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More seat things.
Use the original slot head screws. They may look funky now, but later on you will regret tossing them and using the Chinese made hardware store junk. Believe it not, but there are people (like me) who scour eBay looking for the exact original cadmium nuts, bolts, screws, and even washers. Feel fortunate that you already have them.
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Are the ends of that bar crossing left to right on seat going to poke a hole in seat cover? Looks like pointed ends are going to poke through cover when pulled tight.
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Are the ends of that bar crossing left to right on seat going to poke a hole in seat cover? Looks like pointed ends are going to poke through cover when pulled tight.
You're right. This can't be it.

Ah., I have another seat I can check.
ok. looks like it goes to a different set of springs.
ok. looks like it goes to a different set of springs.
There are two other bars that spread out the springs. I think I have these.
There are two other bars that spread out the springs. I think I have these.
I can use these clips of the springs as the staples.
I can use these clips of the springs as the staples.
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I know this bus guy who has a pristine original engine compartment. No zip ties or hardware store fixed. Everything in there is stamped with the VW part number and absolutely correct as it was when the dead Krauts placed it there with their sacred hands. I appreciate his trip, but can't live up to this standard myself.
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Use the original slot head screws. They may look funky now, but later on you will regret tossing them and using the Chinese made hardware store junk. Believe it not, but there are people (like me) who scour eBay looking for the exact original cadmium nuts, bolts, screws, and even washers. Feel fortunate that you already have them.
I'll try to clean them up. I can see the utility of the flat head, and the length is perfect. The ones I got were 5mm longer, and that makes a big difference.
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you are a man possessed, and frankly, I am 100% here for it.

love the work.
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you are a man possessed, and frankly, I am 100% here for it.

love the work.
It's torture.

But al least almost done. The bike will be back from paint next week, so hoping reassembly is fast.
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you are a man possessed, and frankly, I am 100% here for it.

love the work.
And that's why it will turn out better than any pro resto. That's the kind of love that you can never pay someone enough to give.
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The perils of seat.
Got the right feet. The ones from SIP were too tall, but Scooterwest had these.
Got the right feet. The ones from SIP were too tall, but Scooterwest had these.
ok. Springs looks right
ok. Springs looks right
More or less centered
More or less centered
I cannibalized these from my other Rally seat
I cannibalized these from my other Rally seat
Brace bars in place. These hold the seat springs out, bc the foam wraps around
Brace bars in place. These hold the seat springs out, bc the foam wraps around
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Pieces of the springs work as the staple things.
Pieces of the springs work as the staple things.
This mat thing is kind of narrow
This mat thing is kind of narrow
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I attached the cover, but just with the clips. It's tight. Going to see if it takes the shape better after a day or two. 

I wonder isf I have too much padding. It seems ok, but maybe will settle in to the shape
I attached the cover, but just with the clips. It's tight. Going to see if it takes the shape better after a day or two. I wonder isf I have too much padding. It seems ok, but maybe will settle in to the shape
This looks weird. But not sure why.
This looks weird. But not sure why.
a little lopsided. But also needs to pull down a bit. I don't know how much tension it should have
a little lopsided. But also needs to pull down a bit. I don't know how much tension it should have
Love the stamp on the back.
Love the stamp on the back.
Is that puffier than a Rally seat should be? 

The other seats have molded foam, so the shape is more understandable.
Is that puffier than a Rally seat should be? The other seats have molded foam, so the shape is more understandable.
I am confused by the button thing. I thought it's supposed to be a rivet, but it's like 1 inch deep. There's no hole for it to go through the latch.
I am confused by the button thing. I thought it's supposed to be a rivet, but it's like 1 inch deep. There's no hole for it to go through the latch.
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Great work Hjo. Attention to detail above and beyond.
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don't install the rivet. 74 Rally didn't have it.
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don't install the rivet. 74 Rally didn't have it.
Thank you so much! That makes it easier!

Leaving it overnight. it seems to have molded better. I can attach the bottom now.

On the original seats, they used an adhesive. I've never done this when replacing covers. Is it necessary?
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The top layer of padding moved back a bit. You can see it. :(
The top layer of padding moved back a bit. You can see it. :(
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re-stacking the foam to put the softest on top will give the smoothest look, not sure it makes any difference in comfort.

I would not bother with adhesive, if things move you can always glue it later.
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Some progress.

It looks gorgeous. I love it.

