Modern Vespa

Sorry, sorry.

The OP rides a 2019 Primavera. He is not bashing Vespas, he said he's glad he didn't buy a 300, and he's bashing the HPEs in particular.

I agree that people buy them because they have a unique look. I also feel people when spending a premium expect a higher standard of quality and reliability. YMMV

Agreed that some people have that expectation. But those people are fools.

My Honda. Rebuilt head at 8,000 miles. Water pump at 19,000. So there's that. All D.I.Y. without separating the motor from the frame. I'm a fan of function not form.
I've only ridden 3 types of scooter. SH150i, BV350 and GT200. It only took one ride to know I didn't want to ride a Vespa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeglesB0qDk

Well, TC probably isn't gonna want to wade into this when they log on next

Hi buddy, here is something I posted on another thread. 😊

Vespa in our part of the world (asia) involves a lot of passion. I wouldn't say it could rank amongst the Ducatis or triumphs or harleys but certainly most owners heart flutters when they see their vespas. It's a little piece of gear that we would accessorise, give it a good clean once a week. And then we will admire it, take a pic, and post it on our fb page.

Vespa do have reasonably good quality, but if utilitarian use is a main consideration, I will go Japanese all day. Daily operation radius of 10 miles, probably I will go for a Honda pcx, any bigger operation radius ( 15 miles and beyond) my choice will be the yamaha Xmax 300. Nobody beats the Japanese in quality here.

I have a 2018 Gts, really perfect ride for me. Had 3 earlier sub 200cc vespas, but when the gts arrived. I really found my perfect ride. In terms of size/manoeuvrability/power triangle, it ticked all my boxes. I do yearn for a bigger cc vespa, but deep down, I know at 300, the above triangle parameters is all just right, anything bigger, the triangle will be compromised.

Here are some of my personal opinions about the HPE. It was really exciting when the HPE was launch, I applaud Piaggio for that move, instead of just increasing the cc to meet user demand for a slightly more powerful engine than the previous gen whereby so many manufacturers do. They actually started with a clean sheet, looked into every part, and made a more powerful machine with all the available technology of the day, without increasing the cc.

This cc increasing trap is something manufacturers do not really understands. Yes it meets a demand of the increasing power hungry customer base. But unknowingly, there are some that stays away from bigger cc. We can already see this in the Honda Africa twin, Honda realised the 1200 is not moving as desired. So very quickly they are moving into the 850 market to capture the 'why do I need a 1000cc machine category' This vicious trap, we can see even clearer in Harley, they have moved to the 1800cc category. It is really a move that is isolating users that do not mind a 1500cc machine sitting at their garage instead of a 1800cc unless you are a diehard fan.

Back to my HPE views. My model is 2018, pre HPE, advantage of it. Longer belt life (15000km). Less of heavy engine oil consumption; with slight power compromise. U still can cruise all day happily in the 50mph to 60 mph range all day. I will recommend this pre HPE model if u can get your hands on it.

I am sure the Italians have heard about the HPE issues, let then sort it out for the next 2 3 years. I am sure the product will improve. Just like when they fitted fuel injections onto vespa lx(ie) initially, there were tons of problems regarding injection pump etc. But they will get their act right, nowadays no one complains about the fuel injection system.

Do post a pic of your vespa once it arrives. I am sure many of us will be really happy for you😊

Another reason for moving away from 1000cc+ engines is that some jurisdictions don't allow more than 100hp (75kW) to be sold. e.g. France has been like that for ages. So it makes sense to produce something that can be sold in all markets.

~hard eye roll~

Hi, I like to go on Chevy forums and tell them how much better my Ford is.

Super lame.

Also, you don’t need to separate the motor from the frame to do
either one of those on a vespa.

So perhaps a bit of introspection with thine self, proclaimer of Honda, may be in order.

Cuz you’re coming off sounding like an ass.

Oh, I dunno. I mean, it has taken me precisely zero rides to know I don't want a Harley. So there's that.

An opinion thread should be for opinions not name calling.

Excuse me for posting more than usual. I'm fighting a mucus plug in my lung(AKA pleurisy). Once it's over I'll get my life back. I'll stop offering my opinion. I should know better because I'm the red headed step son on this forum.
Hey look at that, I called myself a name.

Curious why you'd hang around here if you don't want anything to do with Vespas?

Doesn't make a difference to me either way, but not how I'd spend my time

And yet when someone sells their Vespa and say's good buy, members always post that you don't have to own a Vespa to be a part of Modern Vespa.

Man's wisdom walks hand in hand with his IDIOCRACY

Chill dude. I don't know your story. I've been gone from the site for a long time. Simple question

Also Germany.

