Wed May 11, 2022 10:59 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 10:59 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
1000ml = about 1 quart.

Glasurit 22 is mixed 2:1 with hardener, so you'll have around 1-1/2 quarts of "total sprayable material". That should be plenty (assuming no screw ups). Glasurit 22 has really good coverage compared to lower cost paints (PPG Omni for example), so even though it costs more you'll use less.

Speaking of hardender, if you're going to buy the Glasurit from Germany, make sure to get hardener as well ... which won't be cheap... and make sure they can ship it to your state. You obviously don't want it confiscated by customs.
Well I assume I can buy the hardener here in the states. There is a Glasurit paint distributor in Brooklyn. I just cant find the color through them. They searched for it but didnt see it and were asking me if the color code was a tint or something else? Basically they said they needed the mixture codes which I have no idea. It just seems more accurate and easier to just order this top coat paint color from Germany since it is the correct color. .then deal with getting the hardener and any other stuff that needs to get mixed with it locally.

BTW.. this glasurit 22 paint can 1000ml.. that is not "single stage" paint right? This is the stuff you spray color down then have to spray the clear coat separately right? That is what I want to do.. not the stuff you spray once and it acts as both the color and the clear coat top.

https://www.vespa-lack.de/shop/gebinde/vespa-lackgebinde/gebinde-piaggio-933-giallo-cromo-1000ml-2k-glasurit-einschichtlack/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gebinde-piaggio-933-giallo-cromo-1000ml-2k-glasurit-einschichtlack

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:06 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:06 am linkquote
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Question is if "Giallo Cromo" needs a white basecoat or not. The Ferrari yellow I chose, needed white as a base so coverage would be easier and shade would come out as it should. Piaggio definitely uses white on their "new" colors (e.g. Rosso Dragon) but can't say for sure if they did back then. Maybe, send the shop an email and ask them for info??

Maybe start with a can of spray and see how it turns up??
I'm gonna say its a gray primer based on what I see on the frame that has been knocked back to primer from the previous owner.



Wed May 11, 2022 11:12 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:12 am linkquote
Glasurit 22 is single stage. It's not intended to be topped with a clear.

And SaFiS is right, the primer you use under the topcoat will affect the final shade, especially with yellow. White (or light gray) will make the yellow pop, dark gray or black will mute it.

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:15 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:15 am linkquote
Can't they get the formula on Glasurit's online tool??

https://coloronline.glasurit.com/

Example, 2lt of Giallo Cromo on Glasurit Line 22 needs the following pigments...



Wed May 11, 2022 11:21 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:21 am linkquote
I thought 22-line was 4:1:1…. 4 parts paint, 1 part hardner, 1 part reducer? My notes could be wrong though.
Wed May 11, 2022 11:23 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:23 am linkquote
Here's the TDS for Glasurit 22:


https://techinfo.glasurit.com/en_UK/PKW/Chapter_G/GD/22_HS_print.pdf


Says 2:1 and 10% reducer
Wed May 11, 2022 11:27 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:27 am linkquote
Thx …. I must have my PPG formula written down for 22-line. Appreciate the clarity.
Wed May 11, 2022 11:37 am

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Wed May 11, 2022 11:37 am linkquote
SaFiS wrote:
Can't they get the formula on Glasurit's online tool??

https://coloronline.glasurit.com/

Example, 2lt of Giallo Cromo on Glasurit Line 22 needs the following pigments...
Haha. Holy shit. I called the local glasurit dealer and said I was looking for yellow chrome 933. He's like I can't find it. You'd think the glasurit dealer should be able to find and use that color finder app you just posted. I didn't know about it until you just posted it. I'm gonna take that info to them and get it mixed up!
Wed May 11, 2022 12:00 pm

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Wed May 11, 2022 12:00 pm linkquote
Based on my sample size of two, a quart of two-part will do a largeframe so long as you don't screw up too much. Figure another quart of clearcoat if you're going that route. and you should be good-to-go.
Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 pm

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Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 pm linkquote
SaFiS wrote:
Can't they get the formula on Glasurit's online tool??

https://coloronline.glasurit.com/

Example, 2lt of Giallo Cromo on Glasurit Line 22 needs the following pigments...
Ok I've finally had a few minutes at the computer to look at this color picker website.

Since you guys are saying the Glasurit 22 line is single stage paint.. which is the multi-stage paint line that I should use if I want to spray multiple layers of the color, then do the clear coat layers separate?

The color picker app shows me all the paint style options they offer; 55 line, 90 line, or 68 line. Looking at their website descriptions of those different products I see 55 is clear over base system (assuming this is what I want), 90 line is "waterborne technology" that has short application and flash-off times with very low solvent content (assume its basically the same as 55 but less dangerous chemicals?), and I don't see 68 line mentioned on their website.
Wed May 11, 2022 9:30 pm

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Wed May 11, 2022 9:30 pm linkquote
The 55 line is the base/clear system you want.

