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For the last couple months, it's been hovering at just under $5 per gallon. I stopped part way thru my ride today at a station I often stop at. $5.20 is the highest I've ever paid in the US.

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result of Colonial Pipeline hack I'm guessing.

mind you I don't really get why so many Vespa riders pay attention to fuel consumption ... it's so minimal 🙃
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mind you I don't really get why so many Vespa riders pay attention to fuel consumption ... it's so minimal 🙃
I wasn't complaining, just noting. Cheers! Miguel
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Looking on the bright side, the last time gas prices were really high (in 2008), MV's traffic stats hit an all-time high. I doubt we'll ever see that much traffic again, but the jury is still out on whether gas prices correspond to scooter enthusiasm.
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For the last couple months, it's been hovering at just under $5 per gallon. I stopped part way thru my ride today at a station I often stop at. $5.20 is the highest I've ever paid in the US.

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It's the gas tax. When the state has collected enough, they'll fix the roads. Facepalm emoticon
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Guess I’m lucky. $3.50 a gallon for Mobil 93 Octane in western Massachusetts this morning. It matters because my 26 year old Benz holds 100 liters and uses four times as much as my Vespa (witch, now that I think about it, is not bad since it has eight times as many cylinders and weighs about 13 times as much as the Vespa.)
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Looking on the bright side, the last time gas prices were really high (in 2008), MV's traffic stats hit an all-time high. I doubt we'll ever see that much traffic again, but the jury is still out on whether gas prices correspond to scooter enthusiasm.
Just a thought on that... In 2008, scooters were probably the cheapest mode of powered transportation. Scooters now have competition: e-bikes. My ebike (Juiced Bikes Cross Current X from San Diego California) cost as much as a 50cc Honda Metropolitan (a very nice scooter) at $2500. The Metro gets about 100 mpg (or at least my 2004 did). My ebike gets about 800-850 miles on $5.20 of electricity! It's top speed is 35 mph (I can't pedal much fast than that) and gets 40-50 miles per charge. No insurance, you can ride it in the bike lane or on bike paths with no cars so you can get across town faster because there's no traffic, maintenance is chain oil and occasional hydraulic brake flushing.

Scooters and e-bikes have other battery-powered transport competition as well: powered push scooters, powered skate boards, powered Unicycles and powered one-wheel skateboards. I see all of these around Santa Cruz and San Francisco. I typically see all these powered alternatives on Caltrain as well (a commuter train between San Francisco and San Jose through Silicon Valley). Did I miss any?

Maybe we need a new Forum Jess: Modern e-Powered Transport, presuming you don't have enough to do already

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Gas prices have always been more in Cali than in Virginia. Every time I go visit the weat coast I get pump-shock when filling the rental car. Last I checked premium/93 octane was $3.80 +/- .30 cents here in Virginia. After driving my old tatty Subaru all last week I actually gave my new Honda Fit a peck on the roof when it came time to fill her up today!
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California is the wrong state to live in if you want inexpensive gas. It's great if you want beautiful twisty roads (other than in the Central Valley).
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California is the wrong state to live in if you want inexpensive gas. It's great if you want beautiful twisty roads (other than in the Central Valley).
I LOVE living in California, even with our high cost of living and gas prices. Years ago, my boss asked me to run the company's Washington DC offices. I told him, "Fred, you can quadruple my salary, I'm not going. I love it here."

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best price in tampa right now

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I think premium is over $5 at many of the Chevrons up here around the Bay. Arco has been hovering around $4.50 for at least a month.
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I think premium is over $5 at many of the Chevrons up here around the Bay. Arco has been hovering around $4.50 for at least a month.
I was at a Mobil station just off 101 at CA156; about 10 north of Salinas. Miguel
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Oh yes? See how much a liter of diesel and a liter of gasoline cost in Italy.

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Oh yes? See how much a liter of diesel and a liter of gasoline cost in Italy.

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Oh yes? See how much a liter of diesel and a liter of gasoline cost in Italy.

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When I lived in Germany and also in Italy, the Germans would buy gas coupons before traveling to Italy.
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I think that was for ease of payment and a long time ago.

Someone reported more than 2€ per litre for premium last week. Of course it was the busiest weekend with summer holidays ending in some states and beginning in others.
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The most expensive gas I've ever purchased was in Mendocino. The locals warn you to buy gas ahead of time because Mendocino is overpriced. I thought "I ride a Vespa - how bad can it be?!"

Gas was $6.75 per gallon, when it was $3.30 in San Francisco. Wha? emoticon
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Oh yes? See how much a liter of diesel and a liter of gasoline cost in Italy.

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Damn - 7€ per gallon!

