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that there reminds me to drink more water
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The scene went like this.

Jan 3rd, 9mm stone leaves kidney and clogs up ureter.
Kidney swells dangerously
Me - laying on the floor in pain throwing up.
Ambulance ride to ER - pumped full of drugs.
Next day, emergency stent placed to help kidney drain
Procedure had to take place in Springfield, 90 minutes from house.

NO STONE REMOVED - JUST THE STENT! WTF?
Turns out they didn't have the time - gotta schedule that .

Get the call the next day - April 8th!
Don't worry sir, stent pain will subside.

Guess what? It didn't. It got worse.

To make s long story a little shorter, I finally got the surgery for stone removal moved up to Feb 12th. Three days after that, I got to pull the stent.

Truth be told, removing the tape off my wanger that held the string was worse than the actual pulling. I just didn't stop once I started, like a band-aid.

And the first stent moved and was causing major pain to do pretty much anything. It was ridiculous.

So now I feel like it never happened. Gnarly and crazy.

So like WhoDat said - drink plenty of water! Razz emoticon

And I've got to thank Chris (scootnewb) for being my chauffeur both times and staying the night to help out if needed. Huge!
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The scene went like this.

Jan 3rd, 9mm stone leaves kidney and clogs up ureter.
Kidney swells dangerously
Me - laying on the floor in pain throwing up.
Ambulance ride to ER - pumped full of drugs.
Next day, emergency stent placed to help kidney drain
Procedure had to take place in Springfield, 90 minutes from house.

NO STONE REMOVED - JUST THE STENT! WTF?
Turns out they didn't have the time - gotta schedule that .

Get the call the next day - April 8th!
Don't worry sir, stent pain will subside.

Guess what? It didn't. It got worse.

To make s long story a little shorter, I finally got the surgery for stone removal moved up to Feb 12th. Three days after that, I got to pull the stent.

Truth be told, removing the tape off my wanger that held the string was worse than the actual pulling. I just didn't stop once I started, like a band-aid.

And the first stent moved and was causing major pain to do pretty much anything. It was ridiculous.

So now I feel like it never happened. Gnarly and crazy.

So like WhoDat said - drink plenty of water! Razz emoticon

And I've got to thank Chris (scootnewb) for being my chauffeur both times and staying the night to help out if needed. Huge!
Now that's a pal!
I found out I had a bone dying disease due to getting a kidney stone from a medication I was on at the time.

Kidney stone pain 10/10 would not recommend.
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Shouldn't you change the title of the thread to "Getting Scott, the P200 rider back on the road" for a while until your focus is back on Bianca?
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Shouldn't you change the title of the thread to "Getting Scott, the P200 rider back on the road" for a while until your focus is back on Bianca?
Heh heh heh. That's pretty funny! Amazingly enough, I went for an easy two mile walk to get my body moving again after the six weeks of stone-stent agony. No acetaminophen or ibuprofen for the last two days and I'm feeling pretty good!

I'm calling myself good to go, although my wife wants me to take it easy for another week or so.
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Now that's a pal!
I found out I had a bone dying disease due to getting a kidney stone from a medication I was on at the time.

Kidney stone pain 10/10 would not recommend.
Damn! That's brutal!
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There's not much from a blood and gore perspective that makes me pucker up, but that did it right there.

Glad to hear you're on the mend!
When I was growing up my older sister was in nursing school. She did her best to tell the grossest stories ... during dinner!

And I was freaking out when I got ready for extraction. I did my best to detach from my body and just do it!

My wife and her friend were in the other room waiting to hear me cry like a baby, but I manned up and didn't make a peep Razz emoticon
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Question for y'all.

Should I use RTV on the exhaust pipe and flange?

I noticed some spooge on it and I'm sure it's coming from the exhaust because I mangled the sleeve I had to shim it up. I've got another one on order, but thought it might be just fine with a layer of RTV between the exhaust and flange.

What would you do?[/b]
Exhaust spooge - I'll check the head to be safe but I just pressure tested it 10 miles ago...m
Exhaust spooge - I'll check the head to be safe but I just pressure tested it 10 miles ago...m
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Question for y'all.

Should I use RTV on the exhaust pipe and flange?

