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it looks like the px lusso (mine) and t5 use some funny alternate parts, some of which are not in production...
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brake cable with adjuster
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/cable-brake-front-sip-performance_94180960 missing arm https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/brake-lever-sip-front_17956941 also needed M6 nut, flat washer, lock washer I think I've sorted it! |
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Oddball tasks while awaiting engine parts.
New connectors for the tail lamp harness and tail lamp to mate a px bike with a Stella lamp. Patch a hole in the seat that mor gave me from the lend a helping hand thread. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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That looks good as new! Did you also use some of that vinyl repair paste stuff they used to sell As Seen on TV, too?
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I haver the original Euro spec rear P200E tail light fixture if you need it. I am running the tractor style(US specs).
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So I used a 3m vinyl repair kit from O'Reilly that I had sitting around. The adhesive had dried out but the color bottles that you use to make the repair were still good, it's been a while. Shoe Goo is pretty good for attaching the backer and filling the gap. I repaired a small tear on my Ninja seat a while back and it has held up, so I think this will work. It's not perfect in the light but it won't grab your attention either.
scooterist - thanks but I've got 2 of these Stella ones already, and I'm good with them... Oh - and I would have polished the chrome on the strap holders but my 20+ year old bottle of chrome polish seems to have dried up! |
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BTW don't forget to check which staples are loaded in your gun - I had 1/2" in there and poked one through, had to go back and put 1/4" in the gun to fix it
![]() I still have to repair a sprint seat I got for the VBB in the trading fest as well from hibbert. Beautiful seat, I'm confident it will work out now that I did this one. ⚠️ Last edited by sdjohn on UTC; edited 1 time
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engine parts arrived!
I'm doing the whole check the stack thing for clearance, but I see that the spacers are totally different on EFL/Stella and so I'll have to go look up what the allowed spacing is and what the available spacers are. The clearance is tight (0.09mm) according to the old specs. My question is that these gears appear to be different - my old and new 4th side by side. The old is 0.390" (9.9mm) thick on just the gear part, and the new is 0.435" (11.0mm). I double checked and yes I did order the EFL version and I think we got it, but I'm not sure why these look different so I'd like a sanity check here. Do we need more pics to somehow confirm that yes this is efl? ![]() |
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scooterist wrote: I haver the original Euro spec rear P200E tail light fixture if you need it. I am running the tractor style(US specs). PM price etc Also... man that seat repair is ace!!! Well done. |
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sdjohn wrote: engine parts arrived! I'm doing the whole check the stack thing for clearance, but I see that the spacers are totally different on EFL/Stella and so I'll have to go look up what the allowed spacing is and what the available spacers are. The clearance is tight (0.09mm) according to the old specs. My question is that these gears appear to be different - my old and new 4th side by side. The old is 0.390" (9.9mm) thick on just the gear part, and the new is 0.435" (11.0mm). I double checked and yes I did order the EFL version and I think we got it, but I'm not sure why these look different so I'd like a sanity check here. Do we need more pics to somehow confirm that yes this is efl? |
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36 tooth 4th gears rule the world!! so much nicer to get that 3-4 spread closer whether it's stock or tuned
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That seat repair is incredible. I know its going to be visible but wasn't expecting it to be that good.
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(Waiting for gear shims…)
Lever install, I thought the lower hole was threaded, but if so these are both stripped… best I can do is get the nylock on there and hope it’s ok to allow it all to turn? Ok or ideas? ![]() ![]() |
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All right I’m thinking we do have to do something on the stripped lever holes based on this:
clutch and brake lever/ headset problem My first guess: jb weld the nuts to the headset or tap to a larger size and adapt a screw and nylon bushing. |
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And for the center stand, after hammering the floor flat, perhaps these?
plate for under the scooter: https://www.scooter-center.com/en/centre-stand-reinforcing-plate-td-customs-vespa-px-t5-125cc-lml-2t-3331708 strips for on top: https://www.scooter-center.com/en/centre-stand-reinforcing-plate-upper-frame-td-customs-vespa-px-t5-125cc-lml-2t-3331711 |
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sdjohn wrote: And for the center stand, after hammering the floor flat, perhaps these? plate for under the scooter: https://www.scooter-center.com/en/centre-stand-reinforcing-plate-td-customs-vespa-px-t5-125cc-lml-2t-3331708 strips for on top: https://www.scooter-center.com/en/centre-stand-reinforcing-plate-upper-frame-td-customs-vespa-px-t5-125cc-lml-2t-3331711 The underneath centerstand plate is nice, but at 2mm thick AND being stainless steel, it will distort a little bit (i scale in around a $155). I'd like to see a plate that's at least 3mm thick, but preferably 4mm. But that's just me. Something under there is better than nothing. It also be very simple to fab up your own stainless plate as well. |
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You might try a timesert instead of a coil. Timesert's are solid and may offer a bit more support.
