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Anyone have experience with engines from American scooter center?

http://www.americanscootercenter.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_40_42&products_id=381

They also build a 166 engine using LML cases and higher quality parts.

http://www.americanscootercenter.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_40_42&products_id=1326

Might be an easier path than kitting my old VBC engine. I have read many descriptions about kitting older 2 port engines.

I'm getting the impression that it's not that hard to kit an engine, but assembling the right parts combo to get a smooth and reliable power band can be pretty tricky. It reminds me a lot of modifying air cooled VW's: simple engines when rebuilding to stock, but performance modifications are not so straightforward.

Thank you!
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I bought an LML crate motor from ASC ~12 years ago.
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ASC has been out of business for over a decade.
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ASC has been out of business for over a decade.
wonder who's paying for their website to still be active
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quick search looks like Nic from the old ASC has a shop:

https://batcityscooters.business.site/
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I bought a PX200 EFL crate engine (auto lube, E start, all Piaggo internal components) from ASC back in 2006. I'm still happy with the engine.
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wonder who's paying for their website to still be active
That's prob a question for Chandlerman to answer? It seems he can dig in the right places to find the owner based on his scoot.net owner investigation.

Nick did buy the remaining of his inventory a while back. I doubt much is left.
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If the old cases and gearbox are in good shape, I personally would rebuild that instead of doing a swap. Any of the two port kits will bolt right on, it will will look stock, and you will not have to make a tangled mess of wiring hacks to get the lights to almost work.

But then, I'm not a fan of halfway done swaps. If you are going to do a swap, plan to redo the electrical system, and maybe design/build your own harness.
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If you are going to do a swap, plan to redo the electrical system, and maybe design/build your own harness.
This.

When I did my swap I inherited a mess of wiring hacks. I just tore all that out and rewired, kept it super simple and ran one wire for kill switch, and one wire for headlight up front. The hard part was the brake switch which on my VNB 'shorted' the tailight circuit when the pedal is not depressed, so I had to wire up a relay to create the 'inverse' of that so it wasn't shorting the lighting circuit of my Malossi stator. Other than the relay, its very simple to diagnose problems. Note I dont have a horn, but dont really care since the stock ones are too quiet anyway.
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My wiring is a mess. It all works but the wiring was run on the outside of the frame. I would probably make my own wiring harness. After rewiring a VW bus, it doesn't seem that hard. The hard part seems to be squeezing it all in without grounding it out.

I guess rebuilding the old engine with a kit would be the most straightforward way. There seem to be a number of combinations that have been built many times and proven.
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That's prob a question for Chandlerman to answer? It seems he can dig in the right places to find the owner based on his scoot.net owner investigation.
Just catching up on my MV. I'll take a look in the morning and see what I can figure out.
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