I noticed some spooge on it and I'm sure it's coming from the exhaust because I mangled the sleeve I had to shim it up. I've got another one on order, but thought it might be just fine with a layer of RTV between the exhaust and flange.

What would you do?[/b]
I'd never NOT use RTV on the exhaust flange. RTV Red is literally *made* for exhaust headers.
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Gah!

Just catching up on the medical 411. Again...
Gah!

You poor, poor, dood.
Glad it's all behind you. Drink lots of water people, eat your veggies, (don't take whatever Friday was taking either).

Glad you are on the mend Scott.
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Damn! That's brutal!
Could always be worse I suppose! Gabbapentin, man that shit sucked. Didn't even help with the shooting nerve pains anyways, just gave me a worse problem. It's all sort of sorted now at least!

Glad you're feeling better homie.
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Could always be worse I suppose! Gabbapentin, man that shit sucked. Didn't even help with the shooting nerve pains anyways, just gave me a worse problem. It's all sort of sorted now at least!

Glad you're feeling better homie.
Thanks brother! Yeah, gabapentin - I took one before bed and woke up around midnight. Went to stand up and almost fell over. It took till the middle of the next day for that crap to wear off. Needless to say that's the only one I took. No help whatsoever.

The only thing that seemed to help with the pain was ibuprofen, but lots of it,which causes its own issues. I'm glad I'm off everything now and I just went for a three mile walk! Time to get my body moving again!

What an eye opener it's been....
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Gah!

Just catching up on the medical 411. Again...
Gah!

You poor, poor, dood.
Glad it's all behind you. Drink lots of water people, eat your veggies, (don't take whatever Friday was taking either).

Glad you are on the mend Scott.
Thanks man - you give some good advice right there. At least a liter and a half a day of water!
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Thanks man - you give some good advice right there. At least a liter and a half a day of water!
I made it a habit to drink 1/2 liter of water when i first wake up in the morning. Then on the days that i workout, it's 3 more liters while i'm at the gym. Another 1/2 liter when i get back home, plus another 1/4 liter of soy milk in my oatmeal. So that's over a gallon before noon. Plus probably another liter or so by evening.
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A put a bunch of RTV spooge on the exhaust connection and let it set for a day or so...
RTV ring of fire
RTV ring of fire
Back on and attached
Back on and attached
Tire and spare reinstalled too .. gotta take them off to get the exhaust bolt out, or it makes it easier anyway...
Tire and spare reinstalled too .. gotta take them off to get the exhaust bolt out, or it makes it easier anyway...
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Thanks MJ - I've got that exact thing coming.from Mercado for a Tuesday arrival.then I'll use it as a template to have a few spares on hand Razz emoticon
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I don't even bother with clamps or RTV anymore. Each and every time i buy a new exhaust, i automatically weld one of these guys on ...
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/exhaust-connector-manifold-section-sip-performance_13014210
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The grand experiment continues!

Chris came over and the weather was perfect (not dumping down rain) for s tuning run.

To catch y'all up, it's got 177 PSI and runs hot.

So we got into the 140s with the main jets.
Managed to get to stay below 300f at WOT, but ran like crap down low. Too rich.

Decided to put in a head spacer and make our lives a little easier.
The bleeding edge stuff was a bit too bleeding edge for either of us.
So we are heading to being more reliable vs popping wheelies in 2nd gear...

Pulled the head and added a 1.5mm head gasket.
Wait, what's that dull spot on the piston crown?
Uh oh, it's a rough divot the size of a dime.

Damn....

Well, better in the garage vs on the road.
Looks like all the whacked timing and way too lean jetting has almost done this piston in.

....Sigh.... Live and learn...

Rejetted and Chris took it for a run.
Just fine power (not crazy cat on a hot tin roof power though). Still a bit hot.

That's as far as we got. Chris is ordering another Grand Sport piston for our grand experiment Razz emoticon

An awesome day for sure!
Quick blast around town
Quick blast around town
Uh oh, what's that rough spot? Dooohhh
Uh oh, what's that rough spot? Dooohhh
Latest jetting
Latest jetting
I was wearing this shirt Chris bought me. Appropriate...
I was wearing this shirt Chris bought me. Appropriate...
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Good catch! Beats having to split the block and clean the piston spatter out of the crankshaft and bearings.
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Hey Scott, how are you determining if you've got a timing, or jetting related issue?

