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charlieman22 wrote:
Seriously good outcome - though if totally honest - this flat is my least favorite feature of Vespas after 1961. Just kills me that they added that rather than keeping it round.
Your repair however, is excellent.
Very nice job.


Bajaj kept the round tail with the later style Sprint body otherwise. The American import ones had the italian CEV lights too.
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hjo wrote:
That's really helpful!

mine's not quite right. But I think is maybe close enough.

That's really interesting. In other photos I saw, there was similar. There's a slight crease on the bead on the left side, but not the right. Must have been the way they were pressed.

Your cowls meet perfectly at the bottom edge, too. But mine wasn't like that even before. The tail is a bit lower.

The cowls seem to fit so different, but they are original.
Hard to tell with rubber trim in place kind of masking juntion.
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hjo wrote:


Bajaj kept the round tail with the later style Sprint body otherwise. The American import ones had the italian CEV lights too.
Waiting to see if another one shows up in my area in decent shape. I like those round tailS and tractor lights.
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Bajaj kept the round tail with the later style Sprint body otherwise. The American import ones had the italian CEV lights too.
Handy data point for bodgespotting there, too.
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I'd rock one of those Bajaj's in a heartbeat.
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(To note- Motovespa also kept the round tails going through the 70's)
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interesting.
Agreed - the Bajaj has a nice looking tail.
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I think they must have saved a bunch of money by not having to provide a plate mount. They did it before they squared off the lines on the body. VBA ?
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(To note- Motovespa also kept the round tails going through the 70's)
for us in the USA, though, Bajaj are relatively common compared to Motovespa. Those UK guys find those things all the time. but yes, point taken!
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I think they must have saved a bunch of money by not having to provide a plate mount. They did it before they squared off the lines on the body. VBA ?
Whatever they saved on the plate mount they must've spent on the humongous glove box. It's the size of a freaking closet. My favorite Bajaj feature.
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Are these right?

I haven't removed the old ones yet, but looks like the top race fits inside the tube, and the bottom one fits outside it?

Thanks for all the help on the wiring! I feel pretty confident. Only problem is I probably won't be able to find the wires in strange colors like purple/gray stripe.

But the connectors and wires look like they're fairly easy to replicate in the original spec.
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charlieman22 wrote:
Seriously good outcome - though if totally honest - this flat is my least favorite feature of Vespas after 1961. Just kills me that they added that rather than keeping it round.
Your repair however, is excellent.
Very nice job.
Agreed. They came up with a solution that didn't have a problem if you ask me.
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Agreed. They came up with a solution that didn't have a problem if you ask me.
I'm happy it's square. That round tail would be really hard to fabricate!
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I'm happy it's square. That round tail would be really hard to fabricate!
That's a valid point. I can't weld (yet) so that one doesn't bother me. That roundness though… perfection.
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Here's another puzzling one.

I got this 3m seam sealer. It's supposedly the top quality.

But it's an industrial product, and had no instructions. Does it just go in the regular caulk gun? It has a metal can opener at the bottom, and metal top.
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Here's another puzzling one.

I got this 3m seam sealer. It's supposedly the top quality.

But it's an industrial product, and had no instructions. Does it just go in the regular caulk gun? It has a metal can opener at the bottom, and metal top.
thats the goods! Poke out the metal top seal, install plastic applicator; rip the metal can bottom off slap it in the caulk gun and get to caulking
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Thanks! I was hoping.

This seemed like the best stuff. It's supposed to last forever.
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Thanks! I was hoping.

This seemed like the best stuff. It's supposed to last forever.
I used the same stuff several times. Dries firm with a little flex. If you want a super clean application, use masking tape on either side of the seam.
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I used the same stuff several times. Dries firm with a little flex. If you want a super clean application, use masking tape on either side of the seam.
Apparently the ultimate seam sealer is a 2k type that uses a gun that holds 2 cartridges and used a special mixing tip.

I have never used it and probably never will. I have regular auto body seam sealer that has held up for decades in my bus.
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The original stuff was like rubber cement or something.

And they only sealed the area inside the tank, I think.
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The original stuff was like rubber cement or something.

