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I have a 2015 Vespa GTS 300. It’s running fine. But I’m beginning to wonder if now is the time to trade it in. I guess I might get $2500 for it. A new one would probably be $9k with fees and taxes.

But in return I get out of the lack of warranty, the major services coming up etc.

What do you guys think?
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I have a 2015 Vespa GTS 300. It’s running fine. But I’m beginning to wonder if now is the time to trade it in. I guess I might get $2500 for it. A new one would probably be $9k with fees and taxes.

But in return I get out of the lack of warranty, the major services coming up etc.

What do you guys think?
I think you are exactly the sort of person I'd buy a scooter from.
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cshama wrote:
I have a 2015 Vespa GTS 300. It’s running fine. But I’m beginning to wonder if now is the time to trade it in. I guess I might get $2500 for it. A new one would probably be $9k with fees and taxes.

But in return I get out of the lack of warranty, the major services coming up etc.

What do you guys think?
Pictures, mileage, location. Who knows, I might even pay $2600!
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$6500 will pay for a nice ride home
Drive it till it really has serious problem, sell it as a project for $1000
Seriously there's a bunch of miles left on a well kept 2015

There's nothing like a nice new scooter, depending on what sort of farkles you require, easy to add another $1000 worth of windshield, boxes, racks. seats, mufflers...
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that's not really what I'd call "an old bike" and depending on the mileage and condition I'd keep trucking it.

worst case you need a big service and some tires, so you're out something like a smooth G

trying to sell something that needs all that? maybe you get 18ish? but then you've got the hassle? F and THAT.

if it's decent, and solid, keep it.
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The reason the idea of selling came into my head was I was trying to change the rollers and two small bolts holding the case were just rusted away and snapped offf inside the case.

Obviously I can drill them out and rethread the holes but it just made me feel it was time to move on before I need to do major repairs.

The bike runs fine otherwise. But the rusty bolt situation threw me off.
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I sympathise with your situation. My brother had a 3 year old GTS 300 that blew its exhaust gasket - a common occurrence it seems. The bracket holding the silencer to the header pipe was rusted solid and one of the bolts holding the silencer to the swing arm bracket snapped off too. He said the corrosion was horrendous behind the silencer.

He sold it after fixing those problems and I sold mine and bought a Honda before I had any problems too.

Good luck making your decision

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Yes I’ve replaced a couple of exhaust gaskets and tires and done regular maintenance. But when bolts holding the bike together rust and break off I get a little depressed.

I was quoted by my dealer $300 for replacing the band and rollers without materials. Another $300 for replacing the coolant and another $300 for changing the brake fluid.

I’ve changed the coolant and the brake fluid myself and both are pretty quick and easy and changing the band and rollers look easy too. But dealing with rusty bolts is another matter for me. It just feels that when that happens everything is a major hassle. I really don’t know how to drill and retap bolts in such a tight space.

So it’s really the combination of crappy bolts and criminal dealer costs that are driving my trading in idea.
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I think you are exactly the sort of person I'd buy a scooter from.
Read on, perhaps not.
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Haha. Yes I was thinking that myself. The bike definitely has issues.

It’s not Chinese’s scooter quality but it’s not a million miles away when you look at the quality of bolts that are being used.
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Yes I’ve replaced a couple of exhaust gaskets and tires and done regular maintenance. But when bolts holding the bike together rust and break off I get a little depressed.

I was quoted by my dealer $300 for replacing the band and rollers without materials. Another $300 for replacing the coolant and another $300 for changing the brake fluid.

I’ve changed the coolant and the brake fluid myself and both are pretty quick and easy and changing the band and rollers look easy too. But dealing with rusty bolts is another matter for me. It just feels that when that happens everything is a major hassle. I really don’t know how to drill and retap bolts in such a tight space.

So it’s really the combination of crappy bolts and criminal dealer costs that are driving my trading in idea.
Have you tried an independent dealer for service? Maybe something that's not in town? Not familiar with changing fluids on this particular vehicle, but $300.00 to change brake fluid seems a bit high. Especially when I do it in my driveway for the price of a pint of brake fluid.
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Trade it in for a new GTS 300 with the HPE engine. You will very much enjoy the performance improvement.
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... or upgrade to an X Max 300 ...
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cshama wrote:
The reason the idea of selling came into my head was I was trying to change the rollers and two small bolts holding the case were just rusted away and snapped offf inside the case.

Obviously I can drill them out and rethread the holes but it just made me feel it was time to move on before I need to do major repairs.

The bike runs fine otherwise. But the rusty bolt situation threw me off.
Whoever did the first check/change on the belt and rollers way back when didn't apply any anti-seize. I'd have thought that was essential in NYC.
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I realize you may want a new HPE and that is fair. However, If you are trying to build the case that a new bike will save you more than the difference between $2500 and $9000 due to the difference in service costs, I suspect that is just inventing a justification. It won't. Do it if and because you want to.
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Yes I’ve replaced a couple of exhaust gaskets and tires and done regular maintenance. But when bolts holding the bike together rust and break off I get a little depressed.