Glasurit offers a choice of a few different clears for the 55 line. 923-155 looks like a good all-purpose, high solids clear. Talk to the dealer and see what they recommend.
Thu May 12, 2022 2:29 am

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Thu May 12, 2022 2:29 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
we can always have more bodywork threads!

my advice, prep prep prep prep prep. 80% is prep, 10% is product, 5% is tools, 5% is skill.

is it clean? clean it again.

lay down thin coats rather than one giant ass soggy one

be smooth on the trigger- whether it's a spray gun or a rattle bomb. smooth, flowing strokes.
There's no percentage listed for swearing when some bastard insect decides to land on your top coat ?
Thu May 12, 2022 5:57 am

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Thu May 12, 2022 5:57 am linkquote
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There's no percentage listed for swearing when some bastard insect decides to land on your top coat ?
No need. It's 100%.
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Sat May 14, 2022 1:48 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
No need. It's 100%.
Mon May 16, 2022 7:55 pm

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Mon May 16, 2022 7:55 pm linkquote
Another question... What's a minimum size of air compressor tank to be able to paint a frame and all the panels?

I know my 11 gallon tank is probably too small as it runs out pretty fast and takes a while to refill, but I'm wondering if getting a second 11 gallon portable air tank to hook up inline with my compressor tank (22 gal total) would be enough to get a vespa painted without running into major problems. I'm sure it would still be running the motor more than preferred, but hoping 22 gal is enough to do each of the smaller parts in one refill and wait for the tanks to refill before moving on to the next part.

I'm also not opposed to getting two 11 gal portable tanks to hook up inline and make 33 gal if that would be more than enough for a frame with minimal tank refills.
Tue May 17, 2022 5:55 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 5:55 am linkquote
It's less about tank size and more about Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM). I have a tiny little pancake 2.6 CFM compressor and it's definitely not up to the task. I'd guess you can get by with a 5.7 CFM, but I think that's the bare minimum for working with no recovery breaks.
Tue May 17, 2022 6:22 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 6:22 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
It's less about tank size and more about Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM). I have a tiny little pancake 2.6 CFM compressor and it's definitely not up to the task. I'd guess you can get by with a 5.7 CFM, but I think that's the bare minimum for working with no recovery breaks.
I'm more so worried about having the compressor running constantly. This thing is annoyingly loud (even after swapping out the air filter for a better one) and my garage is right next to peoples houses that don't want to hear that thing running for an hour or so while I paint. It running for a couple minutes at a time every 10-15 minutes is more acceptable.

Mine does 5.4cfm at 90psi and 6.3 cfm at 40psi (which is what my spray gun requires). And I just checked, its actually a 10 gallon tank not 11. But I am seeing plenty of used air tanks only with old air compressors removed off of them. So I can get around a 30 gal tank to up the capacity for probably only like 50-80 bucks, which I am guessing 40 gal capacity is more than enough to get it shot without the compressor running constantly, or me waiting for it to fill every 3 minutes.
Tue May 17, 2022 6:50 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 6:50 am linkquote
If all you're doing is adding is more tanks, they're not going to fill themselves

If you have easily-annoyed neighbors, then you're probably better off with two compressors for shorter run times when refilling, I'd think.
Tue May 17, 2022 7:19 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 7:19 am linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
I'm more so worried about having the compressor running constantly. This thing is annoyingly loud (even after swapping out the air filter for a better one) and my garage is right next to peoples houses that don't want to hear that thing running for an hour or so while I paint. It running for a couple minutes at a time every 10-15 minutes is more acceptable.

Mine does 5.4cfm at 90psi and 6.3 cfm at 40psi (which is what my spray gun requires). And I just checked, its actually a 10 gallon tank not 11. But I am seeing plenty of used air tanks only with old air compressors removed off of them. So I can get around a 30 gal tank to up the capacity for probably only like 50-80 bucks, which I am guessing 40 gal capacity is more than enough to get it shot without the compressor running constantly, or me waiting for it to fill every 3 minutes.
Chandler is correct, two tanks gives you a longer run time and a single compressor motor a longer run time. You would need to add a second compressor in parallel to what you have for a higher rated flow and quicker refill. You could "T" two systems together and run a single hose to tool. That would theoretically cut compressor run time in half, with two identical systems.

This looks like a knock off a brand California air tools compressor I have installed at work. If decibel rating is accurate it could be quieter than what you have. Unless you have this already.

https://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-compressors-tanks/air-compressors/10-gallon-175-psi-ultra-quiet-horizontal-shopauto-air-compressor-57328.html

This is how I would connect two compressors. I saw a few videos where guys removed "Air relief valves", as it was a convenient threaded connection. PLEASE DON'T REMOVE AN OVER PRESSURE OR POP OFF VALVE. That's what keeps a tank from exploding and turning into shrapnel if there is a failure and pump doesn't turn off.



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Tue May 17, 2022 7:27 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 7:27 am linkquote
Have you considered building a sound box?

Tue May 17, 2022 7:35 am

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Tue May 17, 2022 7:35 am linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Have you considered building a sound box?

I have seen this and forgot about it. I might do this. And I have the older central pneumatic 10 gal compressor from harbor freight. More inclined to get a large additional tank only and build a sound box for the compressor itself.. than to buy a second compressor, unless I find a larger one for cheap used on CL. Mainly because my garage electrical is limited in amps and getting the breaker flipped when I trip it is a real PIA.
Tue May 17, 2022 2:08 pm

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Tue May 17, 2022 2:08 pm linkquote
Tried an extra tank many years ago. Can't remember the issues, but it ended up in a rust pile at my shop.

Also quick-built a box with a few holes out of 2" foam and adhesive from Home Depot. Similar compressor ran for 5 years of daily use before the motor burned out. Lifts off easily to drain the tank, etc.
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