Is the CHT underneath the spark, plug, or in the head?
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I don't even bother with clamps or RTV anymore. Each and every time i buy a new exhaust, i automatically weld one of these guys on ...
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/exhaust-connector-manifold-section-sip-performance_13014210
how can you clamp it tight, it has no slits. i'm confused. it welds onto the exhaust but then how does it tighten to the stub??
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how can you clamp it tight, it has no slits. i'm confused. it welds onto the exhaust but then how does it tighten to the stub??
There's a groove with an O ring that sits in it. It's best to start out with threading in a brand new exhaust stub though. It keeps the O ring from getting torn up. I also like to take a flapper disc to the exhaust stub to round over the outside edge of it. It helps big time to facilitate the fitting to slip over the stub.
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The grand experiment continues!

Chris came over and the weather was perfect (not dumping down rain) for s tuning run.

To catch y'all up, it's got 177 PSI and runs hot.

So we got into the 140s with the main jets.
Managed to get to stay below 300f at WOT, but ran like crap down low. Too rich.

Decided to put in a head spacer and make our lives a little easier.
The bleeding edge stuff was a bit too bleeding edge for either of us.
So we are heading to being more reliable vs popping wheelies in 2nd gear...

Pulled the head and added a 1.5mm head gasket.
Wait, what's that dull spot on the piston crown?
Uh oh, it's a rough divot the size of a dime.

Damn....

Well, better in the garage vs on the road.
Looks like all the whacked timing and way too lean jetting has almost done this piston in.

....Sigh.... Live and learn...

Rejetted and Chris took it for a run.
Just fine power (not crazy cat on a hot tin roof power though). Still a bit hot.

That's as far as we got. Chris is ordering another Grand Sport piston for our grand experiment Razz emoticon

An awesome day for sure!
177psi was about what my 2015 ktm 300 XCW had...after i had the combustion chamber in the head reworked...and after i lowered my squish to 1.2mm. Keep in mind that bike was a modern liquid cooled two stoke. I wouldn't trust 177psi in any air cooled two stroke. It's going to produce a lot of heat on an air cooled road going engine. Bring the timing to 18 degrees and run 112 octane. Option B is to lower the compression to around 145~150psi...while still maintaining a touring friendly 1.4~1.5mm squish. At least those are my thoughts.
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I will be curious to see what your compression number is now that you've increased your squish.
Just curious
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Points for persistency!!

It's great you both can go for rides with that scenery as a backdrop.

That's already a lot of jetting combinations tried, have you tried stock jetting?

The only thing I see as a difference now is the longer stroke crank. I'm not sure if it warrants any change to jetting. Maybe a slightly larger main jet…
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Points for persistency!!

It's great you both can go for rides with that scenery as a backdrop.

That's already a lot of jetting combinations tried, have you tried stock jetting?

The only thing I see as a difference now is the longer stroke crank. I'm not sure if it warrants any change to jetting. Maybe a slightly larger main jet…
Scott would have to tell you the details, but the stock cylinder has been warmed over a bit, so it definitely has more getup and go than an unported cylinder.
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I've experienced more than once the feeling I had drilled the carb, only to discover I had hit a void.
Something about the way they cast the carbs.

To be sure the carb is properly drilled, pull the main stack, flip the drill bit around backwards, slide the end of the drill bit in, and look down the stack hole to make sure you see the full tip (butt end) of the drill bit.

Any chance you have a partially drilled carb?
Just nice to clear that one off the table to avoid chasing ghosts.
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Piston is ok for a while yet, as long as the issue that caused it is fixed. Might have just been damaged on the early runs with lean jetting.
Jetting now is way too rich, if drilled correctly. There's no detonation marks anywhere, so not way too much timing. Something up with the head causing the heat. The psi suggests compression is way over. Must have been difficult to kick start.
Where does the piston sit at TDC, how far from the top? Could modify the head you have or buy one already reduced.
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Scott would have to tell you the details, but the stock cylinder has been warmed over a bit, so it definitely has more getup and go than an unported cylinder.
Yeah, might need a reminder on what's been done…

Going back 3-4 pages all I could pick up was a tighter squish with different packers and head spacers and ignition timing…

Didn't see any porting work, but might have missed it.
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Hey Scott, how are you determining if you've got a timing, or jetting related issue?

