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I’m watching Facebook marketplace for Vespa. I have not tracked this systematically but seems to me that bikes reasonably priced and in good shape move much slower if older than 2010. So if it’s a 2009 or older, demand seems less. I’m interested in a couple of Vespas older than 2010. I know all the issues with age, but get to that age and many fewer people seem willing to take the risk. If true, I need to be careful to pay accordingly in addition to the care of determining condition.

Make sense?
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I am going to be within 100 miles of you this weekend.

If interested, I could ride Rocket down and let you try it.

It is a 2006 Vespa GT with 100,000 miles.

It is not for sale at any price, but it might help you see how good the old ones are.

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Don't take it personally but I really never understood this way of thinking.

I currently own a 1973 Moto Guzzi with 326.000 kilometers on it, still running great, and a 1995 Suzuki Bandit with 100.000 kilometers, also running great.
The only car I've ever owned was a Peugeot Tepee that I scrapped at 430.000 kilometers.

I really can't understand what's the issue with age and/or mileage if the vehicle has been taken care of
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WLeuthold wrote:
I am going to be within 100 miles of you this weekend.

If interested, I could ride Rocket down and let you try it.

It is a 2006 Vespa GT with 100,000 miles.

It is not for sale at any price, but it might help you see how good the old ones are.

Bill
Bill, what a nice offer and I will take you upon it. I think I will see another ‘06 GT tomorrow so yours would be a great comparable. We could PM with details.

And, I don’t doubt the value of these old ones. I’m not afraid of turning wrenches. But I think most of the market disagrees.
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Don't take it personally but I really never understood this way of thinking.

I currently own a 1973 Moto Guzzi with 326.000 kilometers on it, still running great, and a 1995 Suzuki Bandit with 100.000 kilometers, also running great.
The only car I've ever owned was a Peugeot Tepee that I scrapped at 430.000 kilometers.

I really can't understand what's the issue with age and/or mileage if the vehicle has been taken care of
Don’t take this personally but if you actually read my post, you would see I am not taking any position to take personally. I’m just watching sales time and it seems the market buys newer.
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Yep, I read it but since English's not my mother language I wanna always be sure nobody gets offended if I write something in the wrong way

Actually I was referring to the sellers you was referring to, hence the "don't take it personally"
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Look - forget about the bloody 'market'. If you go into buying one of these with possible future repair (not routine maintenance) costs and resale value concerns, then it's not for you in the first place.

If you like it, you can afford it, and the price seems reasonable, buy it and enjoy it.

I can't be the only one getting a bit fed up with all the umming and arring in loads of separate threads.
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Bill,
PS, I ain't riding to Naples with you.
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Billrush wrote:
I’m watching Facebook marketplace for Vespa. I have not tracked this systematically but seems to me that bikes reasonably priced and in good shape move much slower if older than 2010. So if it’s a 2009 or older, demand seems less. I’m interested in a couple of Vespas older than 2010. I know all the issues with age, but get to that age and many fewer people seem willing to take the risk. If true, I need to be careful to pay accordingly in addition to the care of determining condition. Make sense?
Sure, older vehicles and vehicles with high mileage generally go at lower prices and are not in particularly high demand. That is hardly only true of Vespas. I'd go one step further. I'd say older and higher mileage scooters are best for those capable of doing most of their own maintenance and repairs. Older scooters can be a good deal when bought in good condition at a modest price and mostly maintained in your own garage. Now, if you don't have the knowledge, tools, or inclination to do much of your own wrenching.......
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Look - forget about the bloody 'market'. If you go into buying one of these with possible future repair (not routine maintenance) costs and resale value concerns, then it's not for you in the first place.

If you like it, you can afford it, and the price seems reasonable, buy it and enjoy it.

I can't be the only one getting a bit fed up with all the umming and arring in loads of separate threads.
Jim, while your replies can be incredibly blunt, you make a fair point. I can’t remember feeling so indecisive. The choices are complex but I didn't consider that my incessant wanderings were a problem here. You have succeeded in shutting me up. For now.
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Jim, while your replies can be incredibly blunt, you make a fair point. I can’t remember feeling so indecisive. The choices are complex but I didn't consider that my incessant wanderings was a problem here. You have succeeded in shutting me up. For now.
Remember, he isn't called the resident curmudgeon for nothing .

At least equally to the point, I don't think getting bogged down in the possible range of choices out there is really very helpful. The real point is your own preferences, intended ways of using a scooter, interest and willingness to care for one, financial resources, and what pleases you. Those things are mostly your call, though others can help you figure out whether a particular choice might tick a particular box. Good luck.
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If you like it, you can afford it, and the price seems reasonable, buy it and enjoy it.
THIS!
jimc wrote:
I can't be the only one getting a bit fed up with all the umming and arring in loads of separate threads.
You're probably not, but posts like this can sometimes offer up informational gems for those of us who are still learning. I love learning from the more experienced people, such as yourself, therefore I enjoy them. Nerd emoticon
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Bill,
PS, I ain't riding to Naples with you.
Ken
Ride it down means as far as Sebring, or Clewiston if we do a Lake Okeechobee loop.

I am not riding to Naples either.

Bill can meet us on our route.
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I've been there, believe me. But you have two scoots already, so I'd think Jimc's feedback is especially relevant:
you aren't desperate.
You don't need one.
Nobody else can tell you what you'll like.
Making money on reselling an old vehicles is... challenging.

So it's surely best to look at it as "if I'm looking at this used thing, it's almost surely a bad "investment" in purely monetary terms. I don't need it either. So - do I want it? That's where the "value" of the "investment" is squarely pegged. If yes. Buy. If no, forget it"
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Bill can meet us on our route.
If you can, just tell me a time and place. I’ll drive up if possible.
Bill…man of unending Vespa options.
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So it's surely best to look at it as "if I'm looking at this used thing, it's almost surely a bad "investment" in purely monetary terms. I don't need it either. So - do I want it? That's where the "value" of the "investment" is squarely pegged. If yes. Buy. If no, forget it"
Great advice. I “may” have been over thinking this. Crying or Very sad emoticon
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lol - like I said. I've been there. I'll probably be there again. Scoots are addictive
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As the owner of a 2006 and 2009 GTS, I wouldn’t hesitate if the price is right. 38K miles between them with less than ideal maintenance by a guy with ten thumbs.
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it's high riding time. ride what you got and then make a decision in fall when prices and demand come down.

knock it off with the mental masturbation. either pull the trigger and buy something or just cruise what's in your stable.

worst case you pick something up and drop a bunch of dough into it, enjoy riding it for a hot minute and flip it for a loss. best case you pick something up, drop a bunch of dough into it, enjoy riding it and flip it for a loss.

if you're looking for ROI and investment, scooters be not your game my dude.

hth
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greasy125 wrote:
it's high riding time. ride what you got and then make a decision in fall when prices and demand come down.

knock it off with the mental masturbation. either pull the trigger and buy something or just cruise what's in your stable.

worst case you pick something up and drop a bunch of dough into it, enjoy riding it for a hot minute and flip it for a loss. best case you pick something up, drop a bunch of dough into it, enjoy riding it and flip it for a loss.

if you're looking for ROI and investment, scooters be not your game my dude.

hth
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