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1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 1980 Vespa P200, 2003 Stella 2T, 2008 Steall 2T, 2022 Royal Alloy 150 GT
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This is simply unbelievable. Buyers need a sanity check.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-vespa-with-sidecar-vespa-vbb-150cc/

I am sitting on a fortune....
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Amazing...
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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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Maybe we should all be selling on there because they seem to have the lock on rich dudes with huge holes burning in their pockets!
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Molto Verboso
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Adding a side car to any random bike adds $10k to its value in the rich retiree market.

It's funny. Those California sidecars that were sold by Vespa dealers in the US in the 1970s-80s, which are probably the best ones ever made for those scooters - no one ever wanted them.

Anyone I've known who had a side car used it briefly as a novelty and removed it. They make the bikes basically un-rideable. But none of these buyers seem to want to ride them.
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Is this for real?!?! It is selling for $24k with multiple bidders and less than an hour left
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hjo wrote:
They make the bikes basically un-rideable.
I agree! The only sidecar I've seen that I like is the Orange Unicorn - That thing looks badass! If it'll ever roll again, that is... Razz emoticon
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I currently am the high bidder.
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SIKE!
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No one is currently the high bidder. It's all phantom bids and bs sales.
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swiss1939 wrote:
No one is currently the high bidder. It's all phantom bids and bs sales.
Really? - I'm so gullible - That's why I don't watch the news anymore....

I fell for this one - reading the article in the dentist's office. I was so excited and intrigued about it, then.....I found out the truth..... I refer to this to keep me on my toes, but still get suckered into lame stuff...

https://non-aliencreatures.fandom.com/wiki/Hotheaded_Naked_Ice_Borer
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qascooter wrote:
I agree! The only sidecar I've seen that I like is the Orange Unicorn - That thing looks badass! If it'll ever roll again, that is... Razz emoticon
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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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rule number one- just cause it's rare doesn't mean it's desirable.
rule number two- pretty shit sells.

that is all
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'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '65 VBB, '66 Allstate SF, '66 180SS
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It will be interesting to see if it pops again in the future... "sold for 24K on BAT. asking 10."
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greasy125 wrote:
rule number one- just cause it's rare doesn't mean it's desirable.
rule number two- pretty shit sells.

that is all
I'm selling my Aprilia SportCity 50. Only $8500. Sure is pretty.

Anyone interested, PM me.
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I will part with all of my scooters and leave the internet forever for $1 million.
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greasy125 wrote:
rule number one- just cause it's rare doesn't mean it's desirable.
rule number two- pretty shit sells.

that is all
Truer words were never spoken- Cash burning hole in pocket+desire to impress people who will admire how beautiful it is (and the perceived rareness)=purchase for a fortune and ride it once or twice but show it to everyone who comes over to your cocktail parties.

If the worlds marketing geeks ever get a hold of the idea of incorporating vintage Vespas into current ads we will see prices go even higher. We can call it "The Luca effect"
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greasy125 wrote:
rule number one- just cause it's rare doesn't mean it's desirable.
rule number two- pretty shit sells.

that is all
Yep. Truth.
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I guess if this is the going price, I should clean up my rally and get a sidecar!
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I can understand the bitterness.
Here you all are - sidecar-less, and now sitting, mouth's agape, questioning your every decision.
Your wives are looking back at you like: what?!, as you just stare at them and ponder what if.

It's ok.
It'l pass.

-CM
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I’ve had some nice stuff in the past, purchased and enjoyed before such things became collectable and too valuable to risk on the street.

In a lot of ways the increasing value of these lovely old lumps has spoiled them. In the eighties you could go to a rally and count on seeing some properly rare stuff being used hard as the factory intended Now they’re never seen, rarely driven and their value means those of us who would use and enjoy them can’t afford them.
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keaton85 wrote:
I guess if this is the going price, I should clean up my rally and get a sidecar!
install a sidecar on both sides of your Rally and it sell for $48,000
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GTS250, 1975 VBC, 1980 P200E cutdown
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hjo wrote:
Anyone I've known who had a side car used it briefly as a novelty and removed it. They make the bikes basically un-rideable.
I can attest to that.

I had a P200 with a California Side Car and it was indeed unrideable.

It pulled to the right when accelerating and to the left when braking. My whole upper body would be sore after driving it 100 miles. I carried a 50 lb bag of sand so it wouldn't flip on right turns. It wobbled uncontrollable until I fabricated a steering damper. It needed a new clutch and rear tire every 800 miles. I could go on.

Everyone thinks a side car is cool until they drive one.
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I used to have some success with Mecum auctions online, buying the odd Yamaha SR500 or Suzuki Titan, at reasonable (for a retiree on a pension) prices.

Since the auctions started getting TV play, the prices have gone nuts, even for pedestrian UJMs from the 70s and 80s.

Now I search CL for ratty projects I can afford.
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vintage red matthew wrote:
Everyone thinks a side car is cool until they drive one.
This^^^^
I had a '77 BMW with a sidecar which was alright, even fun at times - but not all the time. Going thru front tires and clutches were not worth the hassle of having a hack. Upside was I would show up at a small motorcycle gathering and practically every single lady wanted a ride in that sidecar. It was good in the rain, which it does a lot in SE Florida, but it got old and I sold it after a year. Having to drive a bike with a hack vs riding a bike without is night and day.
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