Is the CHT underneath the spark, plug, or in the head?
I set timing incorrectly a while back Facepalm emoticon I've since set it correctly (almost positive anyway) so that's all I'm going by.

Under the plug... Trail tech
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177psi was about what my 2015 ktm 300 XCW had...after i had the combustion chamber in the head reworked...and after i lowered my squish to 1.2mm. Keep in mind that bike was a modern liquid cooled two stoke. I wouldn't trust 177psi in any air cooled two stroke. It's going to produce a lot of heat on an air cooled road going engine. Bring the timing to 18 degrees and run 112 octane. Option B is to lower the compression to around 145~150psi...while still maintaining a touring friendly 1.4~1.5mm squish. At least those are my thoughts.
I'm thinking the same also!
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I will be curious to see what your compression number is now that you've increased your squish.
Just curious
Me too! I'll get to it at some point! Razz emoticon
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Points for persistency!!

It's great you both can go for rides with that scenery as a backdrop.

That's already a lot of jetting combinations tried, have you tried stock jetting?

The only thing I see as a difference now is the longer stroke crank. I'm not sure if it warrants any change to jetting. Maybe a slightly larger main jet…
Thanks 108. I'll give a recap of what I've done soon. I've been slammed with other life lately...
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Posted elsewhere:
I've experienced more than once the feeling I had drilled the carb, only to discover I had hit a void.
Something about the way they cast the carbs.

To be sure the carb is properly drilled, pull the main stack, flip the drill bit around backwards, slide the end of the drill bit in, and look down the stack hole to make sure you see the full tip (butt end) of the drill bit.

Any chance you have a partially drilled carb?
Just nice to clear that one off the table to avoid chasing ghosts.
Good thought CM22, but I've drilled to 2.2mm, then recently to 2.5mm, and stuck the butt end of the bit in the hole and verified through the main jet stack hole. Thanks for the idea....
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What's it's being run currently is:

It currently is a 60mm crank
35.58mm raised exhaust & 44mm wide
1.51mm base spacer
Porting on the piston also
177 PSI for the compression

It took me a while to find it also, and life has been busy to say the least!

I also got the latest compression with a 1.5mm packer, which is 142PSI.

We decided to not run the engine until getting the new piston. I've actually ran it a bit through town for errands, but I don't want to blow it up Razz emoticon

So the plan is:

Re-measure everything when the engine comes out
Re-figure out the timings
Port the new piston to match the old one, or the timings.
Put it back together and start jetting from scratch....

It's going to be a few days though. The clouds have parted and the sun is shining, so Saturday it's all about riding!
Latest compression with 1.5mm head spacer
Latest compression with 1.5mm head spacer
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qascooter wrote:
What's it's being run currently is:

It currently is a 60mm crank
35.58mm raised exhaust & 44mm wide
1.51mm base spacer
Porting on the piston also
177 PSI for the compression

It took me a while to find it also, and life has been busy to say the least!

I also got the latest compression with a 1.5mm packer, which is 142PSI.

We decided to not run the engine until getting the new piston. I've actually ran it a bit through town for errands, but I don't want to blow it up Razz emoticon

So the plan is:

Re-measure everything when the engine comes out
Re-figure out the timings
Port the new piston to match the old one, or the timings.
Put it back together and start jetting from scratch....

It's going to be a few days though. The clouds have parted and the sun is shining, so Saturday it's all about riding!
FYI, i've used a cratered piston for well over a 1000 miles after i first noticed it. No telling how long it had that crater before i checked. I ended up just leaving in there. So i wouldn't worry about it very much...like at all. I feel as though 142psi is a rock solid number. Well over a stock PSI, yet not overboard to create too much more heat.
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Agreed. I've run pistons with much deeper craters than that. Just don't make a habit of it.
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Too late - I pulled it Friday....
Engine awaiting new piston
Engine awaiting new piston
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Yachats ride yesterday! Chris brought his other P200 over and the weather was picture perfect!

I got stung by something that got in my jacket. Not bad though.
The lower brake light switch was shorting out, so we took the brake pedal out and the problem went away.
And my helmet latch broke.

Still, an awesome day riding!
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Chris inspecting the brake setup
Chris inspecting the brake setup
Helmet latch - busted ....
Helmet latch - busted ....
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