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Today was a fairly productive day. I managed to:

- Replace the clutch cabl
- replace the shifter cables
- Clean and regrease shifter and throttle tubes
- Put in the engine!
- Carb installed
- flywheel good to go
- cleaned up rear tail light mount and fender

The day is getting near to fire this baby up....
Old grommet
Old grommet
New grommet
New grommet
Replacing the clutch cable and the shift tube is super stiff from crud in the tube
Replacing the clutch cable and the shift tube is super stiff from crud in the tube
Clutch cable is cleaned and lubed
Clutch cable is cleaned and lubed
Shifter tube with new cables, cleaned, nd greased up. Smooth as buttah now...
Shifter tube with new cables, cleaned, nd greased up. Smooth as buttah now...
Bad news on the throttle tube side though - it's missing part of the end the tube fits into. It's not in the headset so it must've happened long ago. A problem for another day...
Bad news on the throttle tube side though - it's missing part of the end the tube fits into. It's not in the headset so it must've happened long ago. A problem for another day...
Rear rack was mounted behind the light tower - whaaaa???
Rear rack was mounted behind the light tower - whaaaa???
The other side. The rack mount made dents in the frame, and tweaked the light pedistal
The other side. The rack mount made dents in the frame, and tweaked the light pedistal
I won't bore you with the blow-by-blow, but I took it all apart, banged out the dents, straightened the light pedistal, and buffed and waxed everything
I won't bore you with the blow-by-blow, but I took it all apart, banged out the dents, straightened the light pedistal, and buffed and waxed everything
It's much better - and I waxed inside the fender well while everything was apart
It's much better - and I waxed inside the fender well while everything was apart
The engine is in! Now for the gear selector, electrical, etc ..
The engine is in! Now for the gear selector, electrical, etc ..
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ooo.
Feel it comin' together!
Motor in - game changer.

I just walked into the kitchen and grabbed a cookie.
Not sure why.
Pavlovian I think.
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I just walked into the kitchen and grabbed a cookie.
Not sure why.
Pavlovian I think.
Heh heh - Must've been that tasty chocolate, chocolate chip muffin and cup of coffee I had while working today Razz emoticon
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Well, didn't get any work done on Bianca today, but had a great day working on Feebs instead!

Chris was concerned about being jinxed cause someone at the TDC meeting said everyone has broken down at some point.. Except Chris!

So besides the BSing, coffee drinking and cookie eating, we installed a new fuel and oil line, fast flow fuel tap, and installed a CHT/RPM counter.

Oh, and fix the neutral light issues, green wire issues, and repair the white wire going to the CDI. Crumpers, soldering, and heat shrink tubing were utilized.

One other thing - we removed the kill switch arm. Now it'll always be 9n and the key is used to turn it off...

Weird thing - he had three wasps in his gas tank. No - IN THE TANK, IN THE GAS! How'd they even get in there?....
Coffee and cookies
Coffee and cookies
Syphoning gas and looking at the wasps. What?
Syphoning gas and looking at the wasps. What?
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Wasps might like ethanol?

This thread can't get any sweeter!
And you might have something here:
"Chocolate chip cookies in an aged grease compote."

BTW aren't you going to keep the BBQ rack?
What is this?
What is this?
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That's a tie down bar. For carrying something on the top of the tunnel.
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Wasps might like ethanol?

This thread can't get any sweeter!
And you might have something here:
"Chocolate chip cookies in an aged grease compote."

BTW aren't you going to keep the BBQ rack?
Thanks R8! Only non-ethanol in these scoots. And that BBQ rack mount may go back on, but not there. It will also attach to the license plate area, which wouldn't mess up the body.

FM is spot on. That little hook is a way to tie down stuff on your floorboard. Combined with a base plate, it will help stiffen up the floorboards, specifically from stress the center stand.

Learned about this here from whodatschrome

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/luggage-hook-td-customs-floor-board_12961000

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/main-stand-reinforcement-plate_12355100
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Wasps might like ethanol?

This thread can't get any sweeter!
And you might have something here:
"Chocolate chip cookies in an aged grease compote."

BTW aren't you going to keep the BBQ rack?
They will also fit an Allstate Ray.
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Thanks R8! Only non-ethanol in these scoots. And that BBQ rack mount may go back on, but not there. It will also attach to the license plate area, which wouldn't mess up the body.

FM is spot on. That little hook is a way to tie down stuff on your floorboard. Combined with a base plate, it will help stiffen up the floorboards, specifically from stress the center stand.

