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Any MV users with a sidecar setup?

Pic via Reddit

Hope all are safe and well.

Cheers,
David[/url]
Vespa with sidecar
Vespa with sidecar
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Been there, done that, it tried to kill me... my issue was too many bikes of too many types on the road at once. Left hand shift, right hand shift, down for down and reversed shift patterns, 3, 4 & 5 speed, plus a semi auto, and one with a sidecar... a bit stupid really. It was a 350 Jawa with a Velorex, i should really find and post a picture.

Anyway, DAMN... thats a nice rig you've got! Gets a man ta thinkin about doin something he probably shouldn't.

Thanks for posting... now post a few more shots.

Please, oh please!
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I set up a Texas Via sidecar on a GTS 250 and ran it for several years. Sold now. Very few suitable sidecars presently available for scooters and even fewer folks around who will help you set one up. A sidecar is a bit of a handful for a GTS, let alone for a lighter Vespa. The weight is a workout for the CVT and brakes. The sidecar also tends to exaggerate the head shake that already occurs on the GTS under some conditions. You really need a hydraulic steering damper. And learning to ride one is an experience. The scooter does not lean with the sidecar in place so you steer it with your arms and by shifting your weight. Be careful in the left hand (edit: right in US) turns as lifting the sidecar wheel off the ground can lead to more excitement than you might choose.
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Do either of these run a linked sidecar brake? My Jawa had the sidecar's brake linked to the bike's rear brake, even with crappy 6" drums all around it would stopped hard and straight if set up correctly and maintained.

And yes, learning to pilot one of these things is an experience. Nothing seems to work right! You're either running around the sidecar if you're on the gas or its trying to run around you because you cut the throttle.

I was once told its easier to learn to drive one if you've never ridden a motorcycle or scooter before, I believe it, as you'd not have any engrained skills to unlearn while trying to get used to driving a crab.
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Aesthetically it is beautiful but from a driving point of view it is demanding ... a lot. Especially in sudden, heart-attacking braking.
Better a three-wheeler.
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As said a Vespa hack can be a lot to handle. A few of us here are sidecar owners though mostly attached to motorcycles. In my experiences it's the right hand turn that can cause the chair to fly. If that happens just roll off the throttle and it should come down. With practice you can actually learn how to fly the chair on purpose but yeah you want a big parking lot to practice that.

I love the look of a Vespa hack but would definitely want it as a second Vespa and still have one to ride.

Here I am out for my morning coffee as I type this.
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Harbinger wrote:
In my experiences it's the right hand turn that can cause the chair to fly. If that happens just roll off the throttle and it should come down. With practice you can actually learn how to fly the chair on purpose but yeah you want a big parking lot to practice that. is.
Yes, you are correct of course. The weight transfers to the outside on a curve, so there is a tendency for the hack wheel to lift when it is on the inside of the turn. I used to put a bag of lead shot on the sidecar floor when I was riding without a passenger.

And as far as linked brakes, my Vespa hack did not have them. A scooter hack is much lighter than the hack on a Ural so it is not so pronounced an issue. I see new Urals have a disc on the sidecar wheel. My old Ural had drum brakes which had some tendency to get out of adjustment and overheat or not work very well. Not fun when the sidecar tries to pass the bike when braking. .
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Dooglas wrote:
I used to put a bag of lead shot on the sidecar floor when I was riding without a passenger.
I had a P200E with a California Side Car and I would carry a 50 lb bag of sand when riding solo. Sand is cheaper than shot so I could leave it behind if I picked up cargo or a passenger.

I rigged up a steering damper from a Beetle and that changed it from undrivable to a chore to drive.
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You need a wide set of handlebars on the scoot, which Vespas don't have. You will also burn your way thru front tires (and clutches on an old scoot with manual gears). That said, I had a BMW Airhead with a hack and was interesting, to say the least. It really was great when the weather turned bad and it gave me a little more bulk on the road which helped with the cagers. It was slower of course, but where it really shined was at any kind of motorcycle gathering. There was always a line of ladies that wanted a ride in that sidecar. But that was 40 years ago...damn I got old.
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