Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:08 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:08 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
Sausage recommended a zip tie in those videos but that o-ring looks like a good answer as well.
I've tried the zip tie. The bearing that was behind the fastener would always pop out and it didn't hold them in place well early on because it was too rigid.

Some sort of rubber band seems pretty obvious now that I see it.
Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:09 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:09 am linkquote
More grease makes the zip tie ok 😎
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:43 am

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Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:43 am linkquote
Excellent tips, thanks guys.

I never had a problem with just grease keeping the bearings in, as long as the Cush drive is perpendicular to gravity.

My problem is I always try to stuff an extra bearing in there which, of course, knocks out a bunch of bearings. Reset - start again...
Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:05 pm

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Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:05 pm linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
Sausage recommended a zip tie in those videos but that o-ring looks like a good answer as well.
I've always white knuckled it - dab of sticky grease and hope for the best!

Zip tie / O-ring is a good tip
Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:33 pm

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'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:33 pm linkquote
Nope, Rowdy wins hands down...like when you are down on the floor looking for that one AWOL needle . This elegant solution beats ALL those other ways and has the advantage of using it while beginning disassembly to avoid problems from the very start. Just slip it on as you pull it apart and keep it there as you grease them up. Cheap insurance I'm gonna do from now on.

Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:16 pm

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Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:16 pm linkquote
Fixed it - thanks SaFIS


Fits much better this way. Leave it to me to fit something in backwards....

Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:54 am

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PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX125 and some motorbikes
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:54 am linkquote
While we're picking holes in your work; The main bearing is not in properly and the circlip is not fitted.
Realising you may not be ready to fit this yet, when you do, put some Loctite 603 on the bearing edge and check the nuts at the clutch side are tight enough to clamp the bearing hard against the circlip and not just bottoming out on the casing.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:24 am

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:24 am linkquote
Thanks Jack - this is the "fit the crank" bearing that's been ground down so I can marvel at how the engine works without sealing it up officially.

I appreciate the good eye and the good tips!
Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:18 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:18 pm linkquote
rowdyc wrote:
Not very hard if using one of the o-rings from the gasket set to hold down the small bearings.
Damn that's a good idea.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:19 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:19 pm linkquote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Damn that's a good idea.
stoopid good idea. like duh howtf didnt we all see that before goood ideaer
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:33 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:33 pm linkquote
I got a few minutes today so put in the main bearing, with circlip, seal, crank, and kickstart gear and spring.

I'll put the cases together tomorrow. I'm super slow.


Main bearing and circlip installed!


Seal going in...


Time to pull the crank in place


I have the kick start arm a quick polish and bolted it up


Oh, and I put the fly side bearing sleeve on the crank


I forgot this pic, with the kickstart gear in, so I know I didn't forget it. Heh heh



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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:58 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:58 pm linkquote
qascooter wrote:
I'll put the cases together tomorrow. I'm super slow.
I beg to differ.... great STEADY work! And beautiful pics as usual. Enjoying this thread!
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:10 pm

Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
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Location: Los Angeles
 
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:10 pm linkquote
Kimono32 wrote:
I beg to differ.... great STEADY work! And beautiful pics as usual. Enjoying this thread!
Agreed. This thread is a treat.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:55 am

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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:55 am linkquote
Ironic - last time I was building a motor - you lead the way.
Doing it again.
Great to see - including the O ring trick - just before I get to assembly.
Looks great!
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:01 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:01 am linkquote
qascooter wrote:
I forgot this pic, with the kickstart gear in, so I know I didn't forget it. Heh heh
Who would ever do something like that?

Great pictures. So much of this sort of basic documentation (e.g. Scooterhelp, Scooter Mercato) was done back before digital photography had really hit its stride, so while the instructions are great, the imagery can be a bit lacking if you don't already know what you're looking at. Good, clear high-res photos like these absolutely add to the body of knowledge.

And that o-ring trick...muy bueno!
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:56 am

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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Location: Florence, OR
 
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:56 am linkquote
Kimono32 wrote:
I beg to differ.... great STEADY work! And beautiful pics as usual. Enjoying this thread!
Thanks K - slow & steady.

And thank you R8 - I appreciate the encouraging words...
charlieman22 wrote:
Ironic - last time I was building a motor - you lead the way.
Doing it again.
Great to see - including the O ring trick - just before I get to assembly.
Looks great!
This cracks me up - Ironic indeed, Considering you mined the metal to remake the cases, and learned the art of machining and welding, and, and, and.... Incredible stuff you do. It's fun watch what you're up to next. No doubt you'll have The Unicorn rolling before I get this engine back together, which is as it should be. Oh, hey, and I'm looking forward to checking out The Unicorn in May
chandlerman wrote:
Great pictures. So much of this sort of basic documentation (e.g. Scooterhelp, Scooter Mercato) was done back before digital photography had really hit its stride, so while the instructions are great, the imagery can be a bit lacking if you don't already know what you're looking at. Good, clear high-res photos like these absolutely add to the body of knowledge.[/i]
Thank CM1 - I haven't thought of it this way, but you are so right. I get so much out of watching the other build threads.
rowdyc wrote:
Not very hard if using one of the o-rings from the gasket set to hold down the small bearings.
And Rowdy, thanks for the tip. you should add it to the Random tricks thread: Random tricks, share your best little tips & shortcuts
Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:38 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:38 pm linkquote
Today I buttoned up the cases and installed the clutch. And since y'all said such kind words about the pictures, I took a bunch


First things first - coffee and a red velvet muffin.


