Modern Vespa

Results similar to wbdvt. We kept passing each other on the 2nd half.

BV250 with Malossi BBK. I was not shy about riding hard in the dirt or on potholed mountain goat roads. 70-75 MPH @ WOT. 325-350 lbs on board (rider + gear + tools + fluirds + parts).

32 psi rear, 29 psi front at sea level. Pressure was higher in the mountains. Never had to add air.

Pleasantly surprised at the traction and smoothness. Never got much of a wobble, even after they started squaring off. No slips in the rain or in the dirt, which was a surprise. I was probably a bit cautious and wasn't aware of it. Front seems to have gotten eaten up a little more, which was a bit of a surprise as I expected to burn through the rear much faster. Maybe I should have run a few psi higher?

These may be a budget alternative to the CG2's, but they certainly delivered for me.

Thanks for the report and your photos.
Angels on my Liberty.

O.S.

I've had Angels on my bike for a year now. I like them, but are already dead. I only ride maybe twice a week.

How many kms/miles?

That I can't say. I'm sure it's way less than a cross country trip across America. I have them on a PX. Maybe that could be why they didn't last long.

I had Pirelli Angel Scoots installed on my BV350 last October, with just under 11k miles on the scooter.

Had to replace the rear tire in June (approx. 8 months later), at just under 13k miles, due to a nail. Tread was still fine.

Front tire is still in great shape. I really like them, especially compared to the City Grips.

GotMojo (I mean I could PM you, but ... this is a PSA) rezvilla/cyclegear is still the "b"est place for the angel scooter tires, yes? I'm piling on the miles this Fall, FAST, as traffic gets worse and worse towards Christmas.

$155 ($71F, $85R) w/ free delivery to San Jose CA is the best I have seen today

Just ordered Angels front and rear for '18 Sprint and was also the best I could find today.

Steve

I put Angels on my Zuma a few months ago, but hadn't ridden it much until last week, when o rode around 100 miles.

I like the grip and ride, but they replaced 12 year old knobbyish tires, so they couldn't help but be better.

In the meantime, I have bought from Revzilla three more fronts and rears for the Vespas.

I will get two fronts and a rear mounted soon to try them out on the faster bikes.

One thing I liked about the tires is that, according to the DOT stamp, they were manufactured in mid 2021, so fresh tires.

Bill

thanks for the quick response G8R WLeuthold, ordered from revzilla.

I had the angels on the previous bv350 and they lasted hella miles. the CG's on the current bike is looking scary at ~7K mi.

more Q: has any one used cyclegear's tire changing serviec recently? I know not all of their tire centers do 14"/scooters, I found one that does, but I'm WEARY. That said, my local indy didn't balance last time and I was super annoyed considering how much they charged...

I asked Cycle Gear about mounting tires when I bring them to them.

They don't do 12" wheels.

I found a local shop, Favre Motorcycle Repair.

They have a professional tire changer and change them out quickly without ever touching the rim.

And they balance front wheels and fill them with nitrogen.

All for $25.00

Look for something like this near you.

Bill

My new Medley came with Maxxis. Last week , after 11000 km s they were replaced with Angels. $ 85 each, $50 each to fit.

I have the Pirelli Angel GT on my BMW 1100cc touring bike. They are obviously a bigger tire then scooter tires but have the same tread pattern. I've put about 2K miles on them. I like them. I had a local shop mount and balance the new tires. $28/wheel including old tire county disposal fee ($5) and new stem ($3). They told me to pump the rear up a bit more because the old tire had squared off a bit much.

Miguel

I have a Angel on the rear tire for my Liberty, waiting for the front to come in this month. Just having the rear for now I can't say anything bad about it. My front Maxxis OEM tire is now on the wear strips at 20,000 miles so I'm curious to see how a front Angel will handle.

I will need a new rear tyre next spring. On a BV 300.

The present rear tyre is now 9 years old and has done 21000km but has come close to the wear knobs. It is a Michelin City Grip. Original tyre. Not bad.

But I would like a bit more grip when weather conditions are not optimal: rain, wet surface.
I read the City Grip 2 is quite an improvement on the City Grip, but I also have found good comments on the Angel, so that is also an option.

Anyone that can compare?

