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Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:02 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
What hassle? I have more time than money. That's why I DIY maintenance. I don't drive across town to save $0.03 a gallon.
On the scooter, I never care about gas prices. At peak usage, I put less than 3 gallons in it per week. If the price per gallon is 5¢, at three gallons that's 15¢ per week. Or $7.20 per year (taking into account the weeks I don't work).

So if I filled up with higher priced gas every time, over the 5 years I rode I'd have spent $36 more than I would have had I hunted down the cheapest gas available.

Now that I'm commuting in my truck, I'm a little more concerned about the price, but not as much as some. I put between 12 & 15 gallons in each fillup, and the fillups happen anywhere from 7 to 10 days apart. If there are two stations across the street from each other, and the price difference is 5¢/gallon, but the cheaper station is inconvenient to get to while the more expensive one is easy to get to, I'll pay the extra price for the convenience.

So I agree with your sentiment.
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Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:07 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
What hassle? I have more time than money. That's why I DIY maintenance. I don't drive across town to save $0.03 a gallon.
I'm not being snarky; I keep 20 gallons on hand in my garage as well, but that's because we have a crappy electric grid and at any moment I'm only a storm or two away from having to run a generator for a week. But it's a bit of a pain loading up the gas cans, lugging them around, etc. If my only mission was to save a few bucks on fuel when the price goes up I'm not sure I'd bother.
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Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:13 am linkquote
I generally try to keep the gas can for the mower full, especially during hurricane season. In the city, not a big deal. In the country, I kept an extra 5-gal can as reserve during hurricane and snowstorm season. You can't bridge a global shortage, but you can (usually) bridge a localized panic-hoarding shortage.

(I'll never understand the panicked "OMG gotta buy milk and eggs!!" Why, you gonna make french toast in your snow fort or while you float downriver?)

Edit to add: Not ribbing anyone in particular, just the general difference between planning ahead and hoarding. Smaug vs ant/grasshopper.
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Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:45 am linkquote
monogodo wrote:
On the scooter, I never care about gas prices. At peak usage, I put less than 3 gallons in it per week.
(...)
On the scooter I also do not care.
Per year I drive some 4000 - 4500km (2500 - 2800 miles) and consume some 125 - 130 liters of gasoline (33 - 34 gallons).
Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:47 pm

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Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:47 pm linkquote
Miguel wrote:
Price per gallon today in Santa Cruz California. I've always thought Chevron and Union 76 were the most expensive stations but I've seen one other with higher prices but didn't get a picture.
Miguel
The local station by me (Mobil) that is always ridiculously expensive was $6.55/gallon for premium yesterday. I'm perfectly happy to drive an extra 4 miles roundtrip to pay $5.19/gallon to refill the Vespa or any of my other bikes.
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Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:55 pm linkquote
We're at 2,138€ / liter for regular (95 octane) and 2,395€ / liter for premium (100 octane). Two families control fuel in Greece and our great government imposes 60% taxes, plus VAT (24%) on refinery prices…
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Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:10 pm linkquote
Hope this link works if you're not in Australia ...

Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:47 am

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Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:47 am linkquote
I recently bought a 2022 Honda HRV (Small SUV). Yesterday was the first time I
filled it up from almost empty. Gas here is $3.99 a gallon - it cost $45 to fill up.
Last year closer to $27 to fill up. I know our fuel is cheaper than in Europe, but, it
still shocked me.

The gentleman at the next pump was fueling up his GMC Denali Tahoe (Massive SUV)
diesel ($4.85 a gallon). He saw me mumbling my discontent and said "Hey
my fill up is $116 - 16 miles to the gallon - I can't sell this Tahoe - no one will buy it".

The energy policies on this side of the pond are like a cowboy shooting himself in
the foot every morning.

Bob Copeland
Limping around in Minnesota
Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:00 am

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Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:00 am linkquote
Yes, and we didn't learn anything from 2008 did we ?
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Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:32 am linkquote
Pump stopped at $90.00 to fill the X2 this morning. $6.19 (well, $6.18 and 9/10)... granted it was 91 octane, but yikes. This is best price I've seen locally (North San Diego county).

Places right off the freeway are teasing closer to $7.00/gal.

