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Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:12 am

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2006 Vespa 200cc
Joined: 06 Aug 2012
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Location: Jacksonville Florida
 
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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:12 am linkquote
Picked her up yesterday but she doesn't run yet. I changed the oil and filter and air filter, drained the old gas and put in 90 oct. ethanol free stuff. She only has 1463 Km's showing on the odometer, I know not even broken in. She will start with starter fluid but won't run. The PO said she sat for about 11 months without being run or started. How could someone do this to a wonderful machine like the MP3? I'll tell you how, it sat next to a Ferrari. More money than sense. I'm going to need help with this one so please be prepared. I did find other post explaining what to do with all the fluids and they all will be changed after this thing runs and I know what's going on with it. Thanks in advance, docjones. I'm not a real doctor but I play one on the internet. (aka Tom)
Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:59 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
Joined: 29 Oct 2019
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Location: Belgium
 
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Location: Belgium
Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:59 am linkquote
As with any engine, you're gonna need to check for air, spark and fuel. In almost all cases where a vehicle sits for long times it is usually always the fuel system that takes the hit.

I've never ran across a engine that wouldn't run due to lack of air . . . at least not yet.

I know you said you drained the old fuel and refilled, but in all likelihood you are looking at a new fuel pump, fuel filter and possibly injector.
Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:58 pm

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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Location: Jacksonville Florida
 
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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Location: Jacksonville Florida
Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:58 pm linkquote
So you maybe right sbaert. After checking fuel isn't getting to the injector. So I'm going remove some tupperware tomorrow and locate said filter and pump. Any easy way to check that pump. We (my neighbor, God love him) have a few hours still to put into this really cool scoot. More input is always welcomed guys.
Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:39 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
 
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Location: Belgium
Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:39 am linkquote
Once you get access to the tank (without removing the lines), apply +12v directly to the pins for the pump (consult the service manual) and check for any swirling inside.

Pump should be whisperquiet and you should see visible movement inside the tank.
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:26 pm

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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
 
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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:26 pm linkquote
Once again sbaert I didn't get very far. An unexpected plumbing emergency. I removed many screws which I will say I like better than all the plastic push pins Honda uses on their scoots. The manual is a bit harder to follow. I'm sure it is because I'm not use to it. I found something that appears to be the fuel filter about 12 inches above the muffler/tailpipe. That can't be it can it? Another thing that I forgot to mention is the fuel gauge reads empty yet the tank is full of fresh fuel. The other is the warning light for the helmet trunk is always on. No matter what I do. Strange. A faulty switch maybe? I hate to lean on you but you seem to be the only one willing to chat. Thanks again. Tom
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:46 pm

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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
 
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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Posts: 39838
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:46 pm linkquote
If you can't hear the fuel pump 'whirr' for two seconds when you first switch on, then check fuses and relays before trying to access the fuel pump.

The wiring diagram should help you here.
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:02 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:02 am linkquote
docjones wrote:
...Another thing that I forgot to mention is the fuel gauge reads empty yet the tank is full of fresh fuel. The other is the warning light for the helmet trunk is always on. No matter what I do. Strange. A faulty switch maybe?...
There's your confirmation that the fuel system components rotted due to sitting so long. The pump, filter and sender are one assembly that sits inside the tank. You're gonna need to flush out the tank with chemicals, replace the pump/filter/sender assembly with a new unit, flush out the fuel lines, and you're most likely looking at a new injector as well.

Not sure what this "warning light for the helmet trunk" is. Care to upload to pics?
Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:33 am

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2010 gts 300 super. 09 MP3 500 lite
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Location: tampa
 
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:33 am linkquote
I wouldnt be pulling pump just yet. I would locate fuel pump relay, see if you have 12v on one of the larger pin pair. if you have 12v then connect the two pins. that should make the fuel pump run. it will be audible. plastic tank setups are great. they survive sitting for long periods. the sender likely will come back to life once fuel sloshes around again.

the fact it starts on prime makes things pretty easy when you have done this type a thing before.

seat light on is a separate problem that has been addressed many times in this forum. but bike should start so finding why fuel pump not running is the first step.

11 months is nothing. it probably sat for ten years.
Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:38 pm

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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
 
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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:38 pm linkquote
I will check out all of you tips from above and jerryd that sitting for 10 years is what really scares me. I know this is no Honda Silverwing but my wife's 06 Silverwing had a whopping 932 miles on it when we purchased it 3 years ago. It did a lot of sitting also. I'll give all a report very soon. We hope to ride our Silverwings tomorrow if this hurricane stays away from Jacksonville Florida. Wish us luck.
Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:07 pm

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2010 gts 300 super. 09 MP3 500 lite
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:07 pm linkquote
I just bought a silverwing that sat fore two years. it started right up not changing gas. and it has a metal tank. I just bought a bv350 that seller said he only own for three months but when I get it home I find receipts from parts purchased by him for the bike, dated mid 2019. dont know why people cant be honest.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:10 am

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2006 Vespa 200cc
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Posts: 39
Location: Jacksonville Florida
 
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Location: Jacksonville Florida
Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:10 am linkquote
Can I assume sbaert that I can remove the fuel pump, fuel filter, and fuel gauge sending unit from the fuel tank once the tank is out of the frame? I could remove the fuel tank out of an old Honda Reflex but I did have to contort the frame a little to do so. I did that 3 times so I got pretty good at it. I'm going to do my best to dive into this repair this weekend but I have at least two other projects that I need to share my time with. Thank God my wife doesn't have a honey do list. She is the best. Did I mention she rides her own SilverWing.
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