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A couple of seasons back I had some Heidenau K58s put on the ZNEN and I could not get them to balance. I had them taken off and different tires put back on.

This is what the bead looked like when I brought the tires home. Shame on me for not screaming at the time, but could this cause them to not balance after they're mounted? I'm thinking of putting them on the Stella, but I thought I'd ask before I even try. They quite literally have less than 250 miles on them.
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Personally, I would NOT put this on my bike. Period
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Whomever worked on this tire last trashed it. Toss it and don't buy Heidenau tires. Way over kill for a scooter. I change tires on BMW bikes, the guys who bring in there GS machines and want Heidenau tires on them I shake my head and ask why. The sidewalls are iron. They are just over kill and cause many problems like you have or even damaged rims on your wheel. On a 12" rim, geeze.
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beech wrote:
Whomever worked on this tire last trashed it. Toss it and don't buy Heidenau tires. Way over kill for a scooter. I change tires on BMW bikes, the guys who bring in there GS machines and want Heidenau tires on them I shake my head and ask why. The sidewalls are iron. They are just over kill and cause many problems like you have or even damaged rims on your wheel. On a 12" rim, geeze.
What tires do you run on your scooter?
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I did find THIS link on a dirt bike forum. His tires looked about the same.

I did notice for the short time I rode them, they were really hard. So, thanks for the confirmation.

The reason I'm considering using them is simply for winter riding. The deal is the Stella has 9 year old whitewalls that are bluewalls because the PO painted the bike with spray cans and a brush. Also the tires. So I'll be buying some nicer tires - either some City Grips or S1s - and some better looking rims for summer riding, and I thought I'd throw the Heidenaus on the old rims for winter. At that point I'll have them and extra rims anyway.

I'll give "rebending" them a shot and follow up later.

Thanks again.
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That damage could have been done during mounting and the bead may never have seated properly thereby creating a vibration or out-of-balance symptom. Or it may have been done when the tire was removed. Either way - a sloppy job and the bead (generally steel cable) may be damaged and compromised. I wouldn't use it again.
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Odd man out - If you are putting on a Stella, which has split rims and a tube, it would be easy enough to put it on the spare to see if you can get the bead to seat. If not, then I would bin them. Honestly, I never bothered to balance a 10 inch wheel, not really worth the trouble for a tire that would never see much over 50 mph. This is on a older 2T Vespa.
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beech wrote:
Whomever worked on this tire last trashed it. Toss it and don't buy Heidenau tires. Way over kill for a scooter. I change tires on BMW bikes, the guys who bring in there GS machines and want Heidenau tires on them I shake my head and ask why. The sidewalls are iron. They are just over kill and cause many problems like you have or even damaged rims on your wheel. On a 12" rim, geeze.
I don't find them any more difficult than Michelin's to mount. Dunlop and IRC can be a little tricky.

either way, you just can't be a gorilla. tires are like life: lube, pressure and angle of attack.
(also helps if you warm them up and have the right tools for the job)
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I'm with T on this one. if you can get them to seat on the rim, they'd probably be okay for winter riding. otherwise, make planters out of them!
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I had gone thru three front and four rear Heidenau tires on my 2009 GTV before it was totaled at 19k miles. I had no problems with them and they ran flawlessly. I always had a local shop mount them for me. Ultimately, I bought a balancing tool and balanced them myself tho. It was easy.

Now my only ride is an 2001 BMW R1100RT touring bike with 112k miles on it. At the moment, I need to replace the tires and I'd been looking at tire changing videos from a well known BMW mechanic on YouTube by the name of Chris Harris. If you own a BMW from the early 1990s - mid 2000s, you will know Chris' name. This video shows him changing tires on BMW rims without a lot tools or machinery - skip ahead to 3:10. Chris is a classic New Englander and swears a lot to emphasize his talking points, just enjoy it and don't be turned off. The same technique will work on Vespa rims I believe. I'm not advocating you change your own tires necessarily but am advocating you educate yourself on how MC/scooter tires are changed so you understand what your mechanic is telling you. And if your bull-shit meter goes sky high when talking to the shop before having them change your tires, you'll have some basis in understanding why. Just sayin'.

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Since they're paid for already I'm going to try straightening the bead a little with some wood clamps and mount them up. Just monkeying with them last night (I was working on a cabinet door in the camper, hence the wood clamp ideer) I made some progress.

If they're horrible they will be the perfect accompaniment to the horrible wheels that are already on the bike.
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This has been shared before, but - even though it's incredibly helpful - it made me laugh.

"Step one - run over your tire with a Jeep."

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