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Hmm ok worth a look!
Making figure 8's to lap a head and barrel today. Honed the cylinder, now it all needs a good parts washing. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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A first try at feathering out and primer, but there are areas that clearly need more feathering. I was surprised by the flash rust and hurried up and resanded it off and hit it with etching primer to stop it. I didn't have a good plan though, and do some of it got botched up while trying to kept the rust off the rest.
I will take it back out and rework the rough spots before getting into real primer phase. ![]() |
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Christopher_55934 wrote: You might try a timesert instead of a coil. Timesert's are solid and may offer a bit more support. https://www.timesert.com/ |
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Just leaving myself this here for later, these crash bars were in Greasy's pile and I'm going to polish them up and install them but I'd never seen it put together correctly...
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New shim arrived, .3mm clearance = time to build!
Wet sanded primer with 400, found a few spots where I went through to etch primer, added a spritz more coverage, will hit with 600 next. Ordered center stand reinforcements. Title arrived today from Saints Cycle, time to think about heading to DMV but need to locate a loaner carrier, modkuo has the one I last used, will need to hit up local friends or Craigslist. Front fork question - when I drop it to put this fender on, can I plan to reuse the fork bearings or will I need to do new bearings and races? ![]() ![]() |
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So long as they're not worn, you can re-use the bearings and races. They should be caged bearings, so no adventures in loose greasy bearings shooting across your workshop, somehow leaving greasy trails and disappearing entirely at the same time.
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Thanks chandlerman. I will protect them when i take it apart - I may need to stick the Stella fork in there to keep it a roller while I do some fork cleanup.
I assume that they must be replaced together i.e. no new caged bearing unless you do a new race - that would be typical. |
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it's not an all-or nothing thing. You only need to replace the races if they show signs of wear, usually dimpling where the bearings have worn into the races. I'd be surprised if you had that situation, though.
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just a heads up that getting the races on/off of the fork and out of the fork tube, isn't easy. Once you've got them off, for install shrinking the outer for the fork tube in a freezer bag, and gently heating the inner for the fork to expand it, helps. But I didn't enjoy it, and wouldn't do it again unless I found obvious dimpling/wear (which, to be fair, I did have the first time, motivating the effort)
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xantufrog wrote: just a heads up that getting the races on/off of the fork and out of the fork tube, isn't easy. Once you've got them off, for install shrinking the outer for the fork tube in a freezer bag, and gently heating the inner for the fork to expand it, helps. But I didn't enjoy it, and wouldn't do it again unless I found obvious dimpling/wear (which, to be fair, I did have the first time, motivating the effort) I had to replace the races on my GL and my VBB and it was a miserable task both times. And assume that you'll need to re-tighten the fork nut afterwards, because you won't get it quiiiiiite on there, so it'll eventually work its way down while riding and cause the front end to shudder when braking. |
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that's exactly the feedback I was after - if it isn't obviously worn but the bearings are sketchy, I can feel free to do the ball portion only. thanks guys!
I've never dropped a fork except to part the stella and to get the VBB into my rafters. Suffice it to say I've never put one back together at all yet ![]() MV rules. What's funny now is I'm so into this fender thing and watching retrolad on youtube that my enthusiasm for finishing the engine is almost outweighed by my interest in learning these other skills. Nevertheless, I want my bench back!! So buttoning up will begin shortly. |
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so my new discover today - you can pay licensed mobile inspectors to come to your house and do the DMV verification thing. this way I don't have to haul the bike to the DMV to get the VIN inspection. Without plates I wasn't gonna drive it there and I was having trouble figuring out the logistics of borrowing a carrier, getting the bike to DMV, and getting it back because my daughter is always stealing my ride
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