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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:08:17 +0000 quote
hjo wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen positive ground!
50's British cars. My Nash and TR3 are both positive ground.
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:17:32 +0000

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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:17:32 +0000 quote
kmf wrote:
50's British cars. My Nash and TR3 are both positive ground.
Thanks for that kmf!
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:24:00 +0000

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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:24:00 +0000 quote
That's understandable, since they even drive on the wrong side of the road.
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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:06:00 +0000 quote
qascooter wrote:
Me neither - what tech uses positive ground?
Really old (like 1920's) cars used it. Past that, I don't know.
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:35:01 +0000

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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:35:01 +0000 quote
Ummm... Stupid Ford had stupid positive ground on my lovely fifty five Vic.
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The Ford Motor Company used negative ground polarity on the Model-T, then went to positive ground starting with the Model A, and then went back to negative ground in 1956. Positive ground in automobiles was mostly abandoned with the introduction of 12-volt electrical systems in the fifties.
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:45:27 +0000

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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:45:27 +0000 quote
I had a 67 MGB with positive ground.
Tue, 27 Sep 2022 21:28:51 +0000

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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 21:28:51 +0000 quote
hjo wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen positive ground!
My 1950 truck has a positive chassis or ground.
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Tue, 27 Sep 2022 23:03:12 +0000 quote
I think I have it!!

I ran out of black wire. And I think the red is too short for the positive lead, so still have to do the battery leads. I guess I can do an extension of the red one.

I thought about doing this anyway, because a lot of the newer batteries have clip terminals, so can have a set for those and the ring style that are interchangeable.

Such a strange configuration. The bottom terminals have multiple color wires going in to them.

Fingers crossed.

Piaggio loved to have multiple wires split off from one fastener.




Definite improvement over the before.

Wed, 28 Sep 2022 00:16:08 +0000

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Wed, 28 Sep 2022 00:16:08 +0000 quote
Pristine! Such nice work.
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Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:32:36 +0000 quote
One little thing at a time.


#4 ring terminals.

I bought these from an industrial place, that makes really high quality, but mostly sells minimum orders of thousands.


They're so nice. The brass is twice as thick as the assortment set one.


So magical. Scooterwest did the stator, and all new wires match up.


Pascoli had things I've never seen, like this end cap for the Femsa junction box.


And all done! Connected. Hope it works!

Kept the old screw for the junction box. It was very rusty, but looks kind of nice patina cleaned up.


The new cable is thicker than the old one. I hope it's not too noticeably weird.

It fits in the clip on the cylinder shroud, and through the frame grommet with the cables.

Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:18:46 +0000

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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:18:46 +0000 quote
looking amazing, great work! so satisfying to follow....
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:00:54 +0000 quote
Cdevillasante wrote:
looking amazing, great work! so satisfying to follow....
I love following yours.

Two Bay Area Rallys in the same restoration timeline. Now with wiring.
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Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:56:14 +0000

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Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:56:14 +0000 quote
Now I'm at the point where I have all these small parts I bought, but forgot where I put them.

Do p200s and Rallys have different pipes?


This thing arrived. It comes with two huge pieces of heat shrink. I think I'll use some thinner gauge stuff. As subtle as possible.


Seems perfect. This is the last repair this wire can have. But seems pretty strong. It holds well.


I can't get the pipe on easily. Not sure if it's because I painted the stub, or if the pipe is wrong. This one came with my engine case, and is for a p200. Is that weld right?

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Sun, 02 Oct 2022 04:00:22 +0000

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Sun, 02 Oct 2022 04:00:22 +0000 quote
I think this is how the exhaust fits.


Seems to be in the right place. The bolt to the engine case is in the right spot. Just doesn't go to the top.


Ignition. The bullets keep popping out. I have to expand them slightly


Trim went on well. I am still waiting for the handlebars from the paint shop. They resprayed them twice, and had drips.

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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 04:50:41 +0000

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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 04:50:41 +0000 quote
Femsa.

Is this how the femsa wires go?

The spark plug wire is so weird, bolted to the frame like that.

Just a few little parts left.

The Femsa is weird. There's a ground wire that hind of routes off, so the wire cap doesn't cover the wire sleeve thing.


This patch worked well. Being right at the end, it almost looks like it should be there.




The color is so nice. It looks like a new bike. Except the color is wrong on the carb cover (should be gray) and the selector cover (should be zinc, I think?). Those were in bad shape and I threw in with the powder coat batch.