Learned about this here from whodatschrome

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/luggage-hook-td-customs-floor-board_12961000

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/main-stand-reinforcement-plate_12355100
Just as a heads up, that TM stand reinforcement plate does distort. When it comes time to install that plate, you might have to sandwich a thin fender washer between the centerstand brackets and the TM plate. Reason being is the the middle section of the centerstand might have a crown in it and therefore rub against the TM plate. A spacer (or spacers) can alleviate that issue. I've found I needed to do that on most of the TM plates that I have installed.
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Just as a heads up, that TM stand reinforcement plate does distort. When it comes time to install that plate, you might have to sandwich a thin fender washer between the centerstand brackets and the TM plate.
Thanks for the heads up - I'll do just that!
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Never seen the luggage hooks.
Sweet idea for a bit of useful reinforcement.
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Just as a heads up, that TM stand reinforcement plate does distort. When it comes time to install that plate, you might have to sandwich a thin fender washer between the centerstand brackets and the TM plate. Reason being is the the middle section of the centerstand might have a crown in it and therefore rub against the TM plate. A spacer (or spacers) can alleviate that issue. I've found I needed to do that on most of the TM plates that I have installed.
When I installed the reinforcing plate and sidestand on Balena Bianca I was surprised that I didn't need to put washers under the centerstand brackets.
I had to add fender washers to both smallies I installed the reinforcing plates on.
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They will also fit an Allstate Ray.
Wish I'd heard about these before. Made my own plates out of aluminum. For sure those two bolt holes are a weak spot on the oldies, over time.
Can also attest to the need for fender washers with a base plate. If not, the plate will rest against the floor rail rivets, or in my case the nuts under the ends. Had to hammer things back down after I sorted that out.
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Worked on installing the SIP Road3 exhaust, and was not successful!

I managed to trash the threads in the bolt that goes through the swingarm, and with a new bolt I couldn't get it lined up with the nut for it to screw.

It was one of those "walk away before you thrash something you can't fix" moments. So, amazingly enough, I walked away! Razz emoticon

Tomorrow is another day....
I did manage to get the rear hub balanced...
I did manage to get the rear hub balanced...
I also slathered Ruby up with show car glaze #7. She's been neglected and deserves some attention..
I also slathered Ruby up with show car glaze #7. She's been neglected and deserves some attention..
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Same thing happened to me when I tried to install a road 2.0. Had to pry the tabs apart and ebded up stripping the bolt and having to cut the nut out to get the exhaust back off. Got a Polini box and it went on smooth like butter.
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Worked on installing the SIP Road3 exhaust, and was not successful!

I managed to trash the threads in the bolt that goes through the swingarm, and with a new bolt I couldn't get it lined up with the nut for it to screw.

It was one of those "walk away before you thrash something you can't fix" moments. So, amazingly enough, I walked away! Razz emoticon

Tomorrow is another day....
I have a trick to defeat that floating nut:

Neodymium magnet and a Phillips head screwdriver. Positions and holds the nut where you want the bolt to land.
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Ray8 wrote:
I have a trick to defeat that floating nut:

Neodymium magnet and a Phillips head screwdriver. Positions and holds the nut where you want the bolt to land.
Nice one R8 - thank you! I'll give it a shot tomorrow
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Ray8 wrote:
I have a trick to defeat that floating nut:

Neodymium magnet and a Phillips head screwdriver. Positions and holds the nut where you want the bolt to land.
That's an outstanding trick.

You should send that one off to Scootering, get yourself a t-shirt like il Ginchi did for his "put a bit of old cable outer on the clutch to make it easier to adjust the pinch bolt" trick.
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Thanks to Ray8 and his excellent Top Tip, the exhaust is installed! I also used a .10mm shim between the flange and the pipe.

It's amazing what a little time away from a problem can do to solve it. I could see my issue today and had it put together in five minutes.

On to the selector box and shift cables. I I stalled the cables to the box first, then box to the engine. Pretty easy that way and I can check the selector box before it's installed and shifting gears too.

I also hooked up the brake and clutch cables.
Getting close now...

I told my wife I'm about a half hour away from starting it, so probably an hour. She smiled and held up three fingers... Razz emoticon
Yes, it's installed
Yes, it's installed
Nice and tight
Nice and tight
Selector box installed
Selector box installed
Cable pinch bolts are not created equal. The selector box takes the smaller pinch bolt. Anybody have a good source for the ones on the left?
Cable pinch bolts are not created equal. The selector box takes the smaller pinch bolt. Anybody have a good source for the ones on the left?
Top Tip from Sausage - mark on the bottom of your shifter where neutral is. That way when you're adjusting cables, you can just look over and see where neutral is at...
Top Tip from Sausage - mark on the bottom of your shifter where neutral is. That way when you're adjusting cables, you can just look over and see where neutral is at...
Brake and clutch cable connected. Thanks to Ginch for the extension to make the clutch cable easier to clamp down. I used a bicycle cable outer and drilled out the metal end caps
Brake and clutch cable connected. Thanks to Ginch for the extension to make the clutch cable easier to clamp down. I used a bicycle cable outer and drilled out the metal end caps
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It looks so nice!

Couple of tips. I had that bike.

You can find BMW Alpine White 2 in touch up pens, and it's VERY close to the original color.

#0000 steel wool will make the aluminum trim shine like new.
Wish I had a closer shot, but there were rock chips on the legshield here that I covered with the paint pen.
Wish I had a closer shot, but there were rock chips on the legshield here that I covered with the paint pen.
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You can find BMW Alpine White 2 in touch up pens, and it's VERY close to the original color..
Thanks hjo for the tips!

