Drastic increase in penalties in murder cases: the penalty that was already provided in the base case remains, from 2 to 7 years, when death was caused by minor violations of the highway code (the bills all provided for a minimum penalty from 6 to 8 years, and maximum from 12 to 16); for driving under the influence of severe intoxication, with a BAC over 1.5 grams per liter (above 2.5 the risk of ethyl coma is likely), or under the influence of drugs, the penalty varies from 8 to 12 years in prison . The same penalty is subject to those who have an alcohol level between 0.8 g / L and 1.5 g / L, when the driver is a newly licensed driver and for those who professionally carry out the transport of people (more than 8 excluded the driver) or things on heavy vehicles; from 5 to 10 years if the alcohol level exceeds 0.8 g / L and, together with the previous condition, if the accident is caused by the dangerous conduct mentioned above. The penalty increases by half if more than one person dies, up to the age of 18;
The penalty is reduced by up to half when the street murder, even if caused by the aforementioned imprudent conduct, is not the exclusive consequence of the guilty's action (or omission).
License revocation: the new license is revoked and cannot be obtained before 15 years (homicide) or 5 years (injuries). In case of escape or in the other more serious cases, at least 30 years must elapse from the revocation.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:28 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:28 am linkquote
Words actually fail me.

somerset
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:35 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:35 am linkquote
That does suck. Reminds me of the Affluenza kid that got off light because he was poorly but richly raised. IIRC he just got into trouble ....again.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:16 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:16 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
In Italy:
Road murder or road piracy is a crime provided for by Italian criminal law.
Sadly Nevada doesn't take vehicular homicide very seriously. You have to have at least three DUIs under your belt in order for them to really give a damn that you killed someone. This killer could receive as little as 2 years in prison while his victim remains dead forever. It's terrible.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:17 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:17 am linkquote
somerset wrote:
Words actually fail me.

somerset
I know. That poor man. Just riding along on his scooter and that's that.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:19 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:19 am linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
That does suck. Reminds me of the Affluenza kid that got off light because he was poorly but richly raised. IIRC he just got into trouble ....again.
Yeah, that piece of crap was arrested in 2020 for probation violation and released the next day.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:33 am

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:33 am linkquote
I can't remember the last time I rode any scooter/MC between 10PM to 5AM. Specifically to reduce the chances of sharing the road with drunks.

What time of the day was it?
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:16 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:16 pm linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
I can't remember the last time I rode any scooter/MC between 10PM to 5AM. Specifically to reduce the chances of sharing the road with drunks.

What time of the day was it?
23:50.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:50 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:50 pm linkquote
Nyc also tends to favor not prosecuting drivers who kill pedestrians or bikers. It's dumbfounding.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:21 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:21 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
Nyc also tends to favor not prosecuting drivers who kill pedestrians or bikers. It's dumbfounding.
I can see not prosecuting someone who caused a genuine accident (i.e. brake failure or that damned sun angle in the fall) but a drunk or someone texting or watching video on their phone when they are supposed to be watching the road? I have no sympathy for them and can't understand why they aren't prosecuted just like every other murderer. Sure, it's not premeditated 1st degree but it is a reckless disregard for others that should earn the perp a one way ticket to Shawshank.
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:23 pm

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Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:23 pm linkquote
The Phoenix, AZ area is suffering a continuing spate of wrong-way drivers on the local freeways. It's hard to intentionally go down an off ramp, and the proliferation of Wrong Way signs increases daily. How can you miss this?



Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:34 am

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:34 am linkquote
Syd wrote:
The Phoenix, AZ area is suffering a continuing spate of wrong-way drivers on the local freeways. It's hard to intentionally go down an off ramp, and the proliferation of Wrong Way signs increases daily. How can you miss this?
Given how extremely dangerous that is they need to install those road spikes that swing down into the pavement when someone is exiting the freeway and puncture the crap out of the tires of whatever idiot tries to enter the freeway via the off ramp.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:48 am

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:48 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
I can't remember the last time I rode any scooter/MC between 10PM to 5AM. Specifically to reduce the chances of sharing the road with drunks.