I'd heard gas in Italy was pricey, but I haven't had to buy it yet. At current exchange rates, that's 183% of what we pay locally.
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Yeah I now Attila. The US and Canada are lucky because we have oil under our feet. Miguel
In particular, the Chevron refinery is only about 40 minutes away. However, California's taxes are stupid-expensive, so we still pay significantly more than the places we ship our gas to. Facepalm emoticon
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Damn - 7€ per gallon!

I'd heard gas in Italy was pricey, but I haven't had to buy it yet. At current exchange rates, that's 183% of what we pay locally.

Now you know why having the scooter that consumes a liter for 40 (real) kilometers is the first thing I look at; in addition to this my car (1,600 cc gasoline and with added system for LPG) consumes 30 liters of LPG to travel 300 kilometers but in Italy LPG currently costs 63 cents per liter.
I would add that the modernity and efficiency of the LPG and CNG car systems built in Europe is so efficient that many car manufacturers have already suitable models in their list (including Mercedes and BMW).
A friend has an imported Chevrolet Silverado pick-up with a methane system (monstrous 130-liter tank!)
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Oh yes? See how much a liter of diesel and a liter of gasoline cost in Italy.

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Yes, but the distances between locations is somewhat different... I can do 3000 km and still being in the same state... In Europe doing 3000 km you have nearly crossed 5 or 6 countries...

Apples and oranges...
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Yes, but the distances between locations is somewhat different... I can do 3000 km and still being in the same state... In Europe doing 3000 km you have nearly crossed 5 or 6 countries...

Apples and oranges...
With wages on average from € 1000 - € 1200 per month? Then you go to work by bicycle ...
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Last April (2020) I paid $.37 for a gal of regular (with $.92 grocery card discount)
Told my wife, "Soon, I'll just stop in and they'll hand me some $$ to go away!"
Few weeks later pd this much......(w/$1.00 groc. card discount)

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Reg. running about $3.29 now in SW Ohio.

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$4.15, 93 Octane, Credit Card price is the highest I have paid here in NY.

The Average so far has been around $3.50 or so, with a low of $3.19 & a high of $4.50 or so. All in less than a 20 miles radius, within the past month.

Such grand price swings in such a small urban area only seem to explain the total lack of anything else controlling the prices except for greed.

It is a 20 minute ride from my old place in Levittown (mostly Blue Collar) to my new place in Plainview. Plainview is a much more affluent area and the price, does all the talking.
I rent a small room in a big house, btw and I am lucky to live here. The real estate market is as crazy as the Gas Prices on Wrong Island.

One place near my house is charging $4.50 a gallon for 93. It is over a dollar a gallon cheaper only a few miles/minutes away. There are no rivers, valleys or mountains between these gas stations that would justify using transportation as a reason.

It is all Bullshit. If they could charge me $1.89 a gallon last summer for regular then they can still do it this summer and every summer and still make obscene profits.

IMHO.

Thank you for letting me rant, I will be here all week, tip your bartenders and be careful out there...
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For the last couple months, it's been hovering at just under $5 per gallon. I stopped part way thru my ride today at a station I often stop at. $5.20 is the highest I've ever paid in the US.

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Gas prices in Europe have always been much higher than in the US but it seems to me the difference is getting smaller.
Today I tanked E10 in the scooter, E10 is unleaded 95 octane, for 1,498€/l or 6,67$/gallon (1 gallon = 3,785412 liter, 1 dollar = 0,85€)
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The town of Mendocino, CA gets the blue ribbon award for pricy gas. Back in January, it was $6.73 and is now over $7.00... or $1.85 per liter.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/06/03/most-expensive-gas-in-the-us-mendocino/
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The town of Mendocino, CA gets the blue ribbon award for pricy gas. Back in January, it was $6.73 and is now over $7.00... or $1.85 per liter.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/06/03/most-expensive-gas-in-the-us-mendocino/
I guess nobody fuels up there.
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Yesterday, I paid $3.80 per gallon for 93 octane in Tolland, Connecticut. Not bad. Recently, I've been looking at EV cars, but they are both expensive and hard to find in this area. We are not sure what we're going to do when our 2006 Sienna minivan finally stops running, but it gets only 15 miles per gallon, so pretty much anything would be an improvement.
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I don't really pay attention to gas prices locally.

Since I only put about 2.5-3 gallons in the scooter at a time, it's not that big of a deal. And in the car, I only put about 10 gallons in at a time.

On the scooter, the average cost per gallon of premium over the last 3 years has been $2.86. The last fillup it was $3.359/gallon.

