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Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:22 pm linkquote
How far will this go? Implications for the future are ominous.


https://www.thedrive.com/news/42744/california-is-banning-small-engines-heres-what-it-means
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:31 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:31 pm linkquote
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How far will this go? Implications for the future are ominous.


https://www.thedrive.com/news/42744/california-is-banning-small-engines-heres-what-it-means
Honestly, for me, it's not a problem. Virtually all my machines are battery powered now. They are quieter, don't have maintenance issues, don't suffer starting problems from aging gas and can't start a fire like their gas equivalents. I am continually surprised at how good battery powered equipment is. I have all Makita: impact driver, drill, vaccuum, yard blower, weed-whacker and chain saw. My small (12" bar) chain saw can easily cut a 24" tree down, chop off all the branches, and cut them into firewood, usually on just a couple batteries. The only two machines that are unlikely to be battery powered anytime soon are my 28 yo, 12 hp tractor and my wood-chipper. And I got rid of my lawn decades ago.

Even the cheap stuff, e.g. Ryobi, is pretty good. I have an 8" bar pole chain saw and is so much easier than a manual pole saw

Miguel
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:51 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:51 pm linkquote
Are small engines also included those of scooters?
Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07 pm linkquote
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Are small engines also included those of scooters?
Maybe 50cc ?
Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:18 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:18 pm linkquote
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Maybe 50cc ?
In particular, Genuine's Buddy 50?
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:23 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:23 pm linkquote
I dont think this is going to be that big of an issue. I think planned obsolescence will slowly steer the market that way regardless. How many people know how to work on an engine now a day? How many small engine shops do you even see anymore? It's more expensive to pay someone to fix it, than it is to buy new.

That said, every yard tool I have is gas powered I'm also the neighborhood small engine fixer thanks to vintage Vespas. Ethanol gas makes up 90% of the problems ive seen. Cheap plastic cam sprockets make up the other 10%.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:40 pm

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Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:40 pm linkquote
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The only two machines that are unlikely to be battery powered anytime soon are my 28 yo, 12 hp tractor and my wood-chipper. And I got rid of my lawn decades ago.
I'm with you. I am using practically all battery powered small tools. I have a battery powered chainsaw, edger, and lawn mower. The only gasoline powered building or lawn tool I still use is a wood chipper - and I would love to replace that with an electrically powered one.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:04 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:04 am linkquote
The lifecycle carbon cost of batteries needs to be seriously exhamined before any such legislation is enacted. There just isn't enough Lithium available either.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:22 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:22 am linkquote
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Are small engines also included those of scooters?
No, the ban is for "off road" petrol/gas engines (for now)
Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:56 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:56 am linkquote
I looked at the current crop of electric mowers when replacing my 20 year old briggs and stratton powered mower. Ended up with a fairly grunty gas mower that was about half the price of a similar feature electric. I can't see parts/batteries available in 14 years for the current crop of electrics (been there with drills and electric screwdrivers).

A battery for a Bosch mower cost the same as I paid for my mower.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:57 am linkquote
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The lifecycle carbon cost of batteries needs to be seriously exhamined before any such legislation is enacted.
Of course not they are pandering to muppets.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:55 am linkquote
My concern is more towards Nitrogen/weed control run off into the water supply. This promotes algae blooms that kill aquatic plants and animals.
When I lived in a house, I didn't use fertilizer or weed control. I just set my mower to the lowest setting and to hell with keeping up with the Joneses.
IMHO leaf blowers are for pussies, I've never owned one. Get a rake and get some exercise.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:20 am linkquote
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Are small engines also included those of scooters?
I would assume that if they are going to ban automobiles with internal combustion engines by 2035 as well as all small motors for lawn mowers and such, its only a matter of time before the sale of motorcycles and scooters with similar powerplants is banned as well if it isn't already in that legislation somewhere.

I going to stock up on parts for my 2 stroke stinkwheel now!



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Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:12 am linkquote
I think people generally misunderstand California's intent on this subject. It doesn't help that the media (and people right here in this thread) perform the obligatory knee-jerk whenever California enacts new environmental legislation, and then everybody slaps each other on the back and says "Good one, Bubba!" to each other.

