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Hey there everyone. I've got a question. I got a 1962 All-State that I've had for a bit of time and recently decided to restore it. In doing so I'm rebuilding the engine and putting on a 2 port 177cc kit, with a SIP exhaust and a Dell`ORTO SI 24.24E carburetor from PX200. I'm also adding Vespatonic electronic ignition, upgrading the brakes with new Pinasco drums and new shoes and modifying my front fork with a damper, and I'll be keeping my 8" wheels. I'm doing this really just to keep up with modern day traffic, since I live in the city, not trying to break any land speed records. Anyway, my question has to do with the primary drive. The current set up is 22/67, do I need to upgrade it to something else? I'm leaving the 3 speed in and I might upgrade the clutch itself, but honestly I haven't gotten that far in. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I plan on uploading my progress as I go. Here's some pics of the paint, done by my good buddy Jason Small here in Dallas, one of the best painters in the country when it comes to doing restoration paint on bikes, the man is amazing and I'm super lucky to have him as a friend.
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That is going to be a killer looking scoot
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Next time I'm in Dallas I'm gonna look you up so I can see this in person
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I was on the fence for awhile about restoring it, but I don't ever plan on getting rid of it, so why not? Gonna throw a lot of money at something that isn't anywhere near what I put into it. But O'well that's how restoring things work. It's a labor of love. Now if I could find a correct era sidecar, everything would be great.
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I’ll be watching you progress.
I have the DR177cc kit on my VNB 4speed on 8” wheels and sometimes wish I had taller gears.
Launch to 3rd is fast and 4th hasn’t been peaked yet because I feel the rpms are too high.
But 50mph feels right.
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I honestly could go either way with stock igears or 23/65. The 24.24 may change my mind to 23/65. That would allow you to open up the primary and update it too.
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Welcome to MV MadTatts!

I've got a 62 Allstate also! I didn't take it all the way down, just added the front shock, and also a Pinasco 2 port 177 kit, and electronic ignition.

Check out this thread: 62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the road

Also, this is the engine rebuild thread: The tale of two rebuilds - VNB2 and VNB5

For gearing I changed out the clutch to a 22 tooth, seven spring LML clutch, then swapped out the 22 tooth for a 23 tooth DRT clutch gear. The only downside is I had to shim the clutch cover out 2mm to get the LML clutch to fit, after removing the usual material in the clutch cover itself. It's all covered towards the end of one of the above threads.

So the paint looks fantastic on your scoot - what type is it?
62 and 64 Allstate
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Upgrade the clutch.
SIP performance cables and housings.
City driving essentials
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Ray8 wrote:
Upgrade the clutch.
SIP performance cables and housings.
City driving essentials
What kind of clutch upgrade do you suggest? I've already got the SIP performance cables.
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You could send that motor to someone like Jonathan Gick and get him to fit a 3 port cylinder such as a VMC 177. He'll add aluminum to the cases and cut in a third port.
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Well I finally got around to getting all my parts for the All-State. And now I've got the 177cc DR kit put on. Everything should be back together by the end of the week.
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Looking good!
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Well I finally got around to getting all my parts for the All-State. And now I've got the 177cc DR kit put on. Everything should be back together by the end of the week.
Is your case welded up & milled for that or do you have the cylinder machined with using a thick cylinder gasket to cover the 3rd port? Looks like a thick gasket.
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Not welded up, thick gasket.
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Some progress.
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Did you check the fit on the floor rails before you had it painted?

SoCalGuy reminded me to do that at least three times on my GL and I still forgot, and there's some minor scratching as a result, so now I pay it forward by reminding everyone else, too

That's a damn nice looking bike already. Gonna be super-clean and you seem to be making good progress.
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What crank did you end up putting in it? I'm planning on basically going the same route on mine.
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What crank did you end up putting in it? I'm planning on basically going the same route on mine.
I ordered a stock one from Scooter Mercado.
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I ordered a stock one from Scooter Mercado.
Stock bronze bearing, or stock stroke and timing with roller bearings?
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Stock bronze bearing, or stock stroke and timing with roller bearings?
Roller bearings on the large end of the crank on both sides on the cases and needle bearing on the small end.
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Here it is together. Just need to do a few more things and it'll be running. Hopefully by this weekend.
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what a beaut
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Here it is together. Just need to do a few more things and it'll be running. Hopefully by this weekend.
Gorgeous! I couldn't help but notice the slew of two wheeled vehicles in the background.
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Gorgeous! I couldn't help but notice the slew of two wheeled vehicles in the background.
There are quite a few. But unfortunately those are not mine. This are my buddy Isiah Booth's bikes, and or customers he has. I do books bikes from time to time, when I have time, but I own my own business, a barber shop, and of late I don't have the time that I used to have. But here's some that I've built in the past.
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