I just keep telling myself that I pay $6-7 for a pint of my favorite IPA and toss a buck down as a tip without thinking twice about it.
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Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:33 am linkquote
Shebalba wrote:
I just keep telling myself that I pay $6-7 for a pint of my favorite IPA and toss a buck down as a tip without thinking twice about it.
That reminds me of the math I used to do before I got into PTWs when I bicycled everywhere. MPG in my car equals X amount of a certain food. Because high mileage cycling turns your appetite into a black hole.
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Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:43 pm linkquote
Is it illegal to pump your own gas in New Jersey? Are there any other states or areas that you don't do this? I'm not being critical. I've never encountered a gas station where there's even the option to not pump your own.
How does that work for scooters and motorcycles?
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Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:09 pm linkquote
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Is it illegal to pump your own gas in New Jersey? Are there any other states or areas that you don't do this? I'm not being critical. I've never encountered a gas station where there's even the option to not pump your own.
How does that work for scooters and motorcycles?
In most cases you cannot pump your gas in Oregon. When I lived in Portland it could really be a hassle as you waited for an attendant. Often, if they were not too busy you could have a quick chat.

The worst is when you are trying to return a rental car at PDX and possibly running late.. Waiting for someone to top you off can be maddening!

If I was on the scooter or motorcycle they would let me pump my own gas. I don't think anyone ever insisted they pump it, but they would ask if I needed help.
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Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:10 pm linkquote
Cheshire wrote:
Is it illegal to pump your own gas in New Jersey? Are there any other states or areas that you don't do this? I'm not being critical. I've never encountered a gas station where there's even the option to not pump your own.
How does that work for scooters and motorcycles?
For motorcyclists/scooterists, the take your card and swipe it, punch in your preferred blend, then hand you the nozzle. So, no biggie, usually.


Filling Up: It's DIY in Joisey, but only if you're on two wheels.



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Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:22 pm linkquote
Today I saw new EV Hummer truck/house on wheels. Feels like 08' again...

Side note: looked at a new Ford Maverick today and it was only $10k over sticker. I laughed and just walked away...


Strange times...very strange...
Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:51 pm

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Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:51 pm linkquote
brolsk2 wrote:
Today I saw new EV Hummer truck/house on wheels. Feels like 08' again...

Side note: looked at a new Ford Maverick today and it was only $10k over sticker. I laughed and just walked away...


Strange times...very strange...
And that Maverick will still be a fraction of the Hummer's pre-markup sticker.

Come to think of it, one Hummer purchaser got a rude surprise when his dream-ride arrived at the dealership: that "surprise" could cover the cost of a well-equipped Maverick hybrid:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/gmc-hummer-ev-edition-1-buyer-hit-with-markup-upon-delivery/

Supposedly, Ford has issued a warning to its dealers not to pull this jive with either the Bronco or its upcoming F-150 Lightning.

Crazy times, indeed.
Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:12 pm

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Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:12 pm linkquote
Cheshire,

Wow, we have been pumping our own gas here in Minnesota for
30 years. Only restriction, you can not let your kid do it.

We had some full service pumps where you could have an attendant
do it for old ladies. Also, the gas cost more at the full service pump.

I do remember the great nostalgia of the 1950s when uniformed
attendants would pump your gas, clean the windshield and check
your tire temperature.

So, what is the deal. Maybe I am missing out. At current gas prices,
maybe they should be pumping my gas and passing me a free pint of
good brandy for stopping in.

Bob Copeland
Freezing my butt, putting my credit card in and pumping my own gas
here during the Minnesota Winter.


Maybe your in a "Nanny State" that thinks your not capable. I think you can do it.

Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:28 pm

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Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:28 pm linkquote
I was asking because 1, I've only ever seen self-service fuel pumps and 2, barring Murphy's Monkey Wrench, I plan on traveling soon-ish.

I've also never (directly) encountered unions, so I was dumbfounded to learn in college that, as a craftsperson, if I ever juried into a show in a union state, I could actually face penalties if I tried to load in/out or set up/strike my booth myself. The instructor was familiar with it, being from a northern state.

I'd prefer not to cause a momentary scene during my first fuel stop in NJ or, apparently, OR due to me confusing a station attendant with a con artist.
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Sun Mar 27, 2022 3:21 pm linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
He saw me mumbling my discontent and said "Hey
my fill up is $116 - 16 miles to the gallon - I can't sell this Tahoe - no one will buy it".
Did you forget to tell him the benefits of having a scoot to complement that truck. Gas savings alone would pay for the scooter in 2-3 years and ya'll know about the fun factor.
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Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:01 pm linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
Cheshire,

Wow, we have been pumping our own gas here in Minnesota for
30 years. Only restriction, you can not let your kid do it.

