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I missed that not being able to mention guns. My apologies it won't happen again. I did see where we had to be nice and not discuss politics and agree that it is necessary for civil discussion in a forum to avoid some topics. Missed the gun part.

I will go back and study again.
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I strongly that that will motivate people to move to alternative fuel sources.

BTW, discussions about guns is not allowed on MV as stated in the Posting Guidelines, the first thread at the top of the forum page.

Cheers
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It's discussion about gun *laws* that's forbidden.
Offhanded commentary about shooting little clay discs is pretty harmless, at least IMHO.
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I removed it just in case. I don't think it was against the spirit of the rule but the thread has already been warned about skirting the politics so just got rid of it.

Did you read the coolhunt? I am curious to know if others find that as fascinating as I do.

Thanks for the heads up Miguel, better safe than sorry.
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"If you want to understand how trends work, and why coolhunters like Baysie and DeeDee have become so important, a good place to start is with what's known as diffusion research, which is the study of how ideas and innovations spread."

"One of the most famous diffusion studies is Bruce Ryan and Neal Gross's analysis of the spread of hybrid seed corn in Greene County, Iowa, in the nineteen-thirties. The new seed corn was introduced there in about 1928, and it was superior in every respect to the seed that had been used by farmers for decades."
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The performance scooter parts for my wife thing sounds great but not quite sure how to sell it. Advice welcomed.
Why not tell her she'll be regarded as an "early adopter" .<G>

I remembered the Gladwell article, but just reread it, wherein he concludes,
"Coolhunting represents the ascendancy, in the marketplace, of high school." Scary to think a few young progressives can steer the machine.
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Did you read the coolhunt? I am curious to know if others find that as fascinating as I do.

I haven't but I will over the weekend. Looks interesting.
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Latest price here in NZ for a litre of 95 ron, that makes it $12.19 NZ a gallon or $8.30 US ouch
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Pleasuring your Girlfriend with a kettle!!

Not the most comfortable of sex toys one would imagine?
Ah, I knew somebody would go there…poor Bill.
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Indeed, I am, and I did: literally an hour after the details of the returned scoot had been squared away (I think the original buyer chose another model), the dealer called me, asked if I was interested, and offered a discount (w/full warranty et cetera), along with a full check-up to make sure everything was in order. (All of 26 miles on the clock.) Took me all of ten seconds to say hell to the yeah, and to transfer my initial deposit to that bike. Good thing, too, since I've seen exactly one GTS in the showroom the other day, and it was spoken for. Of the eleven* scoots in the Vespa showroom that day, six were spoken for.

(* If I recall correctly, there were two Sprints and three Primaveras, the rest being various Piaggio Libertys.)
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A new friend saw me roll up to a dinner party on my Vespa last month. She ordered one the next day.

Her choices were white, Super grey, 75th Anni, or wait until May. She took white. I don't think it would have been her preferred color, but it was the only one with an analog dash that didn't have a 3+ month long wait.
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You folks all have a strong measure of smarts and wisdom. I can tell
this from your excellent posts.

Here is the Catch-22. Natural gas and fuel determines the price impact
on everything from delivering goods (trucks), moving people to work, heating
our homes, fertilizing our farms that you can not beat joe public up with
unnecessary costs and impacting the economy by moving to fast to
climate friendly renewables.

It has to be phased in.

Also, I am concerned about a massive back lash against improving the
environment and climate change initiatives as we hold a gun to the
head of everyone at the fuel pump.

Hey, call me off base. I think common sense and correctly managing this
is more important than feeling good about everyone making sacrifices.
I do appreciate all of you who do pitch in by conserving energy.

I am positive about those with good will sorting this out.

Bob Copeland
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I think that the common sense approach would include buying a smaller, more fuel efficient car, to be encouraged to ride motorcycles and scooters and having less children because that's where the consumption starts.

Maybe even get on a bicycle once in a while.

Possibly even walk to the gym rather than drive there ? You could ironically run there I suppose.

Because too many of us are driven by the desire to have something bigger, faster , stronger ( which is driven by advertising ) going in the opposite direction is an anathema to us.

What about conserving what we have by reducing our dependence on it ?
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Maybe even walk to the gym rather than drive there ?
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I live in a large town about an hour from London and each day during the respective rush hours and the school run the roads are pretty much gridlocked.

The town has grown but the infrastructure hasn't.

The buses and the cycle lanes during this period are pretty much empty which tells me something.

We'd rather sit in traffic and complain about it and the rising cost of fuel rather than put our children on the bus or buy a bicycle to get to work.

I can often walk into the town centre quicker than a car will get there between the hours of 7.30 and 9am.

I fear that there is no hope.
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iwani wrote:
Latest price here in NZ for a litre of 95 ron, that makes it $12.19 NZ a gallon or $8.30 US ouch
Here the max price today for E10 RON 95 is 1,951€/liter or 8,21$/gallon.
The fuel prices are very volatile at the moment and considering there is actually no shortage I expect they will probably fall back to a more reasonable 1,7€/liter.
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Peter, do the Service Stations on the highways charge more than the rural ones over there ?
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Bob Copeland wrote:
You folks all have a strong measure of smarts and wisdom. I can tell
this from your excellent posts.

