How far will this go? Implications for the future are ominous.
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How far will this go? Implications for the future are ominous.
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kz1000ST wrote: How far will this go? Implications for the future are ominous. https://www.thedrive.com/news/42744/california-is-banning-small-engines-heres-what-it-means Even the cheap stuff, e.g. Ryobi, is pretty good. I have an 8" bar pole chain saw and is so much easier than a manual pole saw Miguel Santa Cruz California ⚠️ Last edited by Miguel on UTC; edited 1 time
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I dont think this is going to be that big of an issue. I think planned obsolescence will slowly steer the market that way regardless. How many people know how to work on an engine now a day? How many small engine shops do you even see anymore? It's more expensive to pay someone to fix it, than it is to buy new.
That said, every yard tool I have is gas powered I'm also the neighborhood small engine fixer thanks to vintage Vespas. Ethanol gas makes up 90% of the problems ive seen. Cheap plastic cam sprockets make up the other 10%.
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Miguel wrote: The only two machines that are unlikely to be battery powered anytime soon are my 28 yo, 12 hp tractor and my wood-chipper. And I got rid of my lawn decades ago. |
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The lifecycle carbon cost of batteries needs to be seriously exhamined before any such legislation is enacted. There just isn't enough Lithium available either.
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Attila wrote: Are small engines also included those of scooters?
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I looked at the current crop of electric mowers when replacing my 20 year old briggs and stratton powered mower. Ended up with a fairly grunty gas mower that was about half the price of a similar feature electric. I can't see parts/batteries available in 14 years for the current crop of electrics (been there with drills and electric screwdrivers).
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Fudmucker wrote: The lifecycle carbon cost of batteries needs to be seriously exhamined before any such legislation is enacted. |
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My concern is more towards Nitrogen/weed control run off into the water supply. This promotes algae blooms that kill aquatic plants and animals.
When I lived in a house, I didn't use fertilizer or weed control. I just set my mower to the lowest setting and to hell with keeping up with the Joneses. IMHO leaf blowers are for pussies, I've never owned one. Get a rake and get some exercise.
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Attila wrote: Are small engines also included those of scooters? I going to stock up on parts for my 2 stroke stinkwheel now! |
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I think people generally misunderstand California's intent on this subject. It doesn't help that the media (and people right here in this thread) perform the obligatory knee-jerk whenever California enacts new environmental legislation, and then everybody slaps each other on the back and says "Good one, Bubba!" to each other.
The point of this kind of legislation is to set the direction for the rest of the country. By pushing the envelope, we move the center point in the direction we think it should be headed. Eventually, the rest of the country catches up. It often takes a while, but progress is never instantaneous. It's important that there is at least direction, and someone's got to step up and provide it. You're welcome.
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Now what in tarnation are those dad blummed hippies up to now?
Seriously though. This quote is pretty amazing Quote: In fact, CARB says that running a leaf blower for an hour is equivalent to driving a 2017 Toyota Camry for 1,100 miles.
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I find that raking the leaves with the special tool is more relaxing ...
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Attila wrote: I find that raking the leaves with the special tool is more relaxing ... If you want to pollute anyway, you can set the pile of leaves on fire. Miguel |
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My first thought was really? So no generators when the power goes out. Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?
And where is all this new power to charge the replacements coming from? Not from the Hydro Damns, that's for sure for the next few years at the least. And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future.
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WEB-Tech wrote: My first thought was really? So no generators when the power goes out. Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?
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WEB-Tech wrote: Or is the state that is known for power outages going to fix that little issue first?
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WEB-Tech wrote: And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future.