What time of the day was it?
Unfortunately nighttime hours are the most comfortable time to ride in Vegas.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:13 am

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:13 am linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
A man in Las Vegas was joyriding in a Lamborghini going 141MPH in a 45MPH zone, drunk out of his mind, when he struck someone on a scooter from behind and, obviously, killed the poor man on the scooter. The killer was released on $75K bail "on the condition he doesn’t drive and submits to alcohol monitoring". He didn't have a valid license in the first place so what moronic judge would believe this killer won't drive while out on bail? IMO killers like this are extreme dangers to society and his bail should be set so high that he would remain in jail until trial.
Do you have a link for the news story? I'm having a hard time believing the guy got off like you said. What he did was too egregious.
Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:32 am

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:32 am linkquote
booger wrote:
Do you have a link for the news story? I'm having a hard time believing the guy got off like you said. What he did was too egregious.
He didn't get off. What teed me off was the low bail (he did kill someone) on the "promise" that he wouldn't drive again when it's pretty obvious that he doesn't give a rip about following the law.

He'll still be going on trial for his crime but I don't have much faith in so-called justice. Our laws on drunk driving are just far too lax for that to happen.

Here's a link (and while I shouldn't judge a book by it's mug shot this guy looks like an arrogant ass sneering at the idea that he was arrested in the first place):

https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/crime/las-vegas-police-lamborghini-was-going-141-mph-just-before-fatal-dui-crash-with-moped/article_82f25c4e-c947-11eb-81ff-eff155a939ba.html
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:48 pm

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Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:48 pm linkquote
Locally they dismissed many motor vehicle homicide charges for years and years, whether the victim was in another car, a pedestrian, or on a two-wheeler, unless you were under the influence. Even the typical left-turn SMIDSY resulted in no charges. More recently they've started taking it more seriously.

This guy clearly should have gone to jail, as this should be considered criminal negligence.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:27 am

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Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:27 am linkquote
Jimding wrote:
Locally they dismissed many motor vehicle homicide charges for years and years, whether the victim was in another car, a pedestrian, or on a two-wheeler, unless you were under the influence. Even the typical left-turn SMIDSY resulted in no charges. More recently they've started taking it more seriously.

This guy clearly should have gone to jail, as this should be considered criminal negligence.
He probably WILL go to jail (for a little while anyway). He hasn't gone to trial yet. What pissed me off was the relatively light bail on the "promise" that the piece of crap won't drive while on bail. What idiot judge trusts the word of a guy who was driving 141 MPH unlicensed and drunk out of his mind?
Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:31 pm

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Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:31 pm linkquote
A quite a few years back, read a story about the local county courthouse. The judge got smart, and after suspending someone's license, had a sheriff trail them out to the parking lot. The vast majority jumped in their cars with the intent to drive off. So they got another citation, and had their cars towed. Which should be the standard for any 'driving while suspended' traffic stop. Borrowed the car from a friend, you say? Well, if you are going to enable their violation, you get to pay the penalty, too. Also, had the sheriffs patrol the parking around the courthouse, and had unregistered cars towed. Probably wouldn't fly these days, as the results would be politically incorrect.
Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:57 pm

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Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:57 pm linkquote
That bail amount is ridiculous. A friend was killed by a drunk driver who hit his car so hard he went airborne for over 60 feet and hit a block wall. Another woman who's car was also hit was hospitalized for almost two weeks as a result. His bail was $250,000 so he has sitting in jail as he only drove a pick up truck. Someone driving a Lamborghini especially without a valid license should have gotten bail set at multiple times that figure.
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Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 pm linkquote
cdwise wrote:
That bail amount is ridiculous. A friend was killed by a drunk driver who hit his car so hard he went airborne for over 60 feet and hit a block wall. Another woman who's car was also hit was hospitalized for almost two weeks as a result. His bail was $250,000 so he has sitting in jail as he only drove a pick up truck. Someone driving a Lamborghini especially without a valid license should have gotten bail set at multiple times that figure.
Right? That's what made me so mad (well, after the fact that some poor man was killed). And a "promise" not to drive while out on bail? I know we need an independent judiciary but some judges need to have their asses thrown right off the bench.
Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:10 am

