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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 22:14:08 +0000 quote
jimc wrote:
Yes, why is it 'Merkins pronounce solder as 'sodder'?
Supposed to be "sold-her"?
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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 22:49:53 +0000 quote
Madison Sully wrote:
Supposed to be "sold-her"?
Just "sold -er". No 'haitch'.
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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:06:40 +0000 quote
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Yes, why is it 'Merkins pronounce solder as 'sodder'?
Ha...the culprits! Figured either the Brits or Canucks...or both.
Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:13:23 +0000

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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:13:23 +0000 quote
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"Half-assed Plumber"

If it don't fit don't faucet.
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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:25:41 +0000 quote
Excellent job Fledermaus!! You did a nice job. I'd be proud of that work, you should be too. Don't forget to wipe the joints down with a rag. A plumber told me to do that years ago. In response to my question, "Why?", he replied, "The flux can degrade the joint over time." Right or wrong, now I just wipe them down to get the excess flux off.

I've never heard it called anything but "sod-er".

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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:36:06 +0000

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Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:36:06 +0000 quote
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Excellent job Fledermaus!! You did a nice job. I'd be proud of that work, you should be too. Don't forget to wipe the joints down with a rag. A plumber told me to do that years ago. In response to my question, "Why?", he replied, "The flux can degrade the joint over time." Right or wrong, now I just wipe them down to get the excess flux off.

I've never heard it called anything but "sod-er".
Thanks for the reminder.....may have done it anyway, but YouTube made the point...as well as edifying me on the proper pronunciation of sauld-er.


And okay, I'll accept the praise. Not bad anyway for the last time being a dozen or more years ago....
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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 00:44:55 +0000 quote
jimc wrote:
Yes, why is it 'Merkins pronounce solder as 'sodder'?
Because the L is silent.

How do you pronounce "would"? Or could, should, calf, half, chalk, talk, or walk?

And if that's not convincing enough for you, there's this: "solder" comes from Old French soudure.

Better question: how do you pronounce "Colonel"?

English, it's a funny thing, innit?
Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:07:56 +0000

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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:07:56 +0000 quote
jess wrote:
Because the L is silent.

How do you pronounce "would"? Or could, should, calf, half, chalk, talk, or walk?

And if that's not convincing enough for you, there's this: "solder" comes from Old French soudure.

Better question: how do you pronounce "Colonel"?

English, it's a funny thing, innit?
Colon, eh?
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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 04:27:50 +0000 quote
jimc wrote:
Yes, why is it 'Merkins pronounce solder as 'sodder'?
same as why is herb pronounced erb
Well he got the job done, kudos mate... Im sure the solder/sodder copper option was cheaper than the sharkbite option in terms of materials and since you enjoyed doing the work that cost can't be quantified.
Wonderful to know you can do it & feel good bout it...
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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 16:00:23 +0000 quote
baba12 wrote:
same as why is herb pronounced erb
Not in English English! It's now an English word, not French, so not silent 'h's.
Quote:
Well he got the job done, kudos mate... Im sure the solder/sodder copper option was cheaper than the sharkbite option in terms of materials and since you enjoyed doing the work that cost can't be quantified.
Wonderful to know you can do it & feel good bout it...
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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 16:03:08 +0000 quote
jess wrote:
Because the L is silent.

How do you pronounce "would"? Or could, should, calf, half, chalk, talk, or walk?

And if that's not convincing enough for you, there's this: "solder" comes from Old French soudure.

Better question: how do you pronounce "Colonel"?

English, it's a funny thing, innit?
Colder? Bolder? Folder? Holder? Polder?

