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I wanted to introduce my self. Just bought a 1964 allstate cruisaire and am starting a re-vitalization project (preserve the originality and attain mechanical reliability). I have restored classic bikes in the past, the latest being a 1966 Honda 305 Dream, but I am new to 2-stroke. Thanks in advance for your help.
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Welcome! That scoot looks solid. Should be a fun spruce up
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Welcome. Great Allstate!!!

2 stokes should be a breeze for you after the Dream. (Those are gorgeous machines.)
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Good luck with your sweet built and please start shooting questions.. we are ready.
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Welcome. Good looking bike. It looks like it needs very little.

The Allstates were sold by Sears who squeezed out every bit of cost savings they could. The front suspension in particular is downright dangerous. If this is going to be a rider vs a showpiece then you might consider a fork/shock upgrade.
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The plan for her to be a driver. Thanks for the tip on the front suspension. The current task is combustion. I cleaned out the tank , rebuilt the petcock an now there is fuel to the carb. Which leaks like a sieve. No spark either. Got to love a challenge. More to follow.
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All normal stuff. Start with a carb rebuild and a new coil- it will help avoid a ton of headaches. This forum is the best- helped me turna bare frame into a good looking and running scoot.
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Hey, I'm also in York. Nice looking Allstate! Mine was a barnfind, but I'm working on getting it back on the road.
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so what is the scoop on the front fork? it looks like there is no damper? what are the go to upgrade options?
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There is no scoop, per say...unless you are referring to the fork link, which may or may not have had a cover on it originally. There also was no shock/damper on this model. See gmontag's post above..
I'd say get it running and sorted and see if the cc's are enough for your needs. Swapping out the exhaust is the simplest bolt-on power mod.
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jerryd wrote:
so what is the scoop on the front fork? it looks like there is no damper? what are the go to upgrade options?
Allstates came with no damper, just a spring, with the exception of the 1966 models. Makes for an "interesting" ride. Actually make you want to never ride it again. Hit the front brake and it dives and eventually starts braking. Solution is a stiffer spring (Stoffi) or set it up like a VBB. There are several people on here that have done this, do a search - it's all here on the site.
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Concur with Moto64, get it running first. Easy upgrade is a 20/20 carb with the right jets and a simple modern exhaust. That will get you up to about 50 which is plenty with the stock brakes.
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I'm a little east of York but we should meet up when all the SEPA Allstates are up and running!
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Welcome to MV Garn! I just did the same on a 62 Allstate. My buddy Chris has a 64, and a couple others here on MV have threads on what they did to their VNB/VBB's

Here is the thread: 62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the road

Please post your progress. I'll be following along
My 62 and Chris's 64.
My 62 and Chris's 64.
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It is alive! I rebuilt the fuel petcock. There was an ounce of dirt and rust inside. Also the carb. The brass was all good and original but is was missing half of the gaskets and all the passages were plugged. All new hoses and gaskets. The HT wire was cracked and not attached to the coil. Points were fused shut. Set the timing to 26 BTDC, gapped a new plug. Change the gearbox oil to GL-4 75W80. Filled her up with fresh premix and she started on the third kick. All in about $300 at scooter mercato (so far). Welcome back.
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It is alive! I rebuilt the fuel petcock. There was an ounce of dirt and rust inside. Also the carb. The brass was all good and original but is was missing half of the gaskets and all the passages were plugged. All new hoses and gaskets. The HT wire was cracked and not attached to the coil. Points were fused shut. Set the timing to 26 BTDC, gapped a new plug. Change the gearbox oil to GL-4 75W80. Filled her up with fresh premix and she started on the third kick. All in about $300 at scooter mercato (so far). Welcome back.
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Nice progress! Ride it a little and get a feel for if it's going to be what you were looking for, e.g. speed/power, braking, etc.

If not, we can start talking about upgrades. As others have already noted, the front suspension is a sad joke.

The motor will run for a while, but the seals will probably start to fail in a few months. At that point, you'll get to rebuild and can replace the mounts and consider upgrades like electronic ignition.

I'm the last person to consult on, "should I upgrade this?" Because my answer is almost invariably, "Hell yeah! Let's hotrod this bitch!" But there are definitely some Quality of Life upgrades that would be money well spent.
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I built a nice fire and BBQed the muffler yesterday. Looked like a volcano coming out both ends for about 30 minutes. Gave it a coat of high temp black and reinstalled.
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I built a nice fire and BBQed the muffler yesterday. Looked like a volcano coming out both ends for about 30 minutes. Gave it a coat of high temp black and reinstalled.
That's a good way to keep it in stock form. Any more modern cheapo exhaust will let you rev it out more coupled with a 20/20 carb jetted properly. But there certainly isn't anything for enjoying the way it is.
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Did I spot a wild garncarz, or is there a mystery Allstate scootist in town?

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I have a VBB which is quite similar. I kind of bought it by mistake thinking it would be a similar replacement to the p150 I had years ago. It's slower with smaller wheels but there is something about it that makes it fun to ride.
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Yep, that's me. Ukraine Vespa Club sticker and all.
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Ha, that's funny. It's looking/sounding good!
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It is alive! I rebuilt the fuel petcock. There was an ounce of dirt and rust inside. Also the carb. The brass was all good and original but is was missing half of the gaskets and all the passages were plugged. All new hoses and gaskets. The HT wire was cracked and not attached to the coil. Points were fused shut. Set the timing to 26 BTDC, gapped a new plug. Change the gearbox oil to GL-4 75W80. Filled her up with fresh premix and she started on the third kick. All in about $300 at scooter mercato (so far). Welcome back.
You did great.
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Thanks. Except that post is 9 months old and the total at Mercato is more like $1300 now.
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Thanks. Except that post is 9 months old and the total at Mercato is more like $1300 now.
It's a deep rabbit hole, mine was much more than $1300 , been there done that. Nice to see you're able to keep the original paint.
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