The point of this kind of legislation is to set the direction for the rest of the country. By pushing the envelope, we move the center point in the direction we think it should be headed. Eventually, the rest of the country catches up. It often takes a while, but progress is never instantaneous. It's important that there is at least direction, and someone's got to step up and provide it.

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:57 am linkquote
Now what in tarnation are those dad blummed hippies up to now?

Seriously though. This quote is pretty amazing
Quote:
In fact, CARB says that running a leaf blower for an hour is equivalent to driving a 2017 Toyota Camry for 1,100 miles.
The advances in the reduction in emissions in automobiles is quite spectacular and CARB had a lot to do with it. Thank you California.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:13 am linkquote
I find that raking the leaves with the special tool is more relaxing ...
If you want to pollute anyway, you can set the pile of leaves on fire.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:04 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:04 am linkquote
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I find that raking the leaves with the special tool is more relaxing ...
If you want to pollute anyway, you can set the pile of leaves on fire.
At least in my area on the California central coast, you have to have a burn permit from the fire department. I'm sure there are many reasons for this (control the local air pollution, keep from overwhelming fire departments if multiple fires get out of control, the fire departments know where fires are burning, ...). Further, you can only burn during the Winter to prevent starting a fire (Winter here is the wet season, Spring thru Fall is the dry season so the landscape is susceptible to fires). Farmers often gather up crop debris in the fall and burn it in the Winter and the downwind air quality can be overwhelming.

Miguel
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:08 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:08 am linkquote
My first thought was really? So no generators when the power goes out. Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?

And where is all this new power to charge the replacements coming from? Not from the Hydro Damns, that's for sure for the next few years at the least.

And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:15 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:15 am linkquote
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My first thought was really? So no generators when the power goes out. Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?
To be fair, Texas is now pretty well known for power outages...
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:18 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:18 am linkquote
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Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?
I think you know my thoughts on criticism of California from flyover states.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:41 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:41 am linkquote
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And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future.
I don't think so but if it were true I would go back to the streets to demonstrate against nuclear power as in the 70s ... and armed with a cane.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:07 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:07 am linkquote
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And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future.
I am also having difficulty verifying this claim.
Do you have any references that suggest Greenpeace is advocating *FOR* nuclear energy?

On their own website I find this:
Nuclear Energy
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive. Say no to new nukes.
Nuclear energy has no place in a safe, clean, sustainable future.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:18 am linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
I am also having difficulty verifying this claim.
Do you have any references that suggest Greenpeace is advocating *FOR* nuclear energy?
He said "founders of Greenpeace", which I take to mean, vaguely, "Someone on the internet who is ostensibly pro-environment once advocated for Nuclear energy".

But if by some chance he meant the literal founders of Greenpeace, well... all of those people are actually dead now. I don't think they are advocating for OR against nuclear energy at this point.

See: https://www.greenpeace.org/international/explore/about/founders/
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:44 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:44 am linkquote
jess wrote:
He said "founders of Greenpeace", which I take to mean, vaguely, "Someone on the internet who is ostensibly pro-environment once advocated for Nuclear energy".

But if by some chance he meant the literal founders of Greenpeace, well... all of those people are actually dead now. I don't think they are advocating for OR against nuclear energy at this point.

See: https://www.greenpeace.org/international/explore/about/founders/
Reading comprehension fail on my part, I guess.

So I did find this:
https://www.wired.com/2007/11/co-founder-of-greenpeace-envisions-a-nuclear-future/

Seems at least *A* founder of Greenpeace has changed his opinion. Except....

We need to consider this, from Greenpeace (he isn't a founder):
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

Quote from the article:
Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:54 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:54 am linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
Seems at least *A* founder of Greenpeace has changed his opinion.
Doesn't really seem like an earth-shattering revelation.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:57 am linkquote
jess wrote:
I think you know my thoughts on criticism of California from flyover states.
This made me laugh coffee outta my nose!
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:02 am linkquote
Jess,

I love you man. I do acknowledge that California definitely steps out on trying new
policies on energy, the environment, and a variety of social programs.

