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I've run the clutch on the right sometimes, but I think stock is on the left. Taking a look at my GS and from a flashlight between the headset and frame on my Rally:
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I adhere to the same map of shift shift clutch because that's how I've always seen them. on drop headsets or some other such nonsense I'll run the clutch from the RH side.
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Thanks for the diagram!
I need to move things. I put the main harness and throttle cable on the other side of the lock. I wonder if the harness is ok. it's not going to be easy to change that. And the clutch on the wrong side. The choke has an old cable end stuck in it. Is there a trick to that? ![]() ![]() These cables are really nice ![]() Saved this brass thing. ![]() The silver and white look really nice ![]() ![]() Cables and wires ![]() The bbq rack seems to work. It's so clunky. I like the flat ones more than the elevated ones, but this is the style Rallys had. |
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IMHO a Rally looks great with a Madrid rack…
Although I don't know if it would work with the US taillight… |
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SaFiS wrote: IMHO a Rally looks great with a Madrid rack… Although I don't know if it would work with the US taillight… On the other rally I have, I think I'll use the euro taillight and bar end indicators. This one seemed appropriate to do all us spec, bc it had all the parts, and they are so rare. ![]() The later style bbq rack was simpler, and looks nicer. |
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More!
![]() Really help to have this old headset!, that someone just cut everything ![]() Ok this is right. The turn signals go on the left side too ![]() Found an led flasher that mounts like the old one. ![]() Fork! ![]() Everything shiny and new ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Starting to look like a bike. It's so tiny! ![]() The throttle goes in front of the harness, and so little space that it only works that way.
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Taking shape
![]() I did this so long ago! ![]() ![]() ![]() Two wheels. and the wire lengths are perfect. ![]() ![]()
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You continue to do great work. Keep it up. You're in the home stretch
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Looking great!!!
And very sorry for the bad 411 on the the throttle cable routing. Mine on the SS must have been wrong. 😬 |
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I doubt I've ever done it right.
I think on the PX, the openings are bigger though. Those American Rally headsets cram so much into a tiny space, and the openings are so small. |
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hjo wrote: I doubt I've ever done it right. I think on the PX, the openings are bigger though. Those American Rally headsets cram so much into a tiny space, and the openings are so small.
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![]() Daylight ![]() ![]() The taillight is supposed to have flag connectors, but these require adifferen crimp tool ![]() Crunch ![]() These fit though ![]() Taillight ![]() ![]() Not sure what to do here ![]() I think this is how the harness works? With the rectifier wires folded back? |
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Yellow, speedo cable. Red, brake cable (comes out from the end of the fork tube)…
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SaFiS wrote: Yellow, speedo cable. Red, brake cable (comes out from the end of the fork tube)… |
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Clock the screws on the fender, I normally go horizontal for lower drag.
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oopsclunkthud wrote: Clock the screws on the fender, I normally go horizontal for lower drag. |
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Figured out the wiring on the battery side. It's so hacky.
They had to add all these things like turn signals and a key switch, so they just have multiple color wires and splitters at the same terminals. Almost there. But I know where everything goes, thanks to photos from a friend with a 1974. Hopefully the rectifier works. I know the femsa box does. Why do so many people convert to other electronic ignition? Is the femsa bad? I had the stator rebuilt by Scooterwest, so hopefully with all the electrical refreshed and LED lights, it works. ![]() ![]() The paint is so lovely ![]()
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hjo wrote: Why do so many people convert to other electronic ignition? Is the femsa bad? |
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hjo wrote: What was it doing that wasn't reliable? Like spark? In the end I just wanted to ride it. But I did make sure it was fully reversible.
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oopsclunkthud wrote: no spark, then fine, then none... rewired, new pick up, replaced coil, tried the ducati coil fix... In the end I just wanted to ride it. But I did make sure it was fully reversible. ![]() Pascoli sells a repro Femsa unit, but it's pretty ugly. ![]() Speaking of which. Any idea where this goes? I bought one bc it said Rally, but I've never seen one. |
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Original FEMSA was pretty ugly. Perhaps 3d print a cover to make it more like original shape.
