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Well, at 26k miles my stock rear shocks crapped out on me tonight. Ride has been a little rougher but tonight I felt like I had a flat tire almost. Got off and leaned on it and it didn't go up or down, they done.

I'm a little over 300lbs, and at 26k miles in 8 years I feel like I got my money's worth out of the stock ones.

With my heavier weight, I'm wondering if any of the rear shocks stand out as handling that better than others?

The front shock has already been replaced at the start of the summer with a BiTurbo model, though I am struggling to dial it in right now, it is super hard.

So any advice on either of these topics would be appreciated

ps...
I did look though the mtns of posts on shocks, but didn't see much about heavy settings.
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You are not a "bigger guy"- rather a "man of stature".
(I also carry my pillion around my waist. That way she doen't interfere with my riding)

On Sunny, my first GTS (which I bought used) I fitted a Biturbo up front as well, set just a click harder than midrange. I want some adjustment available if it goes softer with age - like me.

I shall need to research what rear shocks we put on. They made a big difference but as my Vespa guru sourced them for me, I can't recall what brand they were - I just remember that they were white ones...

EDIT: An inspection in loco reveals they are Carbone rear shocks - white coil springs.
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With my heavier weight, I'm wondering if any of the rear shocks stand out as handling that better than others?
Most of the aftermarket shocks like bitubo, malossi, sip, bgm etc after firmer than stock. Personally I'm a fan of the sip front and rear
Fudmucker wrote:
I can't recall what brand they were - I just remember that they were white ones...
Maybe Malossi RS24
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I haven't seen anyone using them here in the U.S. but I have seen videos of BGM shocks https://www.bgm-tuning.com/en/product/bgm7789nb-stodmpfer-set-hinten-bgm-pro-sc-r12-competition-340mm-vespa-gt-125-200-gtl-125-200-gts-125-300-gtv-125-300-schwarz/ being deployed. You may want to check those out.
What I would say is whatever shocks you go with, get the Clauss bushings https://www.claussstudios.com/store/c46/Vespa.html, they make a difference.
I haven't tried the YSS shocks, but from all that I have read, I think they probably give the best bang for the bucks.
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Can tell you not to waste your money on rear Bitubo's $500 and didnt last long at all. My front Bitubo actually did well

I went to cheaper shocks this time (Carbone - all white ones) all the way around and am happy so far though a bit stiff (I weigh 200), got all 3 at SIP for ~$300 and yes poly bushings are better IMO.
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Right now I was looking at the 350 biturbo's or the SIP ones. My concern though is always my weight and longevity.

I have the Jettin Bushing from back in the day, I assume they are roughly the same as the Klaus ones.
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Right now I was looking at the 350 biturbo's or the SIP ones. My concern though is always my weight and longevity.
I've done about 10,000km on my SIP and going well. Still happy with my choice
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Hi going through the same dilemma as you.
I am happy with the front ess but the back shock is too soft even at hardest settings more so as I ride a lot with a passenger . I did a lot of research on MV with a local club and with two of the local dealers.
I narrowed down my possibilities. I didn't bite the bullet yet as I am waiting for some replies. see below.

All of the aftermarket shocks are stiffer.
I purchased the clauss donuts in anticipation of whatever i choose
This is only my opinion and my narrowed down choices and there are plenty of other options out there.


1 Malossi rs24 Consensus: From local dealers other riders and here on MV I would say the best choice if you have the cash is the Malossi rs24.
Motovista scooterpartsco.com Has the best price I have found. 269.00 inc shipping to USA. (if you are from Canada and reading this he understands and makes it easy for shipping to Canada)

2. YSS. The local dealer (best in area for mechanical work and repairs) here says this is his medium price go to for vespa shock upgrade. Cheapest I found is on ebay pair for about 121.00 usd plus shipping. They quoted me shipping cost 59,00 euro with Express courier in 7 working days delivery to Canada, might be less to USA.
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3. Carbone: The official Piaggio-Vespa dealer and a lot of people here on MV really like this shock. best price is from SIP at 160 usd plus shipping but i think good value only if you are ordering other stuff at the same time to save on shipping, but they are out of stock. You can find them sometimes on ebay for 148.00 usd plus shipping. Scooterpartsco has them at 189.00 including free shipping, best value if you are in the USA.

4. Just change the springs. This is why I am waiting. I was wondering why not just change the springs? I am not unhappy with the shocks they are just too soft. So.... I purchased a pair of take offs and spoke to the local suspension shop. I had done some work with them on my previous motorcycles and was very very happy. I know that the shock is sealed so they cannot refill it, but they may be able to change the spring for something ''heavier'' and more suitable to my weight. I just sent it to them this week and am waiting for their reply. If not too costly I will go this route.
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Malossi, bitubo, mupo or ohlins. The rest are style over substance.
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Well, at 26k miles my stock rear shocks crapped out on me tonight. Ride has been a little rougher but tonight I felt like I had a flat tire almost. Got off and leaned on it and it didn't go up or down, they done.
I would say that since you got 26,000 miles out of the shocks, that the originals are OK. Buying the OEM shocks and getting another 26,000 miles wouldn't be bad at all.

I have Malossi shocks on the rear of Rocket. The original shocks lasted to 55,000 miles. The Malossi shocks are still on it at 100,000 and doing well. For me, I can't feel the difference between them and the OEM rear shocks on my two other identical Vespa GTs.

And a bushing gave way on one of them recently. leaving the bottom connection loose. Never had that on one of the OEM.

As for "it didn't go up or down", that is not what shocks and springs do when they wear out.

They should go up and down much too easily, bottoming out with little weight placed on them.

Yours sound like one of them got stuck.

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Sorry, When I said didn't go up or down I can see how that sounds like stuck. When I got off, there was no up motion as I got off. The body weight of the scooter itself had the shocks almost bottomed out. So when I put weight on the bike with my hand, it didn't go up or down, it was basically sitting at a bottomed out setting.
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Ciao from Italy Kevin,

I know they cost a bit but I'm a huge fan of Ohlins suspension going back to my road racing days.

When you order shocks from Ohlins USA you can specify the spring weight based on your weight, the load on the scooter, if you ride with a passenger, etc…

The spring rate is the most important factor in getting the right shocks for you.

In Dallas you should contact Jeff Nash at Ducati Dallas, they're an Ohlins dealer and authorized service center. They know their stuff.

Good luck and ride safe !
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240 lbs here. Probably 260ish with all the gear.

R24's front and back on my GTS. A bit on the stiff side but the bike is very planted and eats all the small bumps quite well. Happy with everything but the price. The OEM ones were shot after 5k miles (previous owner).

Also have R24's on my BV250 on the rear and they're just about perfect.
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There are a lot of companies rebadging the same Asian shocks right now. They look good, Piaggio set a very low bar with the OEM shocks, and most Vespas aren't ridden in a spirited manner. So they will be fine. But if you buy racing shocks, there should be photos out there of them in races. Ohlins, Malossi, Mupo, Bitubo- lots and lots of photos, videos, etc. Both factory teams and privateers. With a lot of other shocks, someone in marketing liked the word.
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