Here is the Catch-22. Natural gas and fuel determines the price impact
on everything from delivering goods (trucks), moving people to work, heating
our homes, fertilizing our farms that you can not beat joe public up with
unnecessary costs and impacting the economy by moving to fast to
climate friendly renewables.

It has to be phased in.

Also, I am concerned about a massive back lash against improving the
environment and climate change initiatives as we hold a gun to the
head of everyone at the fuel pump.

Hey, call me off base. I think common sense and correctly managing this
is more important than feeling good about everyone making sacrifices.
I do appreciate all of you who do pitch in by conserving energy.

I am positive about those with good will sorting this out.

Bob Copeland
Looking at the data objectively one can learn that on world level there was never before a higher emission of CO2 than in 2021, despite all these nice plans to phase out fossil fuels. There are nice stories on the one hand and reality on the other.

This back lash you refer to is already a reality in for instance France. Since 2018 they have there the so called "gilets jaunes" protests, in English "the yellow vests".
Just common people protesting massively against increased fuel prices and the ever increasing cost of living in general.
Basically they do not understand why they, the common people with moderate income, have to pay for all these costs made so called for "saving the planet".
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The planet will be here long after the next mass extinction event. How humans handle ego and greed will determine if that event happens in the near or distant future.
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Peter, do the Service Stations on the highways charge more than the rural ones over there ?
Yes they do. There are not too many stations on the highways over here.

Usually the cheapest fuel here can be found on larger roads just outside city centers where you find a high concentration of service stations.

I usually fill up in one of the gas stations on the "road to Antwerp" in Geel. There are 6 stations on some 2km of length. Normally they all offer quite a strong price reduction, except last week when they were all at max allowed price. Very unusual.

It differs from country to country.

In France you will find the best prices at these large malls they have like Carrefour or similar in rural areas.

In Italy the best prices can normally be found along the motorways. They have a simple system to encourage competition. Whenever you see a sign telling you in a few km there is a service station it is mentioned what the fuel prices are, and also how far away the next 2 or 3 stations are and what their prices are.
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Missouri isn't bad. I put premium in my car and it was $4.25. The cheapest unleaded was $3.70. It's increased but not at an accelerated rate.
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This may be simplistic but IMHO blaming government or "greedy" oil companies seems nonsensical and agenda driven.

It is simple supply and demand.
Not really. If fuel prices were simply based on supply and demand, there would be a lot less volatility.
in the US, Government does not control the supply or price of gasoline. Quite often the price at the pump is not reflective of the price of a barrel of oil, but more reflect what the oil companies believe they can charge based on public perception of world events. Gas prices go up immediately whenever the price of oil rises, regardless of when the oil used to make the gas being bought was sold. Whether you want to call it greed or taking advantage of an opportunity to dramatically increase profit margins, the energy companies benefit disproportionately whenever the price of oil rises.
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It is uncanny how the price of fuel at the pumps will rise quickly around the time of a global event ( even when there's no threat to the supply ) but it will take absolute ages for the price to return to normal.

Whatever that is anymore.
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Our beloved leader just announced a 25¢/l drop in fuel tax. Should cancel out a couple of weeks of price rises.
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.... to return to normal.

Whatever that is anymore.
there is no normal. there is only Zuul.
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Oh, also halved public transport fares for three months to get people out of their nice warm covid free cars and onto the bus which is perhaps neither covid free or warm.
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Not really. If fuel prices were simply based on supply and demand, there would be a lot less volatility.
in the US, Government does not control the supply or price of gasoline. Quite often the price at the pump is not reflective of the price of a barrel of oil, but more reflect what the oil companies believe they can charge based on public perception of world events. Gas prices go up immediately whenever the price of oil rises, regardless of when the oil used to make the gas being bought was sold. Whether you want to call it greed or taking advantage of an opportunity to dramatically increase profit margins, the energy companies benefit disproportionately whenever the price of oil rises.
this is the most important part. in common parlance it breaks down to: it don't matter what I paid for it, it's all about what I can sell it for right now.

to put this in perspective a barrel of oil today is nearly $20 less than a barrel of oil in 2008 when gas prices were at an average of just over $4 a gallon.

also, for those of us in CA, we get touched up for a little more than $1 per/gal on taxes and fees. my $6 is your $4.75 which is like, a 40 of king cobra and a bag of cool ranch dorits at the circle K on my fill up.
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"Bud Wilkinson here to explain the Law of Supply and Demand: we have all the Supply...so we can Demand whatever the fuck we want!" - Robert Klein, Mind over Matter, 1974
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amateriat,

You are a tower of insight. A veritable beacon shinning clearly through the
fog of double speak (your fault, my fault, his fault).

God bless, can common sense prevail. "If you do not have the supply,
you are F____ed".