Lots of bodywork to do, but first I'm going to get it rolling, then bodywork and a few more mechanicals....
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I'll see if I can find a closer photo.

I tried a bunch, and found ones that matched the Rally and P200 white (they're different).

This was the rally.

I think it matched the 50 year aged color, but used polishing compound on a good spot.

The BMW white is so close.

But I didn't realize you can just order the original color.
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I'll see if I can find a closer photo.

I tried a bunch, and found ones that matched the Rally and P200 white (they're different).

This was the rally.

I think it matched the 50 year aged color, but used polishing compound on a good spot.

The BMW white is so close.

But I didn't realize you can just order the original color.
When touching up try a softer plastic straight edge that won't deform and scoop paint out of the chip. You can fill in the hole but not create build up on the edges. I think it got that from DR color chip or one of those touch up paint companies. There paint comes in what looks like a nail polish bottle.
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That's an outstanding trick.

You should send that one off to Scootering, get yourself a t-shirt like il Ginchi did for his "put a bit of old cable outer on the clutch to make it easier to adjust the pinch bolt" trick.
I'd settle for a black cat under my avatar.
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Today I sorted out some electrical stuff, crossed the Ts and dotted the I's, then.....

STARTED HER UP!!!! WooooHoooooo!!!!

First, the mundane - the neutral switch wires were soldered to the switch. I unsoldered them, and put proper connectors on the wires. I gotta order one of those boots for it. But it now works!

I also connected all the wires in the junction box.

I cheated and cut out of green kill wire and soldered on a new chunk of green wire. Cleaned it up nicely.

Torqued down the rear nut and put a pin in it.

Added gear oil and sucked out the air in the oil feed tube.

Added oil to the tank to compensate for the autolube not functioning fully for a bit.

Nothing left but to kick it over!

I want to time it before running it too much. I figured 21 degrees? What do you all think?

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Junction box good to go. Notice the green wire solder and splice
Junction box good to go. Notice the green wire solder and splice
Neutral switch working. I need a rubber boot... Next order...
Neutral switch working. I need a rubber boot... Next order...
Green light - go!
Green light - go!
Proof of the pin in place...
Proof of the pin in place...
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Thanks hjo and Christopher for the paint tips.

I took Chris down to my buddy Ron's at Ron's Paint and had him mix up some single stage paint to match.

Funny story - I always used to mess with his name (Ron-Jon, Ronnie boy, Ronald McDonald, etc). So of course he'd retialiate, and still is to this day. Razz emoticon
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A successful first start is one of the greatest feelings. Nice work, Scott!
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I use a round toothpick for filling in small paint chips. It takes a little while, but you can get great precision with it.


And I'd remove that cotter pin, give it a 90 degree turn, then reinstall it.


Lookin great Scott!
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FIRST START MILESTONE ACHIEVED!!! You have now increased your fun stats by 100 points! Way to go Scott & Chris!
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Thanks everyone! I'm stoked to have it running. Now to get some more stuff lined up so I can ride it.
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I use a round toothpick for filling in small paint chips. It takes a little while, but you can get great precision with it.

And I'd remove that cotter pin, give it a 90 degree turn, then reinstall it.
Thanks for the paint tip. And I did the pin 90 degrees off?!? Dangit! I go back and forth with that one. I'll switch it tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up!
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Oh, the JOY of the first start video!!!! Whoop!!! Excellent work, Gamronski and Chris! (Petty knows how it feels and so do YOU🥳🥳🥳🥳)
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Thanks everyone! I'm stoked to have it running. Now to get some more stuff lined up so I can ride it.



Thanks for the paint tip. And I did the pin 90 degrees off?!? Dangit! I go back and forth with that one. I'll switch it tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up!
The cotter pin debate is one of endless argument. You've not done it wrong, but in general the other way is stronger. I can confirm that I've seen it done the preferred way on more than a few original condition Vespas.
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I want to time it before running it too much. I figured 21 degrees? What do you all think?
It runs! Sounds exactly like a wolf in sheep's clothing should.

Jetting doesn't seem great. Where you starting at?

With the lower compression (not 13:1), 7500rpm expected and bigger than tight squish, 21 degrees might be ok. Put it there and see how it sets up.
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Thanks everyone - I'm pretty happy about it starting right up. I wouldn't idle clean though. I think I'm running too lean on the idle jet.
Jack221 wrote:
Jetting doesn't seem great. Where you starting at?
I had in there a 160/BE3/122 with 48/140 idle. I figured it's close to stock, and that's what I'm running stock. But wait, it's not stock!

I'm going to change it to 140/BE4/122 and a richer idle jet and see how it runs.

Where do you think I should start at jetting wise?
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It sounded lean across the rev range.

BE4 is probably too much on the atomizer. You have a BE5? 140 AC is definitely a good starting point for everything else. 122 main is also too lean to start with. Start with at least a 130 and make sure it bogs at WOT. You can then walk your way down until it runs cleanly at WOT in 3rd, then work on the idle and atomizer.
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