I was quoted by my dealer $300 for replacing the band and rollers without materials. Another $300 for replacing the coolant and another $300 for changing the brake fluid.

I’ve changed the coolant and the brake fluid myself and both are pretty quick and easy and changing the band and rollers look easy too. But dealing with rusty bolts is another matter for me. It just feels that when that happens everything is a major hassle. I really don’t know how to drill and retap bolts in such a tight space.

So it’s really the combination of crappy bolts and criminal dealer costs that are driving my trading in idea.
GTFO on 3 bones for a belt and rollers. if your labor rate is 150 an hour AND you were rebuilding the clutch, maybe? 3 and 3 on a flush and bleed? outrageous.

find yourself another mechanic.
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GTFO on 3 bones for a belt and rollers. if your labor rate is 150 an hour AND you were rebuilding the clutch, maybe? 3 and 3 on a flush and bleed? outrageous.

find yourself another mechanic.
Or do it all yourself - all pretty easy.
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Or do it all yourself - all pretty easy.
hell, I'd roll around on the sidewalk for 900 plus parts all day.

(wait, I do that already)
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hell, I'd roll around on the sidewalk for 900 plus parts all day.

(wait, I do that already)
Pff, I pay myself a couple of beers for the lot. Laughing emoticon
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hell, I'd roll around on the sidewalk for 900 plus parts all day.

(wait, I do that already)
I take it that means this isn't some strange beast like a Fiero that required removing a motor mount to change spark plugs.
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You guys are slipping.

1) buy the second scoot you want

2) keep #1 in the garage and work on it when you feel like it, get it dialed in.

Swap scoots when #2 needs work, rinse, repeat. Scooters are additive. Console yourself that therapy is more expensive and less bitchin than scooting.
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The mechanic who did the previous work, probably used a small electric impact gun & stretched the 6mm bolts, add some water, cook for a couple of years
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You guys are slipping.

1) buy the second scoot you want

2) keep #1 in the garage and work on it when you feel like it, get it dialed in.

Swap scoots when #2 needs work, rinse, repeat. Scooters are additive. Console yourself that therapy is more expensive and less bitchin than scooting.
No no no friend. Because a second scoot leads to, like, 11 scoots being broken down!

(and/or in pieces)
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I take it that means this isn't some strange beast like a Fiero that required removing a motor mount to change spark plugs.
Nah. Not at all.

There are very few things I flat out refuse to work on. Fiero tops that list along with big block monza, V8 pinto, any big block V8 in an el Camino, big block mustang or cougar, falcon, etc and double for headers. Woof.

Oh. And MR2’s

F and that.
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Having rusted bolts and knowing you can fix it is one thing, but generally what I have discovered is, everything starts out as just a rusted bolt, you then realize you want to fix it right and that means buying new tools to do it right, then you find there other things that you had not noticed that needs fixing.
Many times you are cursing yourself and you feel like Charlie Brown and the football.
Living in NYC, having no garage, not enough space to store tools etc having to get a minimum set of tools to work on the sidewalk, then going back and forth to get more stuff, then not finishing up the work having to put everything away cuz you can't leave it on the sidewalk etc etc you get angry ( I am expressing what goes through my head).
So if you feel like you don't want to deal with the work needed to maintain it the way you want to & also realize that most maintenance you could do yourself but for all these reasons it is frustrating then get a newer or new Vespa.
But if you take the advice of the wise folks of the forum, then stick with it and maintain it.
I know I would maintain it till I can't take it anymore ( i still can lay on the ground and work on the sidewalk as long as it is warm and dry) with all the challenges of getting to maintain it.
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baba12 wrote:
Having rusted bolts and knowing you can fix it is one thing, but generally what I have discovered is, everything starts out as just a rusted bolt, you then realize you want to fix it right and that means buying new tools to do it right, then you find there other things that you had not noticed that needs fixing.
Many times you are cursing yourself and you feel like Charlie Brown and the football.
Living in NYC, having no garage, not enough space to store tools etc having to get a minimum set of tools to work on the sidewalk, then going back and forth to get more stuff, then not finishing up the work having to put everything away cuz you can't leave it on the sidewalk etc etc you get angry ( I am expressing what goes through my head).
So if you feel like you don't want to deal with the work needed to maintain it the way you want to & also realize that most maintenance you could do yourself but for all these reasons it is frustrating then get a newer or new Vespa.
But if you take the advice of the wise folks of the forum, then stick with it and maintain it.
I know I would maintain it till I can't take it anymore ( i still can lay on the ground and work on the sidewalk as long as it is warm and dry) with all the challenges of getting to maintain it.
weirdly, I hadn't heard the Charlie Brown & football analogy for years, and last night I heard it on The West Wing (Bartlett to Leo) and now today :?
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