I certainly can NOT compare, but I'm very interested in whatever answers you get. I'm in a similar situation with my rear tire. I'm looking at / saving for a set of CG2s but if a supply shortage makes them too hard to get I might need to go with the Angels.

I was wondering if there is any reason to expect a tire supply problem in the near future? If so, I better buy new tires now!

Like I'd written, a Cycle Gear nearby does tires down to 14", which serves my needs. 2 of my local moto indies can't even balance 14", hence I'm going with CG. Oddly, Maxxis USA does not carry 14" scooter tires, otherwise, I'd totally support Maxxis first, over any other brand, cause #TaiwanCanHelp 21000km is incredible, not just "not bad" . The previous CG I had to change at 10k mi; they were basically square slicks by then.

CG2 costs 30% MORE than the Angels locally. I can't imagine it performs 30% better, based on 4000k+ mi experience I've had with Angels.

You mean CG2's cost 30% less than Angels? I have to check that out.

I just tried to do a comparison on tire prices between City Grip 2 and Angels.

RevZilla only had three sizes on the City Grips available. No 12" at all.

They had many more Angel sizes, including 120/70/12 and 130/70/12.

On my BV 300 my rear tyre is a 14" 140/70 tubeless. They are available in City Grip 2 and in Pirelli Angel.

I had City Grips on my SYM CityCom 300. How did they do? No idea, the SYM got serious end play on the crank end about 50 miles into the new tires. Junked the SYM after that.

MORE. CG2s cost 30% MORE than Angeles, that was the entire purpose of the original post in this thread. Michi's are expensive, Pirelli scoot tires cheaper, and lasts a long ways.

I can't compare the City Grip 2 with the Pirelli Angel.

But I can compare the City Grip with the Pirelli Angel.

I rode City Grip tires for 3+ years. It was the only model in the size needed for the BCV350 that the Vespa dealer stocked. When the dealership was sold to another shop, my options became the City Grip 2 and the Angel. The Angel was cheaper, and was what the shop recommended, so I went with it.

The Pirelli Angel has, in my experience, better wet traction than the Michelin City Grip. The City Grip always felt "sketchy" on slicker surfaces, while the Angel grips perfectly.

I hope this helps.

It is a 140/70 14", on a BV300, not on a GTS. Larger wheel.

Not such a good job done by SYM.
It is unusual that the tyres live longer than the engine.

I see I misundertood.

I checked the prices over here in BE on a popular tyre site.
In the size I want, so 140/70 on a 14" rim and load/speed 68S.

Michelin City Grip 2: 63,43€ or 71,68$.
Pirelli Angel Scooter: 62,02€ or 70,08$.

Let us call that same price.

I think I go for the City Grip 2.

I am quite satisfied with the City Grip (1) that I have now on the scooter and if the City Grip 2 would offer a bit more confidence on wet roads then that is what I am looking for and that is precisely what Michelin claims.

I plan to check out if their claim holds.

No clue. I imagine these days that the 'best' place to get anything is going to default to whoever has them in stock.

I just ordered a set of Pirelli Angels from revzilla.

I can't wait to hear the new cuss words I invent while changing them.

where are you at in TN?

I am in kingston/harriman and change tires all the time

I'm way on the west side of the state. So, 5-6 hours from you. Thanks for the offer, though - I appreciate it! (This site is great!)

Performance wise, the Pirelli's are excellent, but this is what my rear tire looked like after just 4500 miles on a GTS300. It's worn thru the wear indicators and is effectively bald.

It looks like you made it home.

I am pleased about that.

Now out a new tire on that speedy scooter.

I was so pleased that you and Scott rode down for the Bridges Ride.

And welcome to Modern Vespa.

Bill

That tire has no wear on the side's, It must have been bolt upright for all 4500 miles

Or over-inflated?

I'm glad I came down, it was great 👍 Based on the overwhelming recommendations new CG2's should be here sometime today.

Look again. The actual "chicken strips" are decently narrow at the edges of the tread.

It's definitely got wear on the sides and I generally keep it at 30psi 😁

The last 1100 miles were put on over this past weekend and I had a fair amount of weight on the back (25lbs.?). It looked like it had about 50% of the tread left when I departed. I inflated it 34 because of the load, but by the time I got to Florida (450+ miles) it was at the wear indicators.