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WEB-Tech wrote: And the founders of Greenpeace now push for Nuclear Power they were so against as the cleanest option now for the future. Do you have any references that suggest Greenpeace is advocating *FOR* nuclear energy? On their own website I find this: Nuclear Energy Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive. Say no to new nukes. Nuclear energy has no place in a safe, clean, sustainable future. |
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Madison Sully wrote: I am also having difficulty verifying this claim. Do you have any references that suggest Greenpeace is advocating *FOR* nuclear energy? But if by some chance he meant the literal founders of Greenpeace, well... all of those people are actually dead now. I don't think they are advocating for OR against nuclear energy at this point. See: https://www.greenpeace.org/international/explore/about/founders/
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jess wrote: He said "founders of Greenpeace", which I take to mean, vaguely, "Someone on the internet who is ostensibly pro-environment once advocated for Nuclear energy". But if by some chance he meant the literal founders of Greenpeace, well... all of those people are actually dead now. I don't think they are advocating for OR against nuclear energy at this point. See: https://www.greenpeace.org/international/explore/about/founders/ So I did find this: https://www.wired.com/2007/11/co-founder-of-greenpeace-envisions-a-nuclear-future/ Seems at least *A* founder of Greenpeace has changed his opinion. Except.... We need to consider this, from Greenpeace (he isn't a founder): https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/ Quote from the article: Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. |
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Madison Sully wrote: Seems at least *A* founder of Greenpeace has changed his opinion. |
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jess wrote: I think you know my thoughts on criticism of California from flyover states. |
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I love you man. I do acknowledge that California definitely steps out on trying new policies on energy, the environment, and a variety of social programs. I would be somewhat reluctant to claim the moral high ground just yet. The jury is still out on the ultimate consequences of these policies. I firmly believe that good will is behind them. Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more than just the price of doing business. 1. Reimaging Police Enforcement - crime is spiking at historical levels. Even my home State of "Minnesota Nice" is devolving into a gang bang shoot out zone. 2. Environmental move to all things electric - electricity has to be produced somewhere. Texas went all in on renewable solar and wind generated power. These are simply not enough to sustain demand. Devolving into a third world country with regular back outs. 3. Social engineering: Folks are crapping/pissing and camping out in public spaces in beautiful California cities. Additionally, those Fly Over Country Rascals really need to go to reeducation camps in Sacramento. Mrs Silence Dogood Frost Bite Falls Minnesota P.S. You can censor my speech, you can have my guns, but I am not giving up my Gas Vespa! I am turning off all the power in my house regularly to practice for the future.
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jess wrote: Doesn't really seem like an earth-shattering revelation. |
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Bob Copeland wrote: Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more than just the price of doing business. Personally I think it's best to aim for the moral high ground in all cases, as opposed to the alternatives.... Sort of an "if you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing" position.
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Bob Copeland wrote: Despite this, unintended consequences are surfacing that may be more than just the price of doing business. Progress is rarely a straight line. You know what we collectively do when unintended consequences actually happen? We re-adjust our course. And we keep moving. Continually. Forever. Because standing still is death. You can stand still if you want. We'll be over here, making progress while you shake your fist.
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If half of the people on the planet stopped using ICE it would a much cleaner world. Where's Thanos when we need him.
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breaknwind wrote: If half of the people on the planet stopped using ICE it would a much cleaner world. Where's Thanos when we need him.
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Bob Copeland wrote: 1. Reimaging Police Enforcement - crime is spiking at historical levels. Even my home State of "Minnesota Nice" is devolving into a gang bang shoot out zone. Quote: Much of the violence was driven by firearms, with nearly 77% of murders being committed with some sort of gun. See: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020 |
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jess wrote: Thanos rebranded himself and adjusted his target audience. His new name is COVID-19. |
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It strikes me as alarmist to make this a concern about having one's Vespa taken away by Big Government. The proposed legislation is about leaf blowers and lawn mowers. Off road engines - not registered motor vehicles. And? If you're not a California resident odds are you got bigger fish to fry in your home state.
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DiBiasio wrote: It strikes me as alarmist to make this a concern about having one's Vespa taken away by Big Government.
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Attila wrote: I don't think so but if it were true I would go back to the streets to demonstrate against nuclear power as in the 70s ... and armed with a cane.
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Thank you, Jess.
Back to the possible banning of gas engines in small lawn equipment and off road vehicles. I still take care of my property. Even at 65, as it is one way to get outdoors and work this old body. My machinery has been battery powered now for the past three years. The equipment works every bit as well as the old gas powered stuff on my small property. Mower, string trimmer, edger and blower. Quieter too, with plenty of power to do everything the old tools did. Plus, my mower stows upright, allowing more room for scooters in the garage. Bill
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