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Apologies if this has been discussed, but since this past Friday I have received two or three emails from Modern Vespa telling me I have a new PM.

But when I follow the link and go to my inbox, the newest message is from last May.

What gives?
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I just sent you a test message now.

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I'm willing to believe that it's a bug. That said, it could be a message someone sent and then thought better of and deleted.
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I tried to send you one but it wouldn't leave my "outbox". So, I deleted that one from the outbox.
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Knight Train wrote:
I tried to send you one but it wouldn't leave my "outbox". So, I deleted that one from the outbox.
It only leaves the Outbox when the recipient has opened it. THEN it goes to the Sentbox.
However, if you delete it before the recipient has read it, they still get the email but can't then find the PM...
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I really must re-write the PM system.

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jess wrote:
I really must re-write the PM system.

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I've already admitted my Luddite propensities. After Treppenwitz's post I thought that through and realized that's how the system likely worked. Oops.
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Knight Train wrote:
I've already admitted my Luddite propensities. After Treppenwitz's post I thought that through and realized that's how the system likely worked. Oops.
It's not just you. I have received countless panicked emails and messages over the years about PMs not leaving the outbox. It's the way the PM system was designed in the original phpBB forum software, and it clearly is contrary to the way people actually think about messages.

It's just a stupid design.
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jess wrote:
I really must re-write the PM system.

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Perhaps - I reckon it works quite well. I don't see the need for the separate outbox/sentbox though. That's really only for email while there's a delay until the email is sent to allow for the 'Oh fuck I shouldn't have said that to the boss' situations...

And there's no sensible way to tell if an email recipient has opened an email, let alone read it or even understood it. Especially if they have MDNs turned off for quite correct security reasons.

(MDN Message Delivery Notification)
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I like that you can tell if your message has been read, or at least opened. Perhaps the labeling could more clear. Maybe instead of "sentbox" have it say something like "message has been read".
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I think there's a widely-held misconception that you can tell when a PM has been read. If I'm not mistaken (and I might be mistaken) it moves from the outbox to the sentbox when the recipient visits their inbox, not when they read the message.
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If I'm not mistaken (and I might be mistaken) it moves from the outbox to the sentbox when the recipient visits their inbox, not when they read the message.
PM sent.

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Okay, I'm not reading the PM titled "Do not read this". But I saw it in my inbox.
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And it's still in my outbox
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And now?
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It wasn't me and I'm not a Luddite, I stopped doing politics.
If Treppen gives me his address (in PM) I can send him an illustrated postcard for tourist and greeting purposes.
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And now?
Gone
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Gone
Okay. I stand corrected. It doesn't move until you read it.
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I checked this morning and found two private messages in my inbox. Impossible to tell if they got shaken loose by someone banging on the side of the server or if it was a case of both people getting frustrated with the messages not leaving their outbox, deleting them and then resending after they followed Jess' little experiment.

All's well that ends well.

As far as rewriting the PM code, that seems like a huge undertaking. Only Jess can decide if it is worth it.

But until then, maybe a pop-up note when one hits send on a PM saying "Your message will remain in your outbox until the recipient opens it" might keep misunderstandings to a minimum.
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