We had some full service pumps where you could have an attendant
do it for old ladies. Also, the gas cost more at the full service pump.

I do remember the great nostalgia of the 1950s when uniformed
attendants would pump your gas, clean the windshield and check
your tire temperature.

So, what is the deal. Maybe I am missing out. At current gas prices,
maybe they should be pumping my gas and passing me a free pint of
good brandy for stopping in.

Bob Copeland
Freezing my butt, putting my credit card in and pumping my own gas
here during the Minnesota Winter.
So, nostalgia for the "nanny state" dynamic if it happened in the 50's - but now it's overreach? Sans politics, I'm just respectfully pointing out a contradiction in the logic Mr. Copeland.
Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:03 am

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Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:03 am linkquote
monogodo wrote:
If there are two stations across the street from each other, and the price difference is 5¢/gallon, but the cheaper station is inconvenient to get to while the more expensive one is easy to get to, I'll pay the extra price for the convenience.
Like many places, the cheapest name brand gas in San Francisco is from Arco. The station here is at the corner of two busy streets, and it's famous for having lines on each. There's a 76 across the street that's never busy, but its prices are like 30¢ more per gallon. When I first got the Vespa, I would hit the 76 quite a bit. You'd skip the commotion, and before Arco accepted credit cards, the 35¢ transaction fee would effectively erase the cost savings on a two gallon tank. Felt like a privilege to have the premium station to myself. Their tire pump is always broken though.

During the pandemic, I'd usually fill up out of town, and since the Arco started taking credit cards with tap to pay, I started defaulting to them for city fillups. On the Vespa, I can usually find a pump no matter how busy it is - there's always at least one that the line of cars isn't nimble enough to reach.
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Tue May 03, 2022 9:44 pm linkquote
Here's how to save on gas.
Wed May 04, 2022 2:37 am

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Wed May 04, 2022 2:37 am linkquote
It's a pizza eat pizza world out there
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Wed May 04, 2022 2:40 am linkquote
Math aside, unless you can pay at the pump there's an added cupcake tax every gas station visit.
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Thu May 05, 2022 9:10 am linkquote
We obviously have an advantage in this recent era of high gas prices by
riding our scooters.

The Del Fuegos Motorcycle gang is a little put out by the cost of gas. They
were recently quoted as saying, "One man's signature has really screwed
the pooch".

Bob Copeland
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Sun May 08, 2022 2:52 am linkquote
In South Wales I am paying £1.60 per litre of E5 and I refuse to use the E10 petrol which has been put out everywhere. For full octane it's a 10 mile round trip though I don't mind as its the best.
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Sun May 08, 2022 9:19 am linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
They
were recently quoted as saying, "One man's signature has really screwed
the pooch".

Bob Copeland
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Who's signature?
Sun May 08, 2022 2:15 pm

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Sun May 08, 2022 2:15 pm linkquote
Cheshire,

I told Jess, I would avoid politics. I do use Benjamin Franklin's tactic
of suggesting things to consider when he was in the presence of a hostile
English Parliament representing several colonies before our American
Revolution. If he would have openly confronted the King and Parliament,
He would have been kicked out of England and lost his advocacy for the
colonies.

You do not need a history lesson. I just do not want to be shut down off
ModernVespa - I love you guys.

The high cost of fuel is a scooter related subject.

So hiding behind Ben, I make the following suggestions to consider.

The USA was energy independent and a strong net exporter of natural gas
to both Asia and Europe. On his first day in office, my President by
executive order (one man's signature) (1) Cancelled Pipeline construction,
(2) eliminated further oil exploration on Federal Land, (3) reduced
tax credits for future fuel production. and further (4) complicated permits for
fuel exploration.

I am only suggesting these things to consider.

Bob Copeland


In this current era of charged up political opinions, it is best we just suggest things.

Sun May 08, 2022 2:40 pm

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Sun May 08, 2022 2:40 pm linkquote
Time this thread was locked methinks. Perhaps I'll wait a while yet...


