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No, my folks didn't drive it up from the Bahamas, the Bahamas are islands.

This weekend I went in and bought a 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz SEL Premium AWD 2.5 Turbo. I've been wanting a truck for our second vehicle since my wife and I got married. And I've wanted the Santa Cruz specifically since 2015, when they showed the concept version.

Mine was the first one sold by the dealership, and if it wasn't the first one sold in the area, it is one of the first 5 sold.

So, now that I have a truck, I know that I will most likely never ride the scooter again. Sure, it'd be great to only commute on it during nice weather, but I know that I won't take the time to haul it out of the garage to ride, especially since I'd have to move the truck to get it out, and if I'm already in the truck to move it, why not continue on to work? Yes, fuel economy will suck -- I'll sure miss spending less than $8/week in gas, and I'll miss the 50+ mpg. But I won't miss riding in 100° summer heat, or rain storms, or near freezing temps. I won't miss other drivers actively trying to kill me. I won't miss my wife worrying every time I get on it to go to work or ride back home. So I'm selling it.

I may still stop by here now and then to see how y'all are doing. And I may end up with another PTW in the future (I still really want a Ural with sidecar, but I don't have room for one in the garage anymore).
Front view, sharing the garage with the Veloster.
Front view, sharing the garage with the Veloster.
Only 12 miles on the odometer.
Only 12 miles on the odometer.
Vroooom!
Vroooom!
It's like I'm driving a truck in Tron.
It's like I'm driving a truck in Tron.
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Nice car!

Love the Dead Milkmen ref!

And you'll probably miss the scooter.
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I saw the pics of this concept 'truck' and have to say it looks amazing.
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I saw the pics of this concept 'truck' and have to say it looks amazing.
The one they actually delivered isn't quite as amazing.
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Trying to take on the Honda Ridgeline. I like the Santa Cruz. We have a 2005 Subaru Baja so we've been members of the weird looking vehicle club for a long time.
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Trying to take on the Honda Ridgeline. I like the Santa Cruz. We have a 2005 Subaru Baja so we've been members of the weird looking vehicle club for a long time.
Maybe you could pick up a used Pontiac Aztek to complete the collection?
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Maybe you could pick up a used Pontiac Aztek to complete the collection?
Collection won't be complete until he adds the cyber truck.

I'll be trading in my Ridgeline when my cyber truck reservation number gets called.
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Maybe you could pick up a used Pontiac Aztek to complete the collection?
I can already imagine the Regular Car Reviews on this one...

The older, funnier ones.
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Nice!

We don't have much truck -type (open bed) cars on sale here, mostly because of our foul weather and long winter. The SUV sister model, Hyundai Tucson, is increasingly popular here and gets very nice reviews too.
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Most of the time I spend on scooters is totally unnecessary, not going anywhere or doing anything, totally pleasing myself. Which is why I can't imagine giving them up.

Anything with 4 wheels to me has always been a tool, functional and necessary.

Here's hoping you stick around anyway!

PS. Nice truck
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Most of the time I spend on scooters is totally unnecessary, not going anywhere or doing anything, totally pleasing myself. Which is why I can't imagine giving them up.

Anything with 4 wheels to me has always been a tool, functional and necessary.

+1
Totally.
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Car #34? I am loosing count.
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$2000 w/120,000 miles now pushing well past 150,000. 20MPG, except when I put my foot in the tank. It's technology includes an AM/FM Radio with a USB port that does not always work. It has survived 3 years with me, including a year of Door Dashing. I have only used it 4 times in the past 6 weeks as I am riding the hell out of my 2019 Primavera 150. It has become my second car for at least the summer. I use it to haul my drums around to shows when needed...
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SteveMster wrote:
I saw the pics of this concept 'truck' and have to say it looks amazing.
jess wrote:
The one they actually delivered isn't quite as amazing.
I really liked the concept a lot. Am I slightly disappointed that the production truck is a full crew cab vs an extended cab? A little. I also understand that Hyundai's brand design look changed in the 6 years between concept and production. But I like how the truck looks.
sc00ter wrote:
Trying to take on the Honda Ridgeline. I like the Santa Cruz. We have a 2005 Subaru Baja so we've been members of the weird looking vehicle club for a long time.
We also have a Hyundai Veloster, that funky 3-door (one on the driver side, two on the passenger side) hatchback they produce.
fleece wrote:
Most of the time I spend on scooters is totally unnecessary, not going anywhere or doing anything, totally pleasing myself. Which is why I can't imagine giving them up.

Anything with 4 wheels to me has always been a tool, functional and necessary.

Here's hoping you stick around anyway!

PS. Nice truck
See, I'm kinda the opposite. I viewed my scooter as a tool to get me from home to work, and work to home. In the 5 years I have owned a scooter, I've gone on "pleasure" rides twice - both times with my neighbor on his Harley. When I go to Revzilla.com, and the site asks what kind of riding I'm into, my preferred type isn't listed: commuter. I don't identify as a Rocker or Mod. How/what I ride doesn't figure in to my persona.