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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 17:28:17 +0000 quote
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Colder? Bolder? Folder? Holder? Polder?
I hold it as self-evident that an educated Englishman should know better than to try to find consistency in the pronunciation of English.
Sun, 27 Jun 2021 17:39:16 +0000

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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 17:39:16 +0000 quote
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I hold it as self-evident that an educated Englishman should know better than to try to find consistency in the pronunciation of English.
Vive la différence!
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Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:44:08 +0000 quote
baba12 wrote:
Cut it and use sharkbite fittiings and a PEX pipe. No soldering needed.
As for frost free pipes I find don't always do the job. Better to put a ball valve with a release drain.
I just installed a hose connection in the front of a neighbors brownstone.
Used a bunch of sharkbite valves and PEX pipe to make the connections and now he has a garden hose in the front and when winter comes he can drain the pipe and shut it off.
SharkBite is the single greatest invention of the 20th century. I just replaced an outside spigot that leaked terribly with one set up with a Sharkbite attachment. I didn't have much pipe left after cutting off the old spigot. The Sharkbit slid on, screwed it fast. works like a charm.
I also used flexible Sharkbite piping for my water softener about 15 years ago. holding like a champ. I've sweat/soldered pipe before. I can do it. I just don't need to any more.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 05:43:25 +0000 quote
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Vive la différence!
Au régiment!
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 07:51:48 +0000 quote
https://it.puzzle-pipes.com/
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 08:57:25 +0000 quote
fledermaus wrote:
Okay, that's 3 for cutting, 0 alternatives.
I haven't looked down thread, but an alternative is cut plus Shark Bite fittings.

And you mentioned propane earlier. MAPP gas. It's hard to develop enough heat with propane.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:35:35 +0000 quote
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I have installed 3 outdoor faucets and repaired inside pipes using Sharkbite fittings. They work on copper pipe and PEX pipe. They have a 25 year warranty.

One of the outdoor faucets I recently installed was a frostless unit made by Sharkbite that was already equipped with a Sharkbite fitting. It was a quarter turn valve which my wife requested. Great products.
This it the answer. Unless you want to go with the Vespa (old technology) method of solder crap.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:52:11 +0000 quote
The plumber who fixed my shower used Pro Press fittings. Excellent, but not so good for the DIY-er -- the tool costs $1300, he said.
Mon, 28 Jun 2021 11:37:18 +0000

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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 11:37:18 +0000 quote
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This it the answer. Unless you want to go with the Vespa (old technology) method of solder crap.
The home I sold in January was one of the first in my city to have soldered copper water pipes. When the plumber had finished the installation he told me he had sold his pipe threading machine. "I won't use any galvanised pipe ever again!"
37 years later they were as new - aside from a brown patina on the outside.
New copper pipes are much thinner though.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 11:42:47 +0000 quote
I use (for outdoor) Tee compression fittings on plastic pipe. Very resistant and if desired there are quick gluing joints

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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:02:20 +0000 quote
Attila wrote:
I use (for outdoor) Tee compression fittings on plastic pipe. Very resistant and if desired there are quick gluing joints


I had those underground using HDPE pipes.
Above ground was copper.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:39:13 +0000 quote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
jimc wrote:
Vive la différence!
Au régiment!
Hah!

And a timely article in the Guardian this morning:
Quote:
My English will never be 'perfect' - and that's what keeps a language alive
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/28/english-perfect-language-arabic
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Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:21:59 +0000 quote
Now, how are drywall repair skills?
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lostboater wrote:
Now, how are drywall repair skills?
Reasonably good. I've done a lot more of that than plumbing. OTHO, considering it's hidden in a basement closet behind a shelf, I'm inclined to just put a piece of quarter inch plywood over the opening and call it a day. Who knows, in 50 years someone might want to install a new faucet......
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Reasonably good. I've done a lot more of that than plumbing. OTHO, considering it's hidden in a basement closet behind a shelf, I'm inclined to just put a piece of quarter inch plywood over the opening and call it a day. Who knows, in 50 years someone might want to install a new faucet......
I vote for that method. Besides, makes it easy to get to for the next repair.
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Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:19:46 +0000 quote
fledermaus wrote:
considering it's hidden in a basement closet behind a shelf, I'm inclined to just put a piece of quarter inch plywood over the opening and call it a day. Who knows, in 50 years someone might want to install a new faucet......
Call it an access panel and you're golden.
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Call it an access panel and you're golden.
Value added!
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Wed, 30 Jun 2021 20:27:14 +0000 quote
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Yes, why is it 'Merkins pronounce solder as 'sodder'?
The same reason we pronounce salmon "sammon" and almond as "ommon"

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