Now with glove box. I still don't have the headset. I have to get it from the painter. It had to be reshot.


New oil tank and fuel tap. Everything is new!

Tue, 04 Oct 2022 08:33:19 +0000

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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 08:33:19 +0000 quote
I seem to remember that the earth wire is slightly longer than the 3 wires going to the femsa box so it doesn't pull. Also, I can't tell from the picture but do you have 3 wires to the femsa coil?
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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 08:43:15 +0000 quote
That makes sense. It's too short.

I have the other three wires, and had it rewired, so they're all new. And there's a little clip that holds them.

I think I need to cut back the sleeve a bit. There's plenty of play there. And I guess I can add another bit of tubing to the main wires so it connects to the boot there.

It's definitely needing some adjustment.

I ordered the clip to hold the harness, too.



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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:41:28 +0000 quote
Finally have all the painted parts.

They used up all the paint. Need to find a touch up pen.




These things look so silly.


But there's something cool about the original parts so perfect.



Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:49:49 +0000

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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:49:49 +0000 quote
Dang dude, that thing is flippin gorgeous! I'm already cringing when the first layer of road grime is deposited on that beautiful machine.

But hey, you only live once, and nothing lasts forever, and, BALANCE, in all things...

In other words, ride the piss out of it and no doubt it'll outlast all of us now that you've given it a new life....

Fantastic Job!
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Tue, 04 Oct 2022 23:10:20 +0000 quote
I can't wait to ride it!

It's not perfect. But it should be very road worthy. I'm really hoping like frame isn't bent or something. I never rode it, bc the tank was full of rust.
Wed, 05 Oct 2022 00:48:22 +0000

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Wed, 05 Oct 2022 00:48:22 +0000 quote
Pretty damn close to perfect! Persian miniature artists used to put a flaw in their works on purpose to stay humble.......Vespa artists??
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Wed, 05 Oct 2022 20:39:11 +0000 quote
Detail porn. Apparently, the pods have to go on first, bc there's no way to get the wires through otherwise.






The posts really cleaned up.




I love the little bit of patina on the high beam indicator. I could polish it more, but like it.

Thu, 06 Oct 2022 02:17:36 +0000

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Thu, 06 Oct 2022 02:17:36 +0000 quote
It looks soooo good. You're doing a phenomenal job!
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Fri, 07 Oct 2022 13:01:24 +0000 quote
I like the turn signals. The patina on the speedo is the perfect kind of detail. In good condition but shows that it is the original genuine article and not some cheesy repop.
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Sun, 09 Oct 2022 04:42:25 +0000 quote
Headset parts.




What is the purpose of this spring thing at the end of the throttle tube?


And also, the handlebar curves in by the lever on this side.


I think I might have the wrong levers. They just barely clear the outside.

They also have these very obvious casting marks. But just shows on one side


I have to drill and tap the place for this front brake actuator thing. I don't think mane people do this, since it's a hacky add on.

The positioning is really imporant, as it only shuts off when fully depressed.


I found an NOS switch, and had all the hardware, so seemed worth keeping.


This is the bottom headlight attachment. No clue how it works.


The before photo isn't much help.



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hjo wrote:
What is the purpose of this spring thing at the end of the throttle tube?
It keeps the throttle open where you set it, cruise control. works well when greased but if it dries out it can make it really hard to close the throttle.

I normally leave it out. By the time the P series came out there was a requirement that the throttle be self closing.
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Sun, 09 Oct 2022 05:12:00 +0000 quote
oh! that's intentional! I always thought the older bikes just had bad throttle return.

The P style is much better
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Sun, 09 Oct 2022 06:50:57 +0000 quote
Now it's a million little things.

I have no idea how to get the speedo cable through. It has to feed through the top, and through a place in the fork inside the fender.

I could feed the brake cable from the bottom, but the speedo has that big clamped on part at the top to thread on to the speedo.

Puzzled.

I think I might need to drop the fork and detach the fender to feed the cable.

Also. Does the clutch have a barrel end? I don't think it does. But it's inside the handlebar, and you can't see.


Handlebars.




A mess of little parts to attach.


I thought I made the wires long, but they seem like they're barely long enough.