I think there's a subtle but important distinction you're missing. Yes, we are quite open to people with non-Vespa scooters. This has never been in dispute. But posting here about how much you don't like Vespas is not going to accomplish anything positive for anyone.

If I went to a Chevy forum and posted about how lousy Chevys and GM products were (which, unsurprisingly, is an opinion that I do in fact hold) I would be a dick. But I don't do that, because it's a waste of everyone's time. And, well, I'm just not that much of a dick.

Two guys arguing over who should be on Modernvespa.
Neither of them have a modern vespa.

You're both equally welcome of course.

All I said is that I don't want to ride a Vespa. I was making a point that just because it's a Honda it's not perfect.
I don't remember ever saying Vespa's suck. But I will say that opinion threads suck. But it's my own fault for participating.

Then call me a fool because I would expect a higher standard of quality if I pay a premium on a scooter.

Come hang out in NSM, we’ll show you how the cow ate the cabbage.

Do you need me to take away your shovel? You’re only digging deeper…

There’s a “just walk away button” for a reason…

Sure you don’t need some
Electrolytes? Plants crave them too!

(President Terry Crews approves of this message)

48 hours ago was an interesting post, fast forward and now I’m just here for the popcorn and internet micro aggression show lol

Will admin consider setting up a chat space for detractors to air their views? So that the larger vespa community will actually get the story from the other side?

I personally think that each of us should share our own experiences, rather than tell others what we think about rides we don't own. In my case, I have (among others) owned 4 Hondas including one I rode from Boston, MA to Portland, OR; one BV350; and 4 Vespas (2 150s, a 250, and a 300). I currently choose a GTS as my regular ride. That is my personal experience.

Real talk: why should we care why other moto riders might dislike Vespas? I can't imagine any use I would have for that information.

I’d like to hear from the horses mouth about the 1200 mile HPE grenade.

What's wrong with transparency? I for one appreciate the openness to make an informed decision before I commit to buying a ptw. If all I get is information through rose colored glasses I am not getting all the facts. Many come here to MV in hopes a Vespa centric forum will be open about their experiences. I appreciate the OP opening the dialog. It may not have been the correct way to go about it, but at least it opened a dialog that some readily answered his concerns with their experiences with Vespa both good and not so good.

I do find it interesting that the OP, has not chimed in after dropping this rather hot potato on us. Mayhaps, our feelings or opinions, on the HPE, was not the intended purpose of posting.

Modern Vespa is here for a couple different reasons. One of those reasons is to help other Vespa owners and other scooterists. If someone needs help, then we’re here for that. That is the very essence of community service, and it is MV's raison d'être. I don’t care if it paints Vespa scooters in a good or a bad light -- if you need help with something, it is completely appropriate to post about it here.

Whinging about dealers or Piaggio corporate or just that you don’t like Vespas? Honestly, I care not one bit. I can’t do anything about it. It is orthogonal to MV’s mission to help other scooterists. And if someone is here to complain and they’re a dick about it, I’m probably not going to tolerate it for more than a couple of milliseconds.

That’s a very Marbles move. He’s not the most consistent poster. He’ll drop in every couple of years and deposit something unceremoniously and then not be heard of again for awhile.

To be honest buddy, I couldnt care less too. Nothing will change my feelings for my vespa.

But there will always be detractor. I am just suggesting to provide a space for them to air their views.

There could be other interested readers too.

There is, in fact, a place for them to air their views. It’s called the internet.

Also, wanted to mention that in American English, this particular phrasing is usually considered hostile. Just so you know. The use of “buddy” in this context is not a word choice I would ever use in a polite setting.

Thanks for reminding my friend. In our part of the world. It's a friendly way for address people. I will take note.

No hostilities intended😊

I have spent a bit of time in Singapore, so I knew you were not being hostile. But others might not quite understand the context. No harm, no foul.

Or any other personal experience with a specific ride - good, bad, or indifferent. I'm certainly not the one demanding only good news.

Today my seller friend gave me borrow a little Primavera to go and get a spare part in the city (we are 5 km outside) and I am a child again!
Big as I am and on that toy it felt like driving a old scooter and what a shot!
First time on a modern Primavera. I've been here for years and apart from a few small criticisms (nothing is perfect) I like the Vespa ... what the heck, I also had a PX and three Piaggio / Aprilia scooters. But yes ... it's a Vespa forum and if you don't like it there are other forums.
Can I write this?
PS: if you have problems with the Vespa you can drink "almond milk", it has anti-cellular aging properties due to the presence of vitamin E, fat-soluble and antioxidant. It is useful for the eyes thanks to the rich content of vitamin A. Thanks to the high content of natural fiber it protects the intestine and promotes its proper functioning.