I still think Americans protest far too much:

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/articles/85/

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Sun May 08, 2022 2:43 pm linkquote
Bob,

While it would be interesting to take your suggestions one by one and explain why they aren't the contributors to high fuel prices that you might have been led to believe, another non-political fact to consider is that all the big Oil companies are raking in record profits this year, despite paying so very much for crude oil.
Gasoline is taxed by the gallon, so a drop in consumption reduces revenues for the Government, and a rise in prices, with no corresponding change in consumption, does not generate more tax revenues for the Government. And in States that have removed or adjusted downward the gas tax, there hasn't been a drop in prices equal to the amount of taxes that were removed from the price of gas. It would appear the Oil Companies are keeping that too. Who could have seen that coming?
The biggest beneficiary of Gas Tax Holidays appear to be the oil companies and companies that repair pothole damage to cars. We ride bikes with very small tires, and anything that reduces money to maintain and repair roads will have a larger impact on us than on drivers of larger, four wheel vehicles.
Sun May 08, 2022 2:59 pm

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Sun May 08, 2022 2:59 pm linkquote
Bob, love ya man.

That said, if this thread gets locked, I'd like to suggest you think about some possibilities on why it happened.

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Sun May 08, 2022 4:03 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
I still think Americans protest far too much:
Yeah, we do seem to whine a lot.
Gas prices to Americans is like cheap vodka to Russians...
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Sun May 08, 2022 5:32 pm linkquote
Motovista wrote:
We ride bikes with very small tires, and anything that reduces money to maintain and repair roads will have a larger impact on us than on drivers of larger, four wheel vehicles.
In theory and some practice, yes... but I gotta admit: it's so much easier for me to dodge potholes and screwed up pavement on two wheels than it is on four. It's one of my favorite ways to ditch a tailgater...skirt the edge of the bad pavement and listen to them hit it full-force right after....
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Mon May 09, 2022 12:25 am linkquote
South Africa has pump jockeys - they need employment!

It is stricty speaking illegal to pump your own fuel, but it is tolerated by some fuel stations.
Self-service saves you nothing - the price is regulated per magisterial district.
Where I live it is currently ZAR21.84 (Euro 1.30) per litre or US$ 5.15 per US Gal of 95.

It costs me roughly ZAR 1 per kilometre in fuel on my HPE.
Mon May 09, 2022 12:43 am

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Mon May 09, 2022 12:43 am linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
Self-service saves you nothing
Except the classic spilling problems many have with their Vespas. I would bet the typical attendant would probably spill.
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Thu May 12, 2022 5:43 am linkquote
I paid $4.199/gallon for 87 octane on last night's fill up. Previous fill up was at $3.989 on May 4. The price had pretty much stayed at $3.989 all this week, until I needed to gas up, then it jumped up.

On the plus side, I got the best non-highway MPG ever on that tank: 21.4 mpg.
Thu May 12, 2022 9:31 am

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Thu May 12, 2022 9:31 am linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
South Africa has pump jockeys - they need employment!

It is stricty speaking illegal to pump your own fuel, but it is tolerated by some fuel stations.
Self-service saves you nothing - the price is regulated per magisterial district.
Where I live it is currently ZAR21.84 (Euro 1.30) per litre or US$ 5.15 per US Gal of 95.

It costs me roughly ZAR 1 per kilometre in fuel on my HPE.
Oregon still has pump attendants too, but they defer to you if you ride up on two wheels.

Some Italian stations have attendants. Sometimes they let you pump, sometimes they insist, and sometimes the station offers both at different prices.

I got really pissed at an Italian attendant who directed me to a new pump when the one I was at was broken. Turned out it was a full service pump, and he charged the full service price. (They use handheld CC machines, so they can charge whatever they like.)
Thu May 12, 2022 12:11 pm

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Thu May 12, 2022 12:11 pm linkquote
mayorofnow wrote:
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Some Italian stations have attendants. Sometimes they let you pump, sometimes they insist, and sometimes the station offers both at different prices.

I got really pissed at an Italian attendant who directed me to a new pump when the one I was at was broken. Turned out it was a full service pump, and he charged the full service price. (They use handheld CC machines, so they can charge whatever they like.)
On our first trip to Italy, 12 years ago, I had a similar experience. I was directed to that one pump not crowded and realized too late it was a full service pump. A full service pump is something that already then was almost extinct in Belgium, and if you very rarely met one, typically in small villages, they did not charge you extra.
It is one of these things that happen to you once but then you know.
Fri May 13, 2022 7:12 pm

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Forget It

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