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Having been quoted $1k plus for a full service for my 2015 GTS 300. I have decided to do it solo

I am doing a coolant flush, brake fluid flush, roller and belt change(I know the belt can last until 9k but I want to get it done)

Am I missing anything?
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OMG, is that the going rate for a 6k service?!
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Yes it's ridiculous. Insane.

I am not a competent mechanic in any sense but I can do it in a couple of hours. $300 for brake flush, $300 for coolant, $500 for rollers and belt.

This is from both Vespa dealers closest to me. If they actually do the work. I'd prefer to do it myself and take my chances
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Yikes!!! Scooterwest sells all the parts and tools you need for $291. If you have the specialized tools already it's less than $200. Robot also shows you exactly how to do it:

It's kind of a no-brainer if you have any wrenching experience at all.
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Yes. Thank God for robot.

And the benefit of doing it yourself is you know it's been done.

The reality is you could take your bike in. They could do nothing. And you probably wouldn't know.
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Next week I will be paying $500 for the following on my '13 (pre-ABS):

1) New belt
2) Oil change
3) Coolant flush
4) New blocks & rollers

I think the difference in your service is:
1) New spark plug
2) Clean air filters
3) New Oil filter

The spark plug is inexpensive, cleaning the air filters is easy, and changing the oil filter can be a pain but it isn't expensive.

The only reason I'm not doing this is the heat. I don't want to wait for it to cool down to 95° and then be up half the night sweating.
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That seems a fair price.

In the past I've changed the exhaust, both tires, brake and coolant fluid.

But I really hate it. Constantly stripping bolts and screws. Never knowing if I'm doing it right.

But hey my bike is 6 years old and still running fine so maybe I'm doing ok.

This one will be hard because I've already broken two rusty screws from the casing over the belt and rollers. Scary stuff
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You might try my trick of making customized funnels from several layers of aluminum foil rolled up and shaped as needed to keep from making a mess with the oil and coolant. It' still a PITA but at least you can minimize spillage.

If you are breaking nuts and bolts you are going something wrong. You are tightening too tight. Get an inexpensive torque wrench when you are retightening. Jimc likes the Harbor Freight wrench for occasional use.

If you are breaking nuts and bolts when removing them, use a penetrating oil such as these. Put it by the threads and let it sit for a bit. Maybe do it the night before. https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=bolt+loosening+spray&crid=8CA7584F7R7X&sprefix=bolt+loosening+%2Caps%2C229&ref=nb_sb_ss_midas-iss-sm_1_15

If the threads are rusty, clean them up with a wire brush before reinserting them.

Also see Micbergsma Vespa YouTube videos. They are as good as Robots IMO.

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Great tips.
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Get the CVT filter while you are at this. Often missed. It's important for belt life.
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One question.

Two bolts have broken off in the casing you have to unbolt to get to get to the rollers and belt. There are about 8 or so bolts there.

My plan is just to drill them out and maybe retap if necessary. It seems like there are enough working bolts to just ignore the broken ones but I'm not sure.
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Personally I'd ignore them, unless they spin out easily. There are 10 bolts all told, and the casing isn't under any pressure in either direction. Just remember to use a smear of anti-seize on the remaining ones when they go back in!
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$1000 seems a bit high... Have you tried getting a quote from any non-NYC dealers? How about New York Powersports (White Plains, NY), Stamford (CT) Motorsports, or BMG Powersports (Goshen, NY)?

Here's my list for 6,000 miles:

Coolant flush (every two years)
Brake fluid flush (every two years)
New engine oil/filter (every year)
Replace engine air filter with a new one (you could clean it, but they are like $10 new)
Replace spark plug
New transmission rollers and guides
New transmission belt (while you are in there)
New transmission air filter (or clean it)
Replace the rear tire (have someone remove the current rear tire from the rim and mount/balance a new one - don't try to do that yourself)
Change the rear hub oil (while the rear tire is off)
Put on a new exhaust gasket (you need to take off the exhaust to change the rear tire).
Check headlight alignment
Check throttle
Tighten safety fasteners

I HATE stripped/broken screws... Good luck with that, though. Also, you might invest in a torque wrench if you don't have one.
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cshama wrote:
One question.

