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https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/topnews/2021/06/30/canada-caldo-fino-495-gradi-decine-di-morti-a-vancouver_c4822587-6894-4dd6-a95f-3c51182ec17a.html

Harbinger?

Canada: heat up to 49.5 degrees, dozens of deaths in Vancouver
New historical record of temperatures on the Pacific coast.

(ANSA News Agency) - VANCOUVER, June 29 - Canada set an extreme heat record yesterday, for the third consecutive day: 49.5 degrees were recorded in Lytton, a village northeast of Vancouver, in the middle of a heat wave that would be at the origin of dozens of sudden deaths reported in the region in recent days.
"At 4:20 pm Lytton Station broke daily and historic temperature records once again," tweeted Environment and Climate Change Canada (Eccc), the Canadian government department responsible for coordinating environmental policies and programs.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and Vancouver City Police have separately announced that at least 134 people have died since Friday in the metropolitan area located on the Canadian Pacific coast, in a grip of heat that is also affecting the country. west of the United States.

In Italy:

https://www.ilmeteo.it/notizie/meteo-weekend-e-avvio-di-luglio-prima-del-ritorno-del-caldo-faremo-i-conti-con-le-alluvionilampo-zone-a-rischio-174728

Flash floods: the Americans call them that, but they are nothing more than the flash floods that often hit Italy this season, causing considerable damage and unfortunately also victims, as the recent news of recent years teaches us (Palermo and Crotone in 2020, Matera in 2019, Cinque Terre in 2011, just to name a few examples not too distant in time).

The term flash-flood is different from that of classic flood and is used to indicate an extreme weather event that occurs as a result of intense thunderstorms associated with slow-moving or even stationary storms on small reservoirs, rivers, streams and even streams that before the rain they can also be completely dry.
This is a very dangerous phenomenon as the intensity of the rain is very high: in an hour, even the precipitations that would normally fall within 3 months can accumulate. The duration of the event is often short, in the order of a few hours at most and for this reason it is configured as one of the most extreme events, both due to the violence itself of the associated phenomena, and because it does not allow sufficient time to alert the affected population. .
Analyzing the climatological history of our country we know that the greatest risks are run after an intense heat wave, as large quantities of humidity and heat stagnate in the lower layers of the atmosphere. Subsequently, at the first fresh and unstable gust at high altitude (usually downhill from Northern Europe), the convective motions (hot air rising) favor the genesis of particularly violent thunderstorms, with a high risk of hailstorms and in some cases, more rare, even of tornadoes.

And this is exactly what we expect over the next weekend, in particular on Sunday 4 July, when a vast Atlantic depression will stretch towards Italy, recalling fresh and unstable air of polar maritime origin at high altitude, which will be able to scratch the dome. anticyclonic, starting from the Northwest regions.
Particular attention is focused on the alpine and pre-alpine sectors where rainfalls are expected, capable of discharging large quantities of water to the ground: up to over 100 mm in a very short time. Hence the danger of flash floods could materialize especially on the minor river and torrential courses first of our alpine valleys in extension then also to the nearby plains of Piedmont, Lombardy, Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia.

All this, before a new heat wave: from Monday 5 July, our models on the medium-long term, in fact, highlight a possible and progressive expansion of the subtropical high pressure and, therefore, a new conquest of most of it. of our country, therefore with generally drier and sunnier weather, but above all with temperatures that are rising sharply again, with a tendency to a new boom of heat for everyone.
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Alarming stuff. I haven't read much about the effects on agriculture.....water aside, it has to be pretty stressful on plant life. I'd read that Iraq had something like 125 degrees? Wha? emoticon

I was reading that the building collapse in Miami likely has a climate change contribution....heavier rains, more flooding of below ground parking structures with increased structural damage. If repairs are done when and how recommended it can avoid catastrophe, but the price tag can get pretty high.....
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fledermaus wrote:
I was reading that the building collapse in Miami likely has a climate change contribution....heavier rains, more flooding of below ground parking structures with increased structural damage. If repairs are done when and how recommended it can avoid catastrophe, but the price tag can get pretty high.....
Oh please, don't buy the silliness. It was an under-maintained 40 year old building with many known structural repair needs that went unaddressed because of bad decision-making by the condo board, and the result will be ~160 dead. Nearby buildings are not affected. This wasn't caused by the weather.

Everything bad is caused by global warming/climate change, because that gets you research grants, gets your article published in the paper, etc. I for one am happy about climate change. Chicago was under a mile of ice not all that long ago, geologically speaking. Good thing the climate changed!
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I am with JimR_Atl on this one. I also know how fast this can slip into an emotional
political discussion.

It seems to be whatever is the flavor of the day. 50's-60's World Over Population,
70's-80's New Ice Age, and now Global Warming. A close examination reveals most
of these (World Ending Catastrophizes) are cooked up over and over again by a
quasi scientific subcommittee of the United Nations to drum up increased funding.

Then an astounding number of scientists line up on opposite sides of the issue all claiming the higher moral ground.

Since the beginning of time, weather events have screwed things up and killed people,

I try to be positive and optimistic about the future. We will be just fine.

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I try to stay away from topics that can get emotional quickly but the one that gets my mind twisted is the sea level rise narrative. It's like we have forgotten that we live on a planet with techtonic plates that shift around.

Would not a plate that is going under another give the same effect of a rising sea?
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Bob Copeland wrote:
I try to be positive and optimistic about the future. We will be just fine.
I agree. We will be fine. Our grandkids? Not so much.
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...Then an astounding number of scientists line up on opposite sides of the issue all claiming the higher moral ground...
98% to 100% of scientists are in consensus, which was reached in the late 80's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

Edited: My original tone was stiff, we'll say.
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It can be an emotional topic - that isn't something to be met with derision. It's emotional for a lot of people because they have dealt with the ramifications first-hand. My evenings have been spent the last two years in the (ever earlier) summer running supplies to rescue shelters for wildfire displaced pets. I am young enough to still be invested in the future, but I am not so young that I don't remember a time before the PNW was on fire more often than not. I remember when carrying an N-95 for smoke was an odd day and not a season. I have friends that have lost homes, loved ones.

Pic is the view I was treated to on my way home yesterday (not mine - I was on the Vespa and didn't want to stop, but someone else in my area). To the right of that monstrous cloud of smoke is a little hill called Mt. Shasta. More normal every year.
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Kevin T wrote:
Would not a plate that is going under another give the same effect of a rising sea?
The short answer is "no".
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