Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:32 pm

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GILERA FUOCO II & GTS 300 SUPER
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GILERA FUOCO II & GTS 300 SUPER
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Location: PORTLAND
Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:32 pm linkquote
https://www.visordown.com/news/industry/peugeot-issued-huge-fine-must-stop-selling-metropolis-piaggio-wages-war

This is a good read. These seems to have taken a while but looks like Piaggio may come out on top of this one...
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 pm

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
 
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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Posts: 549
Location: Belgium
Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 pm linkquote
Piaggio is really drinking the Apple koolaid here. They'll sue anybody.

My question is, why sue a manufacturer which does not use the same suspension setup and does not have headstock bearing issues like the original Piaggio??? If you're gonna make a copycat product, copy the good, the bad, and the ugly. Ironically, Peugeot used to buy the Master 500 engine from Piaggio for one of their earlier bikes, the Satelis. Perhaps it is just a case of case of sour grapes?

Even Steve Jobs freely admitted "good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas".

And even if Peugeot did copy some tech, it surely wasn't the keyless ignition, the LED headlight technology or the color TFT screen since the MP3 still doesn't have any of these common features and instead Piaggio saddles us with a 1980s era LCD panel that looks like it was sourced from the dollar store that can't even display consumption in the traditional xL/100km. Instead, it shows you km/L which is some f'd up metric version of mpg and basically useless. Worse yet, it can't even display actual speed.

My take is that Piaggio are worried about losing marketshare in the biggest market for the MP3, France particularly Paris. The Metropolis has been on the market since 2013, so why did it take them 8 years to sue? My guess is because Peugeot's newly introduced 3rd gen Metropolis is a brisk seller unlike the prior gens so Piaggio didn't want to bother spending the time or paying the lawyers . . . . until now. Strictly a guess
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:25 am

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Piaggio MP3 500
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Location: Austin, TX
 
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Piaggio MP3 500
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Location: Austin, TX
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:25 am linkquote
Working in the high tech industry, every company that I worked for that was successful was glad to get sued over patent violation. We would have a patent infringement lawsuit party.
Because the company suing was essentially saying "We lost and you won". The result was nearly always cross-licensing of technology because company A was almost always violating company B's patents somehow too. But what this says is that:

1) Piaggio has lost. They cannot compete anymore. Look for the MP3 to disappear within a few years.
2) Peugeot has a much better product. If you want a leaning three wheeler, buy a Peugeot.

I'm sorry to say this, because I really like my MP3. But it's the way things are.

Apple is an outlier. Those scumbags just sue everybody. They have their own in-house "patent troll" department, and they're expected to make a profit- it's easier to pay up than to fight them.
Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:00 pm

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2019 MP3 500 Sport
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Location: California
 
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2019 MP3 500 Sport
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Location: California
Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:00 pm linkquote
sbaert wrote:
... My take is that Piaggio are worried about losing marketshare in the biggest market for the MP3, France particularly Paris. The Metropolis has been on the market since 2013, so why did it take them 8 years to sue? My guess is because Peugeot's newly introduced 3rd gen Metropolis is a brisk seller unlike the prior gens so Piaggio didn't want to bother spending the time or paying the lawyers . . . . until now. Strictly a guess
Well, this is Europe. Governments will get involved and an agreement will be made... in a few years.

Also the Peugot is 400cc. These things need every horse they get, IMO. I'd stick with the MP3 500.

Undoubtedly Piaggio needs a new step forward with the MP3 updates.
Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:53 pm

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Location: Netherlands Olst
 
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:53 pm linkquote
its just a local court peugeot will go against it and then the stop for selling and producing will be suspended till the next court case that will rule different

Samsung and apple do this also all the time neither apple or Samsung did have to stop selling there products
Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:00 am

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mp3 500 2016
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Location: singapore
 
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mp3 500 2016
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Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:00 am linkquote
its easier to make money than actually selling the product!
u get to control the whole market.
Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:23 pm

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MP3 400
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Location: Brisbane
 
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Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:23 pm linkquote
This is probably more a warning shot to Peugeot's parent company and that other country that doesn't seem too concerned with patents.
Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:15 pm

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:15 pm linkquote
This is nothing new for Piaggio. They've been doing this for eons, i.e. the sorta lookalike Vespa lookalike scooters coming out of China.
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:25 am

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Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:25 am linkquote
Piaggio is just pissed because they're loosing ground to a better design. The MP3 platform has been in production for well over a decade and the front end bugs still haven't been worked out, the steering head bearings are still a problem.

My MP3 500 was a very expensive disappointment which I found had many design weakness in its front suspension and even more manufacturing flaws. I spent over 15 years in engineering of automotive bearings and some of the manufacturing flaws and poor quality control that I saw in my own MP3's front end when I pulled it apart were very scary. I could have rebuilt it but thought it better if it was sold for scrap.
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