Two bolts have broken off in the casing you have to unbolt to get to get to the rollers and belt. There are about 8 or so bolts there.

My plan is just to drill them out and maybe retap if necessary. It seems like there are enough working bolts to just ignore the broken ones but I'm not sure.
This is why I whack questionable fasteners with an impact driver to get them starting out.
The *whack* drives the screw in, and applies torque to loosen at the same time.
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Good luck doing all of it yourself! I'm trying to learn how to wrench on mine as well.

If you want another quote, Robbie at Scooter Bottega in Brooklyn does great work with honest pricing.
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$1000 seems a bit high... Have you tried getting a quote from any non-NYC dealers? How about New York Powersports (White Plains, NY), Stamford (CT) Motorsports, or BMG Powersports (Goshen, NY)?

Here's my list for 6,000 miles:

Coolant flush (every two years)
Brake fluid flush (every two years)
New engine oil/filter (every year)
Replace engine air filter with a new one (you could clean it, but they are like $10 new)
Replace spark plug
New transmission rollers and guides
New transmission belt (while you are in there)
New transmission air filter (or clean it)
Replace the rear tire (have someone remove the current rear tire from the rim and mount/balance a new one - don't try to do that yourself)
Change the rear hub oil (while the rear tire is off)
Put on a new exhaust gasket (you need to take off the exhaust to change the rear tire).
Check headlight alignment
Check throttle
Tighten safety fasteners

I HATE stripped/broken screws... Good luck with that, though. Also, you might invest in a torque wrench if you don't have one.
I'm local to those places, is there one you prefer? Been to both WP and Stamford
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I have not been to any of the local shops near NYC, except New Haven Vespa. My suggestion to look elsewhere comes because $1000 seem a bit high for those services, especially with no rear tire, likely because labor costs and overhead are expensive in NYC. … My time/price thoughts on a professional doing these services:

Parts - $300 (includes profit to dealer)
Coolant flush - 0.5 hour
Brake fluid flush - 0.5 hour
New engine oil/filter - 0.5 hour
Replace engine air filter with a new one - 0.25 hour
Replace spark plug - 0.5 hour
Transmission rollers/guides/belt - 1.25 hours
Change the rear hub oil - 0.5 hour
Checks - 0.5 hour

4.5 hours total labor (and this is probably somewhat on the high side of time for a pro). Around here, I'd say that's more of an $800 service, or less.
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Get the CVT filter while you are at this. Often missed. It's important for belt life.
About 9 or so years ago, I participated in a scooter "Tech Class" (and more here) with an MV member we haven't seen much in the last few years, GlassEye, and another fellow name Rolphe (sp?). Rolphe was a retired Porsche mechanic with 50 years experience. In about 2000, Vespa reentered the US market and created a dealer network. They asked Rolphe to train a cadre of Vespa mechanics at dealerships around the US.

IIRC, he recommended not using the CVT filter at the Tech Class because it gets clogged over time and reduces belt cooling.

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… My time/price thoughts on a professional doing these services:

Parts - $300 (includes profit to dealer)
Coolant flush - 0.5 hour
Brake fluid flush - 0.5 hour
New engine oil/filter - 0.5 hour
Replace engine air filter with a new one - 0.25 hour
Replace spark plug - 0.5 hour
Transmission rollers/guides/belt - 1.25 hours
Change the rear hub oil - 0.5 hour
Checks - 0.5 hour

Just finished a DIY transmission and air cleaner service. I think I'm closer to 4 hours....haul out and set up the lift, run the scooter up, get out the tools, undo crash bars and trim, search for the right socket which seems to have disappeared, kick over what seemed to be a handy tool tray....disassemble some more. clean everything up thoroughly. Dust off the belt filter and reinstall....then review video that suggests washing it, so remove it again and have at that. Search for the replacement brake line clamp I had somewhere....reference torque settings......

Anyway, cleaned up and running, so all good. And still ahead, other than some wasted time and frustration....despite all that, still worth it.
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cshama wrote:
One question.

Two bolts have broken off in the casing you have to unbolt to get to get to the rollers and belt. There are about 8 or so bolts there.