I also don't bother hunting for the cheapest price, whether I'm in the car or on the scooter. In the car, $0.10 per gallon difference is only going to save me $1 per fill up. On the scooter, that price difference is about $0.25. It's not worth the hassle of hunting around.
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I've been driving a Fiat 500e since about 2015. It only has an 88 mile range, but my commute to work is only about 15 miles per day, and the car is fun to drive.

My first one was a lease, and was super cheap. After the lease was up, I turned it in and bought an identical lease return for about $13k out the door. Still super cheap. It goes through tires a bit quickly, but otherwise has been extremely low maintenance.

And, of course, I don't really buy gas any more, unless I need my truck for something.
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I've been driving a Fiat 500e since about 2015.
What will you do with your Fiat if you move overseas?

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What will you do with your Fiat if you move overseas?
It will likely be several years of part-time living overseas before we completely give up on everything we've established in California. I'll keep it for the short term. Not entirely sure how much life the battery has left, though so far it's not showing any obvious signs of degradation.
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Another thing the just occurred to me about euro prices: the variance is much bigger when sold per liter. Fuel in northern Italy seems to range from €1.50-1.76 per liter. That's a station-to-station difference of over €1 per gallon.
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Just wait until the media start reporting you can't get any. Then watch the price go up.
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Mendocino Ca. gas is/was $6.75 per Gal. Can't post the GoogleTube vid because it has political statements.
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Here in the Jax area, gas is $3.00 today. I got >13 gal. for $40.
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It will likely be several years of part-time living overseas before we completely give up on everything we've established in California. I'll keep it for the short term. Not entirely sure how much life the battery has left, though so far it's not showing any obvious signs of degradation.
You can buy an electric car in Italy through a nominee or an organization that does so and have a state incentive (even € 10,000) to reduce the purchase price.
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Just wait until the media start reporting you can't get any. Then watch the price go up.
It is already for days in the news here that there are problems with fuel supply in the UK and long cues at the petrol stations.

Seems absurd to me. Probably the result of mutual hoarding based on misunderstandings and rumours. (in Dutch hoarding is "hamsteren" and the word refers to the animal the hamster that collects as much food as it can find in the cheeks).

In the beginning of the lockdown there was this story about toilet paper that became completely sold out in Australia. Everybody laughing. But believe it or not some time later also here in Belgium toilet paper became almost impossible to find, all based on a rumour.
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It is already for days in the news here that there are problems with fuel supply in the UK and long cues at the petrol stations.

Seems absurd to me. Probably the result of mutual hoarding based on misunderstandings and rumours. (in Dutch hoarding is "hamsteren" and the word refers to the animal the hamster that collects as much food as it can find in the cheeks).

In the beginning of the lockdown there was this story about toilet paper that became completely sold out in Australia. Everybody laughing. But believe it or not some time later also here in Belgium toilet paper became almost impossible to find, all based on a rumour.
The petrol stations around here are all shut now for the last few days. I am glad actually as before that there were cars queuing to get in and blocking all the streets causing chaos. The army will now help deliver the petrol. Don't ask me how we got to this situation as it will get political and I will get kicked out of the thread Facepalm emoticon
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Another thing the just occurred to me about euro prices: the variance is much bigger when sold per liter. Fuel in northern Italy seems to range from €1.50-1.76 per liter. That's a station-to-station difference of over €1 per gallon.
That is not a matter of selling per liter. It is free market, or almost free market because in most countries there is a maximum price set by government and updated per day. But as a seller you can freely reduce your selling price below the maximum price.

The fuel price largely depends on the area you are in. In populated areas with many petrol stations there is more competition and you usually get better prices than in low populated areas with few stations.

Here in Belgium normally the highest prices you find along the highways because there are not many petrol stations along the highways.

But I noticed and I think typically in Italy along the highways when a petrol station is announced there is also a sign telling you what the prices are in that station and what the prices are in stations further down the highway and how far they are. And then you can decide: no I will not fuel up here but in the next station. That creates more competition and prices are in my experience really OK along Italian highways if you take a bit care and if your car has a decent fuel tank and low fuel consumption.

(Really OK meaning then with respect to Italian prices that are quite high. Nevertheless Italy has the second highest amount of cars per habitant in Europe after Luxembourg)
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The petrol stations around here are all shut now for the last few days. I am glad actually as before that there were cars queuing to get in and blocking all the streets causing chaos. The army will now help deliver the petrol. Don't ask me how we got to this situation as it will get political and I will get kicked out of the thread Facepalm emoticon
No, I am sure it is not something political. It is just the result of a rumour of shortage, maybe made more credible due to brexit.
But the same could have happened with any product, even with toilet paper as we experienced last year, if for some reason everybody at the same time decides to buy some stock there is never enough.
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