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just looked back at the picture of your femsa coil, looks like the plug lead has been cut off. they are cast in / not replaceable.
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oopsclunkthud wrote: just looked back at the picture of your femsa coil, looks like the plug lead has been cut off. they are cast in / not replaceable. I have another Femsa, but I haven't tested it, and it got all bleached out in the sun. This one kept the original color so well. I want to try to save it. |
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hjo wrote: Yep. There's about 3/4 of an inch there. I got a new lead wire, and am hoping it's enough to splice. The plan is to thread a screw, similar to the NGK plug cap into both sides, and put heat shrink on the outside. I have another Femsa, but I haven't tested it, and it got all bleached out in the sun. This one kept the original color so well. I want to try to save it. I like using marine grade when I have it. Seals up repair and provides a little mechanical bonding between parts. https://www.harborfreight.com/42-piece-marine-heat-shrink-tubing-67598.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12169054043&campaignid=12169054043&utm_content=125548918308&adsetid=125548918308&product=67598&store=359&gclid=CjwKCAjwm8WZBhBUEiwA178UnMOuACDmtpTnrvRmTUSE-MF1PQ5LrNs3yLrG8_GKN5-D0ZO4bxJBXxoC-QkQAvD_BwE |
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hjo wrote: Yep. There's about 3/4 of an inch there. I got a new lead wire, and am hoping it's enough to splice. The plan is to thread a screw, similar to the NGK plug cap into both sides, and put heat shrink on the outside. I have another Femsa, but I haven't tested it, and it got all bleached out in the sun. This one kept the original color so well. I want to try to save it. I've also used this style with some shrink and got acceptable results as well ![]() rando plug wire splice
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greasy125 wrote: I know somebody sells a sleeve that's not much larger diameter than the plug wire and it's got the male/screw in on both sides. I've used one of those with some heatshrink and it worked a treat. I've also used this style with some shrink and got acceptable results as well I was hoping someone makes something like this, but with a plate in the center. I pictured that being what a plug wire splice would be. But haven't seen one. |
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Christopher_55934 wrote: How about soldering new lead to old, then some liquid electrical tape in that repair area, then heat shrink tubing with adhesive. If you keep liquid tape in repair area should keep bulk down. I like using marine grade when I have it. Seals up repair and provides a little mechanical bonding between parts. Greasy. I can't find anything like the one you posted, even with image search. Do you know where to buy one of those? |
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hjo wrote: I had never heard of liquid electrical tape! I think it's too delicate to solder. It would melt the lead wire insulation. Greasy. I can't find anything like the one you posted, even with image search. Do you know where to buy one of those? And, yeah, I love liquid electrical tape. I've seen it (and plasti-dip) in the paint section at Home Depot if you're having trouble finding it anywhere you'd expect. i.e. with the electrical tools.
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I'll order it.
It's such a strange design. Very lumpy. I don't know why they make the center part so long and wider dimension. I gues so that it's knurled to screw it on? ![]() ![]() My other Femsa looks worse. ![]() This one got chewed by mice. These things are so strange. They just poured resin in a mold and dipped the parts in. |
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LED bulbs.
Going to try them. Does my Vespa have a positive ground or a negative ground? I'm guessing negative. ![]() ![]() |
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Thank you!!
Those bulbs look so weird! But the incandescent ones barely work, so hopefully these prevent the battery from draining. |
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hjo wrote: LED bulbs. Going to try them. Does my Vespa have a positive ground or a negative ground? I'm guessing negative.
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Christopher_55934 wrote: Negative ground means negative battery post is connected, positive ground positive battery post is connected to frame. |
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hjo wrote: I don't think I've ever seen positive ground! |
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