I would be somewhat reluctant to claim the moral high ground just yet. The jury
is still out on the ultimate consequences of these policies. I firmly believe that good will
is behind them. Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more
than just the price of doing business.

1. Reimaging Police Enforcement - crime is spiking at historical levels. Even my
home State of "Minnesota Nice" is devolving into a gang bang shoot out zone.

2. Environmental move to all things electric - electricity has to be produced somewhere.
Texas went all in on renewable solar and wind generated power. These are simply
not enough to sustain demand. Devolving into a third world country with regular back outs.

3. Social engineering: Folks are crapping/pissing and camping out in public spaces
in beautiful California cities.

Additionally, those Fly Over Country Rascals really need to go to reeducation camps
in Sacramento.

Mrs Silence Dogood
Frost Bite Falls Minnesota

P.S. You can censor my speech, you can have my guns, but I am not giving up my Gas Vespa!


I am turning off all the power in my house regularly to practice for the future.

Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:06 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:06 am linkquote
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Doesn't really seem like an earth-shattering revelation.
Except he isn't a founder. Just a guy brought on a bit later.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:09 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:09 am linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more
than just the price of doing business.

Bob, you are presuming that correlation is causation here.

Personally I think it's best to aim for the moral high ground in all cases, as opposed to the alternatives....

Sort of an "if you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing" position.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:14 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:14 am linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more than just the price of doing business.
"Unintended consequences" is the boogeyman that every single luddite wields as a club against progress. Every. Single. One.

Progress is rarely a straight line. You know what we collectively do when unintended consequences actually happen? We re-adjust our course. And we keep moving. Continually. Forever. Because standing still is death.

You can stand still if you want. We'll be over here, making progress while you shake your fist.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:19 am linkquote
If half of the people on the planet stopped using ICE it would a much cleaner world. Where's Thanos when we need him.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:24 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:24 am linkquote
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If half of the people on the planet stopped using ICE it would a much cleaner world. Where's Thanos when we need him.
Thanos rebranded himself and adjusted his target audience. His new name is COVID-19.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:30 am linkquote
Bob Copeland wrote:
1. Reimaging Police Enforcement - crime is spiking at historical levels. Even my
home State of "Minnesota Nice" is devolving into a gang bang shoot out zone.
Just wanted to address this specifically, because it is bullshit. "Crime" is not spiking. Most crime in the US is at or near historic lows. Murders were up sharply in 2020. And who do we have to thank for that?
Quote:
Much of the violence was driven by firearms, with nearly 77% of murders being committed with some sort of gun.
Yeah, assholes with guns.

See: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:32 am linkquote
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Thanos rebranded himself and adjusted his target audience. His new name is COVID-19.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:33 am linkquote
It strikes me as alarmist to make this a concern about having one's Vespa taken away by Big Government. The proposed legislation is about leaf blowers and lawn mowers. Off road engines - not registered motor vehicles. And? If you're not a California resident odds are you got bigger fish to fry in your home state.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:38 am linkquote
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It strikes me as alarmist to make this a concern about having one's Vespa taken away by Big Government.
It's always the same. Somehow, people from all over the country always invoke some feverish vision of the California Green Police showing up in Podunk Iowa or wherever to confiscate their property.
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:00 am linkquote
Visit Italy!
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:19 am linkquote
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I don't think so but if it were true I would go back to the streets to demonstrate against nuclear power as in the 70s ... and armed with a cane.
Hahaha - Attila! You're awesome.
Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:21 am

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Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:21 am linkquote
Thank you, Jess.

Back to the possible banning of gas engines in small lawn equipment and off road vehicles.

I still take care of my property.

Even at 65, as it is one way to get outdoors and work this old body.

My machinery has been battery powered now for the past three years.

The equipment works every bit as well as the old gas powered stuff on my small property.

Mower, string trimmer, edger and blower.

Quieter too, with plenty of power to do everything the old tools did.

Plus, my mower stows upright, allowing more room for scooters in the garage.

Bill
Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:28 am

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So will this make motocross events at the coliseum quieter and easier to breathe?
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