Modern Vespa

Hello all, I have recently bought a new 2021 mp3 500 sport advance and due to a disability i need to put a delay on the tilt lock unlocking to save me having to put my feet down at slow speed, I have a plan I just need to know where to put it in the wiring loom so if anybody has or knows where I can get a wiring diagram please help.
Thanks
Dave

Some MP3 manuals here:
https://manuals.wotmeworry.org.uk/Piaggio/Piaggio%20MP3/

However, I would strongly advise against putting any time delay into the unlocking - if you've ever started off with the front wheels not quite centred but you're trying to go straight you'll know exactly why. Even hacking the ECU to make it unlock at say 2,400 rpm instead of the designed 2,000 rpm would be a no-no.

Regardless, you shouldn't have to put your feet down at slow speed on any motorcycle until you come to a stop. Why do you wish to?

Hi, thanks for the reply the only reason is disability 4 years ago I had to swap from a normal 6 speed bike to a Honda dct because i can't move my foot well enough to change gear, now I have got to the point where the MP3 is my last shot at riding but some times I am unable to lift my feet off the foot boards when going at slow speeds in traffic or a car park for example which is OK when coming to a stop but not slow speed stop start when there isn't time for the tilt lock to come back on, trust me I have fallen off to find out, if I could just keep it locked at walking pace I would be a very happy man.

OK - *If* you had a separate switch to allow the delay to happen, so you could use it on smooth roads, then it might work for you, as an experienced rider already. Also, you might prefer to only keep the centre tilt-lock working with the suspension locks disabled.

Moving this to the MP3 section.

Yes that could be the way to go.

I understand your problem entirely if your ankle or foot has no movement. From my personal experience you will have to alter your riding style when stopping and starting off as i have had to. Leave the tilt lock alone and use it only when stopped and unlock before setting off.

Unfortunatly I can't alter my riding style it's my legs that are no good, some times I have to put a strap round so I can lift them on to the bike, it's very difficult to stop riding it's one of the few things that keeps me going on the darker days so I need to keep coming up with what seems to most people as stupid ideas just to keep riding.
Anyway I have tried it with a 5 second delay on the tilt lock when setting off which is OK on smooth surfaces but very twitchy on rough surfaces so I am going to try it without the suspension lock like the Yamaha Tricity.

Have a look at this thread. Tilt lock modification, or fix.

I'd be very interested to know the outcome.

Don't think i was knocking you ,i'm disabled and i know all about ' black dog days',my way of getting back onto a m/c was to build a combo and put a klictronic gear change on it. I then bought a fuoco for better or worse unseen /never been on one and made myself ride it and found various mods were needed to make it better for me ,now thinking of a honda 750 x adv to get back to two wheels as i need a automatic gearbox.

3legsofman, sorry if I was a bit snappy I was having a bad dad feeling like I had wasted my money on the MP3 because it didn't do what I thought it would.
I had a XADV for a few hours on demo and it felt a bit wide and top heavy to me but when rolling it was excellent, had i known about the lowering dog bones for the suspension at the time I would of bought one but bought the NC750 instead and found that a very underated bike and I would still have it if my legs were better.

I think alot of people look at the mp3 as a easy way solution to there problems with riding a bike especialy if you have mobility issues, i did and found it wasen't that easy. The weight of the bike,seat height and riding position were my problem ,there so heavy and very top heavy at that. I had a sit on a xadv and while the sitting position had many similarities with the fuoco due to the wide seat and similar feet down position ,a xadv with the 30mm lowering arms would be a big improvment ,just as lowering the fuoco rear end with shorter shocks and better quality ones is Also the xadv was far lighter at a standstill when moving it from side to side.One thing i've only recently found that when coming to a stand still is to only use the rear brake to do the final braking before i put my feet down as the brakes are so very good i found i was stopping to fast for me to get my foot down and balance. It's a bit difficult to explain properly but it does help.I'd love to get a ride on a xadv but there not easy to find up north and i mean alot further north than yorks.

That should be standard practice for any motorcycle, except in an emergency stop, otherwise you'll get the 'dive' which flags the rider as poorly trained. If repeated, it can lead to a 'minor' on the UK Part II practical test.

this seems like a real challenge to accomplish electronically. you would need to trick ecu into thinking the bike is going slower than it actually is. have you considered a mechanical method? my thoughts. use a parking brake lever from a yamaha bike (tmax, majesty400) that mounts on left hand control. run a cable to the mechanical fork brake lock. it could still function normally as either cable could do the job of applying the mechanical lock.

I tried it without the suspention lock yesterday,I removed the rods after reading the other thread (thanks for the link Jimc) bolts are 130mm x 10mm with a washer at each end and a lock nut for anybody who is interested, I must say that I prefer it like that and it will still stand up at junctions and stop lights if you keep still or if you put your feet down it seems to require less effort but it is not so easy to get off luckily I ride with a friend and he puts it on the main stand so it is easier for me to get off.
The next thing I am going to try is a progrmable relay so I can alter the release time when setting off, hopefully I should have this done for Sunday so I can test it, you can set it between .5 of a second and 60 seconds so plenty of scope, I think I have sussed out the wiring diagram and I am going to connect it up so it is easy to reverse back to standard when I sell it.

Just spit ballin' take it for what its worth
I think the maximum speed of lockout could be determined by the rpm, without any input from the ASR/Antilock system
Someone with a modified clutch could confirm my theory
If this is true
You could change the clutch springs so the centrifugal clutch will disengage at a higher speed
After the clutch disengages it will allow the motor to drop down to idle speed earlier enabling lock out

Another possible avenue is changing the tone ring

The locking out while rolling thing is a matter of not struggling since you can't lean & steering bars only which feels wrong

It's not the slowing down I have a problem with it's setting off, if I can give it full bore it's no problem it's in traffic stop starting that I struggle.
It is the rpm that cotrols the tilt lock because you can switch it on and off when it's on the main stand so there is no imput from thesensors on the front wheels.

Sounds to me like this is a case of the mind is still willing, but the body isn't in regards to riding a bike.

A CanAm might be in the cards if riding is a must.

I had a look at a CanAm as a last resort but they have a foot brake not on the bars like a normal bike set up but then I found the tilting motor works web site so it could end up being a Gold wing DCT tilting trike.

jimc you obviously are under 21 yrs of age and have never ridden 70 + year old motorcycles with useless brakes and had to wear boots with dunlop K70 or avon supreme soles in the hope that you could hopefully stop sometime before you hit something hard or run out of road. The fuoco's front brakes are VERY good infact probably the one thing that piaggio got spot on .It's still a habit i have with the front brake as also riding a outfit with twin front discs and 3 yes 3 front calipers are needed to stop the brute. Not helped by my brain telling me that the throttle likes being wound to the stop position

I had a ride on the CanAm in the hope it was gods gift to me and while it was nice the one big failure to me was that it did not bank. I also looked at Tilting works and was seriously thinking about a harley but the price was putting me off ( i do i think have some yorky blood in me i'm ashamed to say being a lancastrian)

Similar problem with me ,my solution is to leave a bigger gap between me and the vehical in front and not set off as soon as the vehical in front does you do have to alter your way of thinking about how you ride, I'm sorry but it's difficult to explain and i'm sure your trying your best to find a solution to your problem i've had the same for many years and had to adapt my life to suit my disability like i don't walk on roofs or climb ladders anymore i get some other idiot to do it Keep trying you will get there think positive.