Meanwhile, I love driving cars (or trucks or vans). Sure, it was/is fun being on something as nimble as a scooter. And there are aspects of riding that I'll miss (ease of flow through traffic, awesome MPG, being able to park pretty much anywhere). But there are also aspects I won't miss (virtually no physical protection from other drivers, no climate control, no protection from the elements, being invisible to drivers).

I'll keep the M endorsement on my license, and I hope to get another PTW at some point. Part of it depends on finances, part of it depends on space to keep it. I'd have to shift things around in the garage to make room for one. We have a decent sized 2-car garage, or at least I thought we did, until I moved the Santa Cruz into it. It was roomy with the Veloster and the BV350. It's cramped with the Veloster and the Santa Cruz.
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What is the MSRP? The Hyundai website doesn't show it.

I am interested to see what you get for your BV350. I have a '17 myself. Paid $3900 in 2018 with under 2k on the clock. Maybe Covid has increased the used scooter prices too!
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2000 Nissan Frontier V6.
I've still got my 2007 Nissan Frontier V6, which I bought new. It's pushing 100k, has played support truck on two separate Cannonball events, and is still going strong.
Double M wrote:
It's technology includes an AM/FM Radio with a USB port that does not always work.
Yours has a USB port?!? Gah. Mine doesn't even have that.
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Marbles Mahoney's Battle Truck.
Car #34? I am loosing count.
2000 Nissan Frontier V6.
All I can say is winter on Long Island must be way different than those here in Central NY! The massive amount of salt on the roads for snow and ice removal eat trucks and car like crazy!

But then when you live next door to the city with the nickname of Salt City what can one expect?
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Most of the time I spend on scooters is totally unnecessary, not going anywhere or doing anything, totally pleasing myself. Which is why I can't imagine giving them up.
Well said. My view as well.
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I've still got my 2007 Nissan Frontier V6, which I bought new. It's pushing 100k, has played support truck on two separate Cannonball events, and is still going strong.



Yours has a USB port?!? Gah. Mine doesn't even have that.
2013 Frontier 4x2 KC here. Six cylinders and six gears. Got it specifically because I needed a scooter hauler. Bit of a baby comparitively, with 86K on the clock.

Not sure when they added it, but mine has a USB plug in the center console, closer to the driver and next to the coin trays. It's for the pre-NissanConnect radio that supports an iPod.
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What is the MSRP? The Hyundai website doesn't show it.

I am interested to see what you get for your BV350. I have a '17 myself. Paid $3900 in 2018 with under 2k on the clock. Maybe Covid has increased the used scooter prices too!
I paid MSRP, plust TTL. Total price came to just over $40k.
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It's not totally true, you always go somewhere ...
But, in my case at least, the destination is seldom the point. The ride is the reason for the trip.
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But, in my case at least, the destination is seldom the point. The ride is the reason for the trip.
Yes, I understand, but in my case, despite having the race its importance, I also try to combine a destination or a stage (turning point) in which to find the same. I mean, a place to have a coffee and relax before returning to the base. I go to Bassiano and I stop to play cards with the old people of the town at the bar.

---> https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassiano
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Most of the time I spend on scooters is totally unnecessary, not going anywhere or doing anything, totally pleasing myself.
I have two powered four wheelers, a 1999 Mazda MX5 Miata and a 2004 Toyota Tacoma.

In 2020, I drove the Miata 360 miles, the Tacoma 3000.

Total for the five scooters: 13,000 miles.

They get ridden every day on my less-than 1 mile commute to work, then for lunch and visiting jobsites.

They get ridden when I need a ride and on big rides around the state.

As for my Tacoma, I purchased it three years ago for $6500.

It has roll up windows, manual locks, five speed manual and an AM/FM radio with CD player. I just spent a bunch replacing shocks, spark plugs and belts. It should be good for several years before service needed again. It is perfect for me.

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All I can say is winter on Long Island must be way different than those here in Central NY! The massive amount of salt on the roads for snow and ice removal eat trucks and car like crazy!

But then when you live next door to the city with the nickname of Salt City what can one expect?
When I lived in Delaware County older cars without rust holes were rare. The roads were dusty white for long stretches at a time.
Now I live in Dutchess County and twenty year old cars that look showroom fresh are everywhere.
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Interesting to see the love for some Nissan products. 2002 Sentra here. Bought new 19 years ago- now with 153,000 miles. Very good condition for an Ohio car. Mostly trouble free. The Ford Maverick looks very interesting. We need something rugged and the Maverick might fit the bill. Toyota Corolla Cross is the other we're considering. Did some scooter maintenance today- can't imagine not having a scooter. As long as I can ride- I will!