And they only sealed the area inside the tank, I think.
It was pretty tough though…
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Lots of random things. Wanting to get this done!!

I found a wiring diagram for a 1974 American market Rally. It's from Scooterhelp, but for some reason is not published there.

Anyone familiar?

There was also a 1973, which looks similar. These were on a blog page, and show up in MV threads.

The wiring doesn't look *too* hard, with the barrel clips and crimper. And then all these little parts are easy to find.

I'll try making one!
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Looks like the Scooterhelp one is redrawing this one.
Looks like the Scooterhelp one is redrawing this one.
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I don't understand why diagrams are so complicated. How about "Blue wire goes from stator ro headlight tang at the top" I always struggle with em
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I don't understand why diagrams are so complicated. How about "Blue wire goes from stator ro headlight tang at the top" I always struggle with em
They make it look scary.

But half the wires on there are the stator and Femsa, and that's all done already.
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This thing cleaned up. Pretty well.

I'd be hesitant to rechrome it, bc the original chrome is so good. But there are spots where it's eaten away. The only really bad parts are on one post and a spot on the underside.
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for me that looks perfect, it shows that it is old and at the same well cared for. All new chrome on an old bike to me always feels a bit cheap...
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ry the ole wet crinkled tin foil treatment on her.
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dsnyder586 wrote:
ry the ole wet crinkled tin foil treatment on her.
I'll try that! Thanks!
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This was a nightmare.
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The fork stop on this side was totally blown out. Musk have been a hard hit. I think the fork was replaced, and the front fender definitely was. But sometime pre-1985, and was painted professionally to match.
The fork stop on this side was totally blown out. Musk have been a hard hit. I think the fork was replaced, and the front fender definitely was. But sometime pre-1985, and was painted professionally to match.
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I tried this method, with a few shapes. Did not work.
I tried this method, with a few shapes. Did not work.
This thing could do some damage.
This thing could do some damage.
I ended up adding metal to the stop. This seemed the only way. I can adjust with more metal and grinding with the mini belt sander. It's not pretty, but will have the correct fork stop.
I ended up adding metal to the stop. This seemed the only way. I can adjust with more metal and grinding with the mini belt sander. It's not pretty, but will have the correct fork stop.
Dropped the frame back off at the blaster, for a light touch up. Except for fine tuning the fork stop, it's all done! I think? :)
Dropped the frame back off at the blaster, for a light touch up. Except for fine tuning the fork stop, it's all done! I think? :)
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Nice one! Way to use those welding skills.

Your bbq rack cleaned up nicely. I like to have old stuff show a little wear. The chrome door handles on my bus have a little pitting, but otherwise look good. Repros have terrible chrome and don't work nearly as well as the originals.
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The quality of the chrome on those Vespa of America accessories was so spectacular.

Not too bad! It's like subtle patina. Like something you might do to make something look a liitle aged,
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Need to get these rechromed.

Is there a good place to mail them? It's so hard to know of a chrome shop is good.
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The repro ones drive me crazy. They're close, but the letterforms are just slightly off.

These are likely hand drawn letters, and the repro ones use a computer font.
The repro ones drive me crazy. They're close, but the letterforms are just slightly off. These are likely hand drawn letters, and the repro ones use a computer font.
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I don't think they've ever been chromed. I'd use enamel paint or something similar for the black part and polish the letters / border. Even the ones sold by Piaggio look like the repro ones. Here's the ones I got in 2015 directly from Piaggio…
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I am pretty sure those are polished alloy and not plated.
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Only the originals with the "R" mark will do if you're a hyper-purist.
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They definitely have some kind of plating or coating. You can see where it's worn off.

I tried polishing, and it took more off.

Might be that American ones were different. The R was a US-only thing.
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I would paint the black part a flat black, the clear coat the whole thing. You could use a brush or mask the letters. You could also just put them on as-is.
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Have you tired Bar Italia for a NOS (or close) VESPA plate? I might have a rally 200 one somewhere but I would repaint the black part and reuse.
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Looks like clear coat over the silver to me.

Use a paint stripper to see it it removes it.
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