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Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:30 pm linkquote
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aaaand yawn
And Goodbye. Enjoy a little vacation to get your head right.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:45 pm linkquote
The defenestration of Prague.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:16 pm linkquote
all that yawning made me sleepy. They're contagious you know - not to be used lightly! What were we talking about again?
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:24 pm linkquote
There's a social trick for the younger and unattached. When at a party yawn. Then look around to see who's been watching you. They'll be the ones yawning
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:39 pm linkquote
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There's a social trick for the younger and unattached. When at a party yawn. Then look around to see who's been watching you. They'll be the ones yawning
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:29 pm linkquote
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https://magazine.cyclenews.com/i/1420253-cycle-news-issue-42-october-19/116?

A viewpoint from Cyclenews.
I just started reading this. Agree or not with the need to outlaw gas powered equipment in favor of electric, one part of this is STUPID!



Seriously? What are people supposed to do for backup power for outages that can last days, even weeks?

My house has a well, so, no power = no water. And, of course, we all need to keep our refrigerators and freezers running to keep our food from spoiling.

Battery backup systems such as the Tesla Power Wall can only keep a household running for several hours, or maybe a day before running out of power. It is far from economically feasible to have enough battery storage on site to last a multi-day outage -- which we get every couple years where i live, shorter ones happening many times a year.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:33 pm linkquote
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I just started reading this. Agree or not with the need to outlaw gas powered equipment in favor of electric, one part of this is STUPID!



Seriously? What are people supposed to do for backup power for outages that can last days, even weeks?

My house has a well, so, no power = no water. And, of course, we all need to keep our refrigerators and freezers running to keep our food from spoiling.

Battery backup systems such as the Tesla Power Wall can only keep a household running for several hours, or maybe a day before running out of power. It is far from economically feasible to have enough battery storage on site to last a multi-day outage -- which we get every couple years where i live, shorter ones happening many times a year.
Then lea... then don't move there!
Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:38 pm

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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:38 pm linkquote
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Then lea... then don't move there!
Oh, I don't plan on it, but, with respect to emissions regulations, "as California does, so does the rest of the country, eventually."

I do feel that we do need to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to mitigate climate change, but, we do need to use common sense in doing so.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:40 pm linkquote
jas67 wrote:
I just started reading this. Agree or not with the need to outlaw gas powered equipment in favor of electric, one part of this is STUPID!

Seriously? What are people supposed to do for backup power for outages that can last days, even weeks?

My house has a well, so, no power = no water. And, of course, we all need to keep our refrigerators and freezers running to keep our food from spoiling.

Battery backup systems such as the Tesla Power Wall can only keep a household running for several hours, or maybe a day before running out of power. It is far from economically feasible to have enough battery storage on site to last a multi-day outage -- which we get every couple years where i live, shorter ones happening many times a year.
Evidently you didn't read my post above. I'd suggest you read the text of the legislation and particularly what it actually says about gensets and other equipment for emergency situations.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:43 pm

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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:43 pm linkquote
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Oh, I don't plan on it, but, with respect to emissions regulations, "as California does, so does the rest of the country, eventually."

I do feel that we do need to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to mitigate climate change, but, we do need to use common sense in doing so.
Funny how the market tends to follow California. I for one am glad for the leadership.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:45 pm linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
Evidently you didn't read my post above. I'd suggest you read the text of the legislation and particularly what it actually says about gensets and other equipment for emergency situations.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
I have now. Thank for your the clarification.
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:52 pm linkquote
jas67 wrote:
My house has a well, so, no power = no water. And, of course, we all need to keep our refrigerators and freezers running to keep our food from spoiling.

Battery backup systems such as the Tesla Power Wall can only keep a household running for several hours, or maybe a day before running out of power. It is far from economically feasible to have enough battery storage on site to last a multi-day outage -- which we get every couple years where i live, shorter ones happening many times a year.
You are so wrong. Even today, a good off-grid battery-backed solar system can provide power pretty much indefinitely, assuming 5 hours of sunshine a day which is the standard for designing systems in the US. A DIY one has a pay-back time of ~2 years in CA, ~5 years in Nevada. Pure profit after that if you sell the 'leccy back to the grid. Yes, that'd be a 30kWh one. I have a 4kWh system just in our van - no need for a generator!