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Ask rider for details.
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Not really. If fuel prices were simply based on supply and demand, there would be a lot less volatility.
in the US, Government does not control the supply or price of gasoline. Quite often the price at the pump is not reflective of the price of a barrel of oil, but more reflect what the oil companies believe they can charge based on public perception of world events. Gas prices go up immediately whenever the price of oil rises, regardless of when the oil used to make the gas being bought was sold. Whether you want to call it greed or taking advantage of an opportunity to dramatically increase profit margins, the energy companies benefit disproportionately whenever the price of oil rises.
I don't necessarily disagree about gas retail pricing but I am not referring to that. I am referring to oil supply and demand. The cost of most if not all commodities like oil are mainly dependent on supply and demand. This is what determines the spot and market futures price in the commodities exchanges. The price is not set by any entity or individual. This is also the baseline for the cost of end products.

At least this is my understanding of commodities price.
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this is the most important part. in common parlance it breaks down to: it don't matter what I paid for it, it's all about what I can sell it for right now.

to put this in perspective a barrel of oil today is nearly $20 less than a barrel of oil in 2008 when gas prices were at an average of just over $4 a gallon.

also, for those of us in CA, we get touched up for a little more than $1 per/gal on taxes and fees. my $6 is your $4.75 which is like, a 40 of king cobra and a bag of cool ranch dorits at the circle K on my fill up.
The crude oil market and the market for finished fuels like diesel or gasoline are 2 different markets.
It is indeed a matter of what I can sell it for right now. And sowing a bit of panic is helpfull.

By the way:
1$ per gallon of taxes and fees is nothing.
Today here in BE regular E10 fuel is 1,951€/l or 8,2$/gallon.
Of that 1,951€/l taxes and fees are 0,9391€/l or 3,95$/gallon. 48% of what you pay at the pump.
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Oh, also halved public transport fares for three months to get people out of their nice warm covid free cars and onto the bus which is perhaps neither covid free or warm.
As if people do not use public transport because of the cost.

In the city of Hasselt here in BE in 1997 free bus transport was introduced. The idea was to convince people to leave their car home and take the bus.

The reality was different: there were definitely more people taking the bus. Mostly elderly and people that otherwise would have gone on foot or on bike. The effect on car traffic was marginal.

But the cost was high and by 2013 it was over with free bus transport.
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Been holding at $4.25 US GAL here in Indiana. Which isn't as bad as other places. State legislature is looking at temporarily dropping state gas tax which is 30 cents a gallon and 49 cents a gallon diesel. Every little bit helps. I will be commuting with the 250 starting tomorrow and as long as temps hold.
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... And people scoffed at my 40L side cases. Who's taking the bike instead of the car to the grocery store, huh? That's RIGHT. Laughing emoticon
(I have a set of 30-40L soft bags for my next scooter, too.)

Ha. HAha. Hahaha.
MUAHAHAHAhahaHA!!
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... And people scoffed at my 40L side cases. Who's taking the bike instead of the car to the grocery store, huh? That's RIGHT. Laughing emoticon
(I have a set of 30-40L soft bags for my next scooter, too.)

Ha. HAha. Hahaha.
MUAHAHAHAhahaHA!!
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I can take more in the Vespa than I can carry by hand. Since I was car-free for 5+ years before I got the Vespa (and I live in a city apartment), that's basically my barometer.

Bonus points for keeping a duffel under the seat, so you can throw the overflow groceries over your shoulder for the ride home. Between the underseat bucket, kneeside bag hook, and a duffel bag, you can carry a significant grocery haul with a GTS.
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Location: Irving, TX
 
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2017 Piaggio BV350
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Location: Irving, TX
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Prices were down 5¢/gallon this morning.
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MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Location: Nashville, Indiana
 
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MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Location: Nashville, Indiana
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Filled up the 250 yesterday in prep for today's commute and it is the first time, that I can remember anyway, that the cost was in double digits and I had a quarter of tank when I started pumping.

Nice thing about an MP3 250 is it has tons of under seat room. Combine that with my large top case and passenger area and I can carry a lot so it will be my workhorse for commuting, grocery shopping and whatnot. Good thing I like to ride. Just hoping the temps stay average or above. This morning it was 39 F when I left home and I was a bit chilled when I got to work. I know people ride in colder but after 30 years in Florida I am still a bit thin blooded.
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
2009 GTV250 (Gone), 2003 Inder trailer (also gone), 2001 BMW R1100RT
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Location: Santa Cruz California
 
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2009 GTV250 (Gone), 2003 Inder trailer (also gone), 2001 BMW R1100RT
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Location: Santa Cruz California
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stickyfrog wrote:
Just hoping the temps stay average or above. This morning it was 39 F when I left home and I was a bit chilled when I got to work. I know people ride in colder but after 30 years in Florida I am still a bit thin blooded.
Have you considered a heated vest?
Miguel
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MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Location: Nashville, Indiana
 
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MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Location: Nashville, Indiana
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Miguel wrote:
Have you considered a heated vest?
Miguel
I have. Also heated grips. Looking to better equip myself for cold weather for next fall.
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