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Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:10 am linkquote
incredibly angering indeed. maybe the guy is some big mob bosses son? or similar not readily understood circumstances.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:52 pm

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Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:52 pm linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
Given how extremely dangerous that is they need to install those road spikes that swing down into the pavement when someone is exiting the freeway and puncture the crap out of the tires of whatever idiot tries to enter the freeway via the off ramp.
I believed they considered it. Locals did, for sure. But it hasn't gotten there yet. Copious signage is what we got, but if you don't look up you won't see them anyway.
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:56 pm

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Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:56 pm linkquote
It would seem that too many have lost sight of the fact that possession of a drivers' license is a privilege, not a right.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:40 am

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:40 am linkquote
Syd wrote:
I believed they considered it. Locals did, for sure. But it hasn't gotten there yet. Copious signage is what we got, but if you don't look up you won't see them anyway.
Well, signs are cheap and won't cut into the skim too much.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:10 am

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:10 am linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
Well, signs are cheap and won't cut into the skim too much.
https://www.radiolimbara.it/cartelli-antiproiettile/



ANAS will install bulletproof road signs in Sardinia.

The article says:

"CAGLIARI. The Solinas junta does not miss a beat and, after having solved the problem of the Sardinian provinces, puts an end to a centuries-old social scourge of the island: the road signs punctured to bulletts (secular only because the guns were not born with Christ, otherwise the problem would be much older ed).

It is known that Sardinia is a hospitable land, so hospitable, said Laura Laccabadora in the golden years, that "we also find road signs written in Braille for the blind", that is istampados a fusiladas (drilled with guns ed). Every fifty years, this strange custom creates not a few expenses for ANAS and the region (this is the speed with which the signs are replaced and the roads in Sardinia are repaired) and it was necessary to intervene in a radical and decisive manner. In fact, it rarely happens that the shots miss the signs by mistakenly injuring some unfortunate boar and most of the shots reach the mark, ruining the signs.

Although it is true that in derelict Sardinia children and young people still play on the streets, it is also true that people start to get drunk from the age of eleven and, progressively, to shoot guns of questionable origin, given away by some overly cultured relative. The first target shooting challenges would arise precisely in the throes of alcohol fumes. In short, these more banal challenges would lead, with the arrival of puberty, to knee-jerk rivals in love, to hunt neighboring cats, then crows and neighbors

The training for these feats is done, as you have well understood, by shooting on road signs, preferably from rival countries: the Solinas junta would therefore have reached an agreement with ANAS (National Autonomous Roads Company) for the installation, in the next days (perhaps), of brand new bulletproof signs; although someone would have pointed out that these new signs are not up to standard, as the lead of the shot could be deflected and cause damage to things (such as the shooter), people (who perhaps had secluded near the adjacent branches to fulfill urgent needs physiological) or animals (such as wild boars that pass nearby).

Will the problem finally be solved? We hope so."
Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:54 am

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:54 am linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
Given how extremely dangerous that is they need to install those road spikes that swing down into the pavement when someone is exiting the freeway and puncture the crap out of the tires of whatever idiot tries to enter the freeway via the off ramp.
The idea appeals. Need to figure out how to keep from accidentally ripping the tires of cars stopped on the offramp that roll backwards though.

Here's what I'm talking about (think, unskilled driver with a stick shift or inattentive driver with an automatic transmission):
Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:11 am

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:11 am linkquote
Personally, I am certain that the whole concept of 'money bail' is immoral, ineffective and massively unfairly condemns the weakest in society to a life of misery.

Is that considered political in the USA? If so I'll remove that Very Strongly Held viewpoint.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:16 am

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:16 am linkquote
The villain could be condemned to ride only scooters up to 125cc for life.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:12 pm

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:12 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
Personally, I am certain that the whole concept of 'money bail' is immoral, ineffective and massively unfairly condemns the weakest in society to a life of misery.