Sun, 09 Oct 2022 10:57:38 +0000

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Sun, 09 Oct 2022 10:57:38 +0000 quote
I am so impressed with what you have done to this bike !
The clutch cable has no top hat. I have no idea why.
If you take the inner out of the speedo cable and run a fairly stiff wire that it at least twice as long as the inner up through the fork and then through the outer with the end bent over or wrapped to the outer, you can pull it down through the fork. The plastic sheath on the outer will almost certainly hang up on the sharp edge of the exit hole at the bottom so it takes some fiddling to get it through without peeling off the sheath.
As for the wires, it is always good to make them over-long as it is easier to cut them shorter when they get to where they are going than stretch them out. The handle bar switch is tricky as there is very little room for excess in there. Your heavier gauge may also prove a challenge.
Patience and perseverance.
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For the speedo cable, feed some wire or weed wacker line UP the hole in the fork until it comes out the top. Then tape the bottom of the speedo cable to it and pull it down and out the hole. It's a tight fit, so go slow. Greasing the outer helps.
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Sun, 09 Oct 2022 21:22:20 +0000 quote
Thank you for the tips on the speedo!!

I will try it.
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Mon, 10 Oct 2022 01:53:09 +0000 quote
Getting so close.


Barrels all lined up. The headset clamp bolt is weird! I guess it needs a spacer at the top


So weird. I made all the wires longer than the original harness, but they're still a couple of inches too short. So I have to make a switch harness that attaches them, which should be fine. Next time, way long.


The headlight ring really changes the look of the headset. Extends it out quite a bit.


Almost there.


I can move the bike around now!! So I cleaned the floor.

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Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:34:39 +0000 quote
I tried kicking over. No spark.

Have to diagnose why.

I was hoping it would work.

Also, installed the shifter cables, and there's a ton of play in the shifter box.

I might have missed a washer or something. the whole cluster lifts up when I shift. Seems very wrong.

Luckily, it's on the outside.


These look like lite brites. or insect eyes.


Segmented eyes.


Where does this thing go? it's definitely a different style than I have seen.


I think it attaches to this case bolt, but here, it would project out into the exhaust, unless it needs to be bent. ??

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Bend it so it holds the cables off the exhaust.
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Wed, 12 Oct 2022 13:43:34 +0000 quote
check for spark with the key off

you could also disconnect the wire at the junction on top of the engine to rule out anything with the harness.
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oopsclunkthud wrote:
you could also disconnect the wire at the junction on top of the engine to rule out anything with the harness.
Disconnecting the kill switch wire is the very first thing I do when I encounter no spark.
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Thanks! All these little things now.

Dumb question. Does the spacer in the clutch and shifter clamp go on top of the cable?

I hope I put the stator in the right way. It only seemed to fit one way.



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Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
Joined: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:05:38 +0000
Posts: 1722
Location: San Francisco, CA
 
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Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
Joined: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:05:38 +0000
Posts: 1722
Location: San Francisco, CA
Fri, 14 Oct 2022 03:46:26 +0000 quote
Spark. No spark.

I disconnected the junction box, tried my spare Femsa. Tried the green/blue/red in forward and reverse order. Checked the ground on the Femsa (it goes to a bare frame post).

Nothing.

Not sure what's going on.

I had the stator checked and rewired by Robot. I'm sure that''s good.

I don't know if I put the stator the right way. But it only seems to fit one way.

And if it was the wrong way, it would probably spark, just at the wrong time, since it's all a circle.

Hm. I guess I could have damaged a wire pulling it through. The grommet was hard to get through. But seemed fine.


The wire leads seem like the right place here.


This cam thing activates the spark, I think. It says Lato Externo (this side out) on the outside.

Fri, 14 Oct 2022 04:12:43 +0000

Hooked
'71 Sprint Veloce
Joined: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 22:57:05 +0000
Posts: 213
Location: SoCal
 
Hooked
'71 Sprint Veloce
Joined: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 22:57:05 +0000
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Location: SoCal
Fri, 14 Oct 2022 04:12:43 +0000 quote
I'm a total noob, but could it be your flywheel that's lost magnetism? I know if they sit by themselves for a long time (without the stator or something else in place) the magnetism can degrade. Like I said I have no idea I'm just throwing it out there?
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Fri, 14 Oct 2022 05:29:03 +0000

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
Joined: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:05:38 +0000
Posts: 1722
Location: San Francisco, CA
 
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Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
Joined: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:05:38 +0000
Posts: 1722
Location: San Francisco, CA
Fri, 14 Oct 2022 05:29:03 +0000 quote
It's possible. The last time this bike was registered was 1985. 😬
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