I put RTV on just the areas that could leak. Thanks to the Aussie boys for the syringe trick and MJRally for the areas to seal scene.


Seal is on and now it's time to put the fly side case on.


It pretty much clicks in by jiggling the kickstart lever and shift arm. Then a few light taps with the rubber mallet


Bolted it up and torqued them down. Snugged them all up first


Oh, and I remembered to grease the long one up. The old one was in bad shape


Took a razor blade to any excess gasket material


Installed the fly side seal. I actually pushed it in where it wasn't flush with the case, so I dug it out and installed another one. Dooohhhh


I used a spacer so I couldn't mash it in too far


Here are the oil pump gears. Washer, gear, washer, clip. That little circlip was loose, so I took it off and scrunched it up, then reinstalled. Tight now


Clutch spacer, woodruff key, and pump shaft in place ready for the clutch


Rebuilt the clutch, and clutch cover


Installed a DRT 24 tooth clutch gear. Also, split a copper bushing, so I heated the 2nd one up and gently tapped it in place


I had to give the bushing a bit of a sand to get it to fit


Clutch is in and torqued down


Rebuilt the clutch cover, greased the shaft and new o-ring, and put it back together. I also torqued the cush drive and bent the tabs up. Pic was before that. That's all for today


Apple Crisp time!


This is gonna be good. You coming down Whodat? :)

Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:45 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Lucky
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:45 pm linkquote
I love any post that begins and ends with baked goods.

Also, the post had a lot of great detail, too.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:29 pm

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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:29 pm linkquote
Quote:
First things first - coffee and a red velvet muffin.
Hahaha.
What makes it one of the best reads on the forum.
I always feel like I need to brew a cup of jo to read this!
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:15 am

Member
P200
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Location: Springfield, Oregon
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:15 am linkquote
On the way over for my bimonthly dose of fresh coastal air, degreaser, gas and two stroke oil. And as an added bonus homemade apple crisp! WooHoo now we're talking. 😀



Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:27 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Lucky
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:27 am linkquote
Scootnewb wrote:
On the way over for my bimonthly dose of fresh coastal air, degreaser, gas and two stroke oil. And as an added bonus homemade apple crisp! WooHoo now we're talking. 😀
That's not home-made! He's passing off a bodged pastry on you! Run away!



Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:36 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:36 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
That's not home-made! He's passing off a bodged pastry on you! Run away!
Ha! That's an old pick from days gone by. There is my old coffee mug - sniff... I'll get a new one this morning, picture that is. And the apple crisp will be nice and warm

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Location: Nashville
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 am linkquote
qascooter wrote:
Ha! That's an old pick from days gone by. I'll get a new one this morning. And the apple crisp will be nice and warm
That's a relief!

Of course, I can't even get store-bought baked goods to show up in my workshop, so I wouldn't turn that down, even if it's not home-made apple crisp.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:43 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:43 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Of course, I can't even get store-bought baked goods to show up in my workshop, so I wouldn't turn that down, even if it's not home-made apple crisp.
You can be guaranteed if I ever make it to your shop, I'll bring baked goods. Probably store bought, but good ones. Besides, I want to see the infamous tree.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:26 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:26 am linkquote
qascooter wrote:
You can be guaranteed if I ever make it to your shop, I'll bring baked goods. Probably store bought, but good ones. Besides, I want to see the infamous tree.
Consider that a standing invitation if you ever make it to Nash Vegas!

And it's not just the tree. At this point, I can do an entire riding tour of Chandlerman's Bad Scooter Decisions.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:33 pm

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:33 pm linkquote
Excellent day in the garage today. Got the rear brake area rebuilt, and the selector box cleaned.

We also took a ride to Ron's Paint and dropped off Bianca's horncast for him to match up. Then a trip to the beach, then burritos

While eating said burritos, an old dude came over to check out the scooters and told us "I used to ride one in high school and man, it was the cat's meow"!


Rubber seals behind the brake plate


Plate on, and seal in. Brake arm greased and going in


Brakes in and ready for the hub


Welcome to the shop!


Have some warm apple crisp!


Now help me clean parts! Heh heh...


A little chilly outside. Luckybear, it's too cold for you!


Offshore breeze at the beach today

Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:04 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:04 am linkquote
Yes, Luckybears don't function well at less than 70 degrees. We're predicting high 60s in Fresno today (Thanksgiving) so no riding.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:39 am

Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:39 am linkquote
wow top shelf work qascoot might need to share recipe's soon.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:45 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:45 am linkquote
Tom Sawyer lives.
Lookin good gents.
Everything so clean and nice!
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:01 pm

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:01 pm linkquote
Thanks guys. I haven't done much in the garage but did take the stator inside and rewired it.

1) I checked the resistance values and compared them to this thread Stator Values Wiki. Thanks for this MJRally
2) Replaced all the lead wires. The yellow one was fused to the housing.
3) Crimped and soldered the appropriate connectors, with heat shrink tubing.
4) Applied liquid insulation to the wires where the meet the coil.
5) Rechecked the resistance values.

It's good to go!


Doesn't look too bat, until you touch the wires, then the insulation crumbles...


New wires soldered appropriately


Jump to the end - it's good to go.


Wire bits I dug out with a screwdriver and mini pliers

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