Is that considered political in the USA? If so I'll remove that Very Strongly Held viewpoint.
EVERYTHING is this country is political! Anywho, I mostly agree about money bail. I have no problem with it when it comes to misdemeanors but felonies? If you're charged with a felony, particularly one that caused physical harm to another person, you shouldn't be let out on bail. The reason I say "mostly" is the slow pace of our so-called judicial system. It's brutally unfair to the innocent to have to sit in jail for a year or more waiting for their trial (and we put innocent people on trial all the time). It's a no win situation.
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:16 pm linkquote
Attila wrote:
The villain could be condemned to ride only scooters up to 125cc for life.
As long as they can get that scooter into a very small prison cell.
Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:53 pm

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:53 pm linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
EVERYTHING is this country is political! Anywho, I mostly agree about money bail. I have no problem with it when it comes to misdemeanors but felonies? If you're charged with a felony, particularly one that caused physical harm to another person, you shouldn't be let out on bail. The reason I say "mostly" is the slow pace of our so-called judicial system. It's brutally unfair to the innocent to have to sit in jail for a year or more waiting for their trial (and we put innocent people on trial all the time). It's a no win situation.
No bail for being accused of a crime?
What about innocent until proven guilty?
Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:10 pm

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:10 pm linkquote
It should be up to the judge - if it's obvious the accused is guilty, or they pose a real threat of absconding - keep them locked up. Otherwise release on bail (not money bail), maybe with conditions. Works elsewhere quite well.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:46 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:46 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
Personally, I am certain that the whole concept of 'money bail' is immoral, ineffective and massively unfairly condemns the weakest in society to a life of misery.

Is that considered political in the USA? If so I'll remove that Very Strongly Held viewpoint.
As your post most definitely is political, and will surely invite more political discussion, it's clearly not allowed on MV. I've seen you censure others for less.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 am linkquote
ScooterWoman9988 wrote:
As long as they can get that scooter into a very small prison cell.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:19 am

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:19 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
It should be up to the judge - if it's obvious the accused is guilty, or they pose a real threat of absconding - keep them locked up. Otherwise release on bail (not money bail), maybe with conditions. Works elsewhere quite well.
Well played.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 am linkquote
Jet Peddler wrote:
As your post most definitely is political, and will surely invite more political discussion, it's clearly not allowed on MV. I've seen you censure others for less.
Everything is technically political to some degree - MV doesn't allow partisan (Rep/Dem) political statements. I am unconvinced money bail is such a partisan issue in the US. It's a business issue.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:04 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:04 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
Everything is technically political to some degree - MV doesn't allow partisan (Rep/Dem) political statements. I am unconvinced money bail is such a partisan issue in the US. It's a business issue.
Personally, I agree with you on the bail issue, but...

To quote the forum rules posted by Jess in the sticky posting guidelines thread:

"- Racism, hate speech, politics, religion and personal attacks are prohibited."

No Republican/Democrat qualifier is mentioned. If it were, citizens of every country aside from the US would have a free pass here, not to mention Green Party and Libertarians here in the US.

Banning political opinions, discussion and debate of potentially divisive topics has what's kept MV a relatively happy place for years. Hoping we all work to keep it that way.

Thanks.
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:37 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:37 am linkquote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Personally, I agree with you on the bail issue, but...

To quote the forum rules posted by Jess in the sticky posting guidelines thread:

"- Racism, hate speech, politics, religion and personal attacks are prohibited."

No Republican/Democrat qualifier is mentioned. If it were, citizens of every country aside from the US would have a free pass here, not to mention Green Party and Libertarians here in the US.
Rep/Dem was an example, sorry if I didn't make that clear. Please tell me why you think bail is a Political (capitalisation intended) issue, as in Party Politics, as in who has the power to govern.
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Banning political opinions, discussion and debate of potentially divisive topics has what's kept MV a relatively happy place for years. Hoping we all work to keep it that way.

Thanks.
Totally agreed! Is bail a 'divisive issue'? Apart from the POV of the bail bond industry...
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 am

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 am linkquote
The prohibition on political discussion is specifically about partisan politics. It doesn't matter what the parties involved are. But if it's not a partisan issue, then it's probably not prohibited by the rules regarding politics.

What we're really trying to avoid is discussions that are highly divisive. Religion is (often) divisive, as is politics.

Money bail and criminal reform, IMHO, don't rise to the level of being divisive. Not yet, anyway.
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