My plan is just to drill them out and maybe retap if necessary. It seems like there are enough working bolts to just ignore the broken ones but I'm not sure.
Vs. retapping, I'd consider getting a helicoil kit and putting in helicoil inserts. They've been around forever, they work. They were around, we used them, when I worked at a motorcycle shop in the mid-70s (!!).

Here's a vid of a dad and kid putting one in a motorcycle casing.

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So far I did the spark plug, air filter, coolant change,brake fluid change, engine oil and filter, greased up moving parts. No huge problems yet.

Saving the worst till last the rollers and belt.

It wouldn't be that bad but all my bolts are rusted and stuck.
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Just for the sake of clarification: if we're talking about a 6k mile service on your GTS 300 (as opposed to the $6k title of the thread), I think the asking price for the service is just a bit North of normal, unless there are some unusual wear-issues involved. The cost of the 6k service on my GTS 300 Super (also 2015) didn't come anywhere near that.
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So far I did the spark plug, air filter, coolant change,brake fluid change, engine oil and filter, greased up moving parts. No huge problems yet.

Saving the worst till last the rollers and belt.

It wouldn't be that bad but all my bolts are rusted and stuck.
Don't forget the center stand.

Stuck center stand bushing-how hot and how hard....
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You are in NYC, if ya need a helping hand holler & I shall make time. The vespa dealership by me in Brooklyn is notorious at fleecing customers for service. In the last 3 years they have had a major turnover of the people who work in the service department and those who worked on the vespa's all the good folks left. A friend went to get valve's adjusted was quoted $129 plus taxes but when he went to pick it up ended up paying $270. Supposedly they replaced gaskets etc but did not mention it upfront as possible costs etc.
Somehow the management at that dealership is pushing the service department to find ways to make up revenue and loosing customers.
Scooter Bottega is decent and so is Triborough Motorcycles in Greenpoint Brooklyn and there is MotoGrrl, though not sure if they work on vespa's they do work on Ducatti's & Guzzi's for sure.
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Yes I agree 100% with you.

I just got a quote for $150 for the belt and rollers without parts from Scooter Bottega. I personally think it's reasonable. Even though I think I could do it myself I will use them as I want to establish a relationship with a honest Vespa mechanic for work down the line.

I also just wrote a fair but nasty review for Vespa Brooklyn. It really is despicable that they just go all out and fleece customers. $300 for a brake fluid flush!!!

It's not even the money. When people pull stuff like that I worry if they even bother doing the work.
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cshama wrote:
Yes I agree 100% with you.

I just got a quote for $150 for the belt and rollers without parts from Scooter Bottega. I personally think it's reasonable. Even though I think I could do it myself I will use them as I want to establish a relationship with a honest Vespa mechanic for work down the line.

I also just wrote a fair but nasty review for Vespa Brooklyn. It really is despicable that they just go all out and fleece customers. $300 for a brake fluid flush!!!

It's not even the money. When people pull stuff like that I worry if they even bother doing the work.
Yes it isn't about the money it is the basic trust and principles of fair business. I stopped ever going to them and I don't recommend anyone else either to go by them for services.
As for your rollers and belt, you can do it yourself as well, if you need the clutch tool I have it and you could borrow it. Also would you think of switching from rollers to sliders, if you are open to it there is plenty written up on the forum for you to read up before you replace the rollers or switch to sliders.
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Thank you very much. I actually ordered all the kit with the belt and rollers so I am equipped to do it solo.

But I feel it is such a long lasting item I want to take the opportunity to try out Scooter Bottega and get to know them.

And yes the money is the least of the problem. I used to have a Moto Guzzi that I took to Vespa Brooklyn and a few days later I got into a major tankslapper on the New Jersey turnpike. There is absolutely no way I can say it was their fault. I don't think it's a rare thing for guzzis to do that. But when I went to pick up my bike it was a weird scene where no one seemed to know anything or care much. Kind of like they didn't do anything except charge me. Just a bad vibe which I rarely get. The $300 brake fluid quote just made me relive the whole thing.

I did buy my Vespa from them and it was fine. Not great but not bad either. But for service I'm staying far far away. I feel that you really trust your life to your bike and it essential to 100% trust who is working on it.
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