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Interesting to see the love for some Nissan products. 2002 Sentra here.
I had a 2002 (or 2003, can't remember for sure) Nissan Sentra SE-R. Bought new. I drove the heck out of it and then eventually passed it on to my Mother In Law, who is still driving it. It's beat to hell now, the clear coat has burned off in the California sun, but it's still running.

Loved that car.
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I had a 2002 (or 2003, can't remember for sure) Nissan Sentra SE-R. Bought new. I drove the heck out of it and then eventually passed it on to my Mother In Law, who is still driving it. It's beat to hell now, the clear coat has burned off in the California sun, but it's still running.

Loved that car.
GXE here with an automatic transmission. Sport package with spoiler, alloys, premium sound,etc. I was an SE-R fan. Too bad Nissan went with ( bought) jatco cvt transmissions. Their designs are fantastic. Just can't trust that trans.
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"Vive la difference!"
I would not own an Asian car. I realize that this is an irrational prejudice, and especially hypocritical from someone who owns three Honda PTWs. But there it is.

Also looking forward to see the new Maverick. Will be happy to retire my old Dodge Dakota.

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Have a really nice blue Hyundai Veloster R-Spec that gets great gas mpg, 6 speed and fast..and fun to drive… but I am Not giving up my scooters…and I ride to work most days right now….
Not a cage on the market or road that I would give up my scooters for…not even give 1 of them up for…
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I would not own an Asian car. I realize that this is an irrational prejudice, and especially hypocritical from someone who owns three Honda PTWs. But there it is.
Your loss. American cars suck donkey balls. I can't tell you how much I despise American cars.

And there it is.
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I would not own an Asian car. I realize that this is an irrational prejudice, and especially hypocritical from someone who owns three Honda PTWs. But there it is.

Also looking forward to see the new Maverick. Will be happy to retire my old Dodge Dakota.

Chris from CLE
Good thing my little Nissan isn't an Asian car. It was the first year of truck assembly in Canton, Mississippi. Prior to 2013, the Nissan pickups were built in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. The powertrain was still built in Deckerd, Tennessee.

Thanks to nonsense like the chicken tax, a lot of these Asian cars are likely to be more 'murican than some native offerings.

Before my truck, I had a third-gen Camry. According to the chassis and powertrain codes, it was built in Georgetown, Kentucky. Gave that one away to family friends with a quarter million miles on it and a fresh set of tires.

I'd posit that there are American cars that are plenty likeable. They just might not be imported from Detroit.

The Maverick looks interesting, but they're killing me a bit. Yes, bring back compact trucks. No, don't dress up a compact FF platform in a truck frock and expect adoration.

On the upside, it validates the concept of the VW Caddy / Rabbit Truck. I had an '80 Sport model. Fun to drive, but handled funny with anything more than a quarter ton in the bed and it struggled on boat ramps like a dachshund on a polished hardwood floor. Razz emoticon
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It's a great looking truck Monogodo. I like the design quite a bit! Too bad there isn't an electric version. Best of luck with it. Be safe!

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ChrisFromCLE wrote:
I would not own an Asian car. I realize that this is an irrational prejudice, and especially hypocritical from someone who owns three Honda PTWs. But there it is.

Also looking forward to see the new Maverick. Will be happy to retire my old Dodge Dakota.

Chris from CLE
You and I are the think at the same way, I too have almost always had japanese PTWs but always italian cars (Lancia and Fiat).
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American cars suck donkey balls.


In the sense that they consume too much fuel or what else?
PS: Are you possessed by Greasy's demon?
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Attila wrote:
In the sense that they consume too much fuel or what else?
In the sense that the Big Three US Automakers had fucking decades to figure out that the Germans and Japanese were making far, far better cars, and instead just chose to sit on their fucking hands pretending that American cars were superior (that's a fucking joke) and kept churning out horrifyingly bad cars and largely cleaning up on pickup trucks thanks to the idiocy of the Chicken Tax.

The best thing we could have done for the American automakers round about 1985 was to turn our backs on them and refuse to buy their shitcan cars until they brought them up to a reasonable level of quality and design. Instead, we screamed "Buy American!" and subsidized their arrogant, bloated crackerjack cars until the industry could no longer sustain itself and it collapsed under the weight of its own hubris, laying waste to an entire industry and laying off countless American workers in the process.

Meanwhile, the Japanese automakers starting building excellent cars in the US and handily demonstrated that the problem was not the labor force, it was the fucking idiots at the top. A fish rots from the head down, you know.

Fuck those guys and fuck their fucking cars. Idiots, all of them.
Attila wrote:
PS: Are you possessed by Greasy's demon?
Greasy would have been more delicate.
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With motorcycles and scooters Italy adopted a protectionist policy at the end of the 60s and this saved most of the brands from cancellation but even there there was inertia and the Japanese still invaded the national market. Well ... We've had some advantage in slowing down the rapid expansion. I apologize for the imperfect reference to the greasy (greasy) who is still very nice to me and whose professionalism I respect a lot.
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