It's a little orange peel-y, but the paint shop said that's the character of the single stage paint. I could polish it out, but I think I will keep. It's probably closer to original.

The color is more ivory than it was, but I think bc it was so sun bleached.
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The areas I welded look pretty good.
The areas I welded look pretty good.
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Bit orange peely here, but maybe perfect.
Bit orange peely here, but maybe perfect.
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The tail came out so good. That's the part I had to fabricate.
The tail came out so good. That's the part I had to fabricate.
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Wow! That looks fantastic. Your weld and fab work came out great, because you can't see it.
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I color sanded the living heck out of mine a few times... single stage.

But you wont even notice (and neither will anyone else) after it is all together.

Can always color sand later
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Congrats!

Lovely.
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Congrats!

Lovely.
Thank you so much for the paint! It's so nice.

The photos don't really capture it, but I guess that's how white paint is. The color and gloss is perfect. I'll try to capture some that catch the reflectiveness.

So excited to be at the reassembly point!
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Wow looks great well deserved with ocd prep. Looking forward to to assembly it's so satisfying.
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Also, to echo everyone else- fantastic work. Really.
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looks good! now the hard part starts!
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looks good! now the hard part starts!
I'm hoping it's easy!

The only hard part left is the wiring. I have to build a harness from scratch. But I have the old one to use as a template, and found all the parts.

The engine and fork are done. And I have most of the parts, but will probably run into lots of small ones I need to order and wait for.

A couple more shots in lower light. It captures the reflectiveness and texture better.

The texture is something I think I'll keep. The paint shop really loved it. They said that two stage paint comes out perfectly smooth, and called this single stage "character." It's thick enough to polish, but actually seems fine.
The reflectiveness is more noticeable here.
The reflectiveness is more noticeable here.
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They painted the inside!
They painted the inside!
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That paint looks pretty darn glossy to me. I'd just run with it. Maybe give it a coat of polish before you assemble, but that's it.

The hard part is getting all the little bits n' pieces right, plus trying not to scratch anything in the process. All the hard work so far is paying off, though. It's gonna be gorgeous once you get it finished.
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That paint looks pretty darn glossy to me. I'd just run with it. Maybe give it a coat of polish before you assemble, but that's it.

The hard part is getting all the little bits n' pieces right, plus trying not to scratch anything in the process. All the hard work so far is paying off, though. It's gonna be gorgeous once you get it finished.
Ya, this. Lots of tape, cardboard anything to keep things safe. My P and My SS have the scars to prove I didn't...
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Love the white! It's an asshole color though if you want to use the scoot. Every little speck of dirt and grime is almost like highlighted on it

Good side is that fact it forces you to wash the scoot often
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The paint does look good. I love the look of single stage paint on a vintage ride. I have always used it on my bus. I'm sure factory paint had more peel. Just a little looks right.

It's going to be fun putting it back together…everything clean and new…every new piece making it pop a little more.

Getting a project to the stage you're at is huge. So easy to stall out in the prep stage with everything in bits.
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So...fair warning... you will chip paint at some point. It's OK. Grieve for a minute, use your best string of expletives, and then move on. It is the way of restos.

(Also... having some touch up paint handy helps. )
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Love the white! It's an asshole color though if you want to use the scoot. Every little speck of dirt and grime is almost like highlighted on it

Good side is that fact it forces you to wash the scoot often
I always found the opposite to be true? Black and Navy always seemed dirtier and/or harder to keep clean. White always seemed to look better longer after a wash. (Exhaust soot at the tail being the only exception.)
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So...fair warning... you will chip paint at some point. It's OK. Grieve for a minute, use your best string of expletives, and then move on. It is the way of restos.

(Also... having some touch up paint handy helps. )
It's true. I did this when I clamped the camera to my VBB's legshield, despite putting protection on the clamp. I'll fix it at some point and after a little color sanding it'll be good-as-new, but it still sucks.

Side note: I'm still not sure why the paint was that soft after three months. I got something wrong in the mix, I guess.
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loooks amazing can't wait to see it come together
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the fun part.
Do these rubber parts look right? I bought a couple of styles, but these fit the best.
Do these rubber parts look right? I bought a couple of styles, but these fit the best.
There are lots of little spots like this where the paint is a little rough, or there are slight runs. But I guess it's all learning experience. It was so hard to find a shop to even paint it. And it's overall really nice.
There are lots of little spots like this where the paint is a little rough, or there are slight runs. But I guess it's all learning experience. It was so hard to find a shop to even paint it. And it's overall really nice.
I haven't gotten the bottom race in yet. It's much more difficult.
I haven't gotten the bottom race in yet. It's much more difficult.
This is huge. These things fit right in. I had to recreate the holes after replacing the metal, and really worried they wouldn't work.
This is huge. These things fit right in. I had to recreate the holes after replacing the metal, and really worried they wouldn't work.
Cowl fits in peg.
Cowl fits in peg.
This thing cleaned up really nice. It looked bad, but using the drill as a lathe with some scotch brite and polish made it all glossy again.

This is right where the welding seam is, and it's really not noticeable.
This thing cleaned up really nice. It looked bad, but using the drill as a lathe with some scotch brite and polish made it all glossy again. This is right where the welding seam is, and it's really not noticeable.
Having a new ignition switch is so dope. Keys and all.
Having a new ignition switch is so dope. Keys and all.
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I need the rally version of this thing. It's more rounded.
I need the rally version of this thing. It's more rounded.
Black dots.
Black dots.
This was really gross, but cleaned up.
This was really gross, but cleaned up.
Love the irridescent plating
Love the irridescent plating
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the bottom bolt on the regulator also has a rubber lined metal clamp that holds the wires going to the battery and flasher.
This shot is so helpful.

Looking for the screws. It's a different regulator than mine, though. Interesting. This one is also a 1974.
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the regulator in my picture is the Vespatronic (at the top) with a 3D printed cover to make it look more stock.
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the regulator in my picture is the Vespatronic (at the top) with a 3D printed cover to make it look more stock.
It looks original!

Is that a closed cell battery?

I'm lookign for an LED flasher. These 6v parts are hard to find. There are flashers, but they don't look like the original ones.
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Cleaning little parts.
This looks sad, but probably best to use as is. It's rare to even have this.
This looks sad, but probably best to use as is. It's rare to even have this.
These were really weathered. They clean up. Kind of have a patina. :)
These were really weathered. They clean up. Kind of have a patina. :)
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Very slowly and methodically.

Any experience with those Clauss Studios center mats? I honestly struggled with it, and gave up for the day.
I love stuff like these Pascoli screws. Perfect.
I love stuff like these Pascoli screws. Perfect.
First sad thing. The paint on the end of the brake bar kind of chipped. It's stlll so soft.
First sad thing. The paint on the end of the brake bar kind of chipped. It's stlll so soft.
This plate is like the Picture of Dorian Gray. The one part that looks like the whole bike did.
This plate is like the Picture of Dorian Gray. The one part that looks like the whole bike did.
Is this right? Might be backwards.
Is this right? Might be backwards.
A Piaggio-stamped pod.
A Piaggio-stamped pod.
This. I could not figure out.

I got the Clauss Studios mat, but it is slightly too small, and this very springy rubber. I attached one side, but the other is too short.
This. I could not figure out. I got the Clauss Studios mat, but it is slightly too small, and this very springy rubber. I attached one side, but the other is too short.
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Nieman keys match the nieman stamp on the lock.
Nieman keys match the nieman stamp on the lock.
So amazing that this work is not noticeable.

I thought I would obsess about the seam, but it is very subtle.
So amazing that this work is not noticeable. I thought I would obsess about the seam, but it is very subtle.
It's almost completely invisible. The seam part on the replacement was a little wider, but it blends, and the other parts cover a lot of it.
It's almost completely invisible. The seam part on the replacement was a little wider, but it blends, and the other parts cover a lot of it.
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I find the center mat often has to be pulled into place. I coat it with grip glue and let it get tacky. then place it and put the rails and screws on, not tight, it will be pulling on the loops in the mat. then work pulling it to one side and tight the screw some, then the other side...
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Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Location: San Francisco, CA
 
Molto Verboso
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Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
Joined: UTC
Posts: 1847
Location: San Francisco, CA
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oopsclunkthud wrote:
I find the center mat often has to be pulled into place. I coat it with grip glue and let it get tacky. then place it and put the rails and screws on, not tight, it will be pulling on the loops in the mat. then work pulling it to one side and tight the screw some, then the other side...
I'll try.

These always seemed to fit, but parts these days.

Does a Rally have these things under the screws on the side of the fender? Is there anything like this?

Think the fender might just bolt on.
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