Did I mention I fucking HATE generators at campsites
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:29 am linkquote
In fact, my photovoltaic system is set up for a battery (you can rent them for a few a month) or a set of batteries and use the system as an alternative to the electricity grid; I will do this when the contract for the sale of energy to the grid expires.
My panels are guaranteed for a residual energy efficiency of 75% after twenty years of operation, therefore a total yield of 3.5 kw on a maximum daily consumption of 3 kw. More than enough.
The rent of the battery pack is however very low and such as to make the system convenient.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:11 am linkquote
My thoughts would be why when they make everything else now days that runs off battery power can they not just start making battery powered generators? Problem solved, and use the generator to charge the batteries!

Okay I'll stop posting till the caffeine from my second cup of coffee kicks in!
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:34 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
You are so wrong. Even today, a good off-grid battery-backed solar system can provide power pretty much indefinitely, assuming 5 hours of sunshine a day which is the standard for designing systems in the US. A DIY one has a pay-back time of ~2 years in CA, ~5 years in Nevada. Pure profit after that if you sell the 'leccy back to the grid. Yes, that'd be a 30kWh one. I have a 4kWh system just in our van - no need for a generator!

Did I mention I fucking HATE generators at campsites
I agree with you on the generators at campsites thing. That's why when we camp in the heat and humidity of the summer, we make sure to get a site with electricity to power our air conditioning. Some say "that's not camping", well, it is for me. The humidity in the Northeast is oppressive in summer.

Sure, if money was no object, I could buy an off-grid battery system. I have 9KW of solar panels on my roof, but, only a grid-tie inverter that is useless to me in a power outage.
BUT -- converting to a battery on grid/off grid system is prohibitively expensive compared to just buying a small generator big enough to power the essentials.

Some people who may be able to afford such systems probably can't understand that there are those who can not.

All that said, gas-powered generators that are only used for the occasional power outage are contributing far less to problem than the mowers, weed wackers, and leaf blowers that are run on a regular basis.
Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:35 am

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:35 am linkquote
My Dad lives out in the sticks. When the power goes out it could be for days. They are in a low priority area.

Like many other people in the area he installed a backup generator. Something he should have done years ago. This is especially helpful in the winter when power outages can cause frozen / burst pipes. Something we in Michigan like to call "winter".

However, to un-vilify the generator concept, like many other people in the same area his runs off his LP gas tank. Which makes his generation of electricity when the power goes out technically cleaner than the power company's generation of the same electricity.

Just saying.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:26 am linkquote
kshansen wrote:
My thoughts would be why when they make everything else now days that runs off battery power can they not just start making battery powered generators? Problem solved, and use the generator to charge the batteries!
I know you were joking, but such a thing actually exists and they are actually called generators (though I think it's a misapplication of language, personally).



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Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:26 am linkquote
Dude, I actually just looked at one of those for camping.

It's so cool I actually just said, "dude".

And actually just used the word actually three times. Ok, four.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:26 am linkquote
Static inverter.

A static converter is an electric machine without moving parts suitable for the transformation and conversion between different states of voltage and current between the power supply network and the machines that use the power supplied.

A static converter is built with semiconductor power electronic components (for example diodes, transistors and thyristors), and through its use it is possible to obtain:

rectifiers, which convert from alternating current to direct current

inverters, which convert direct current into alternating current

chopper (or fractionators) for continuous / continuous conversion

ac / ac converters for alternating / alternating conversion

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertitore_statico

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I'm delighted to see they're using Anderson Pole connectors for the i/p. They have helped transform my low-voltage systems.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:51 am linkquote
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I know you were joking, but such a thing actually exists and they are actually called generators (though I think it's a misapplication of language, personally).
Those are great for charging your laptop, iPad, or cell phone, and also for short time use of AC powered device up to 1000W, but, won't run a refrigerator or freezer very long, and won't run a well pump at all.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:10 am linkquote
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Dude, I actually just looked at one of those for camping.

It's so cool I actually just said, "dude".

And actually just used the word actually three times. Ok, four.
That's how it starts...
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jas67 wrote:
Those are great for charging your laptop, iPad, or cell phone, and also for short time use of AC powered device up to 1000W, but, won't run a refrigerator or freezer very long, and won't run a well pump at all.
Your objections are duly noted.
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jas67 wrote:
Those are great for charging your laptop, iPad, or cell phone, and also for short time use of AC powered device up to 1000W, but, won't run a refrigerator or freezer very long, and won't run a well pump at all.
In my hometown we used to do it like this:


Lake-Effect 'Fridge

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:03 am linkquote
DiBiasio wrote:
In my hometown we used to do it like this:
LOL! We have a sun porch off the living room. From November through March it's very handy as a beer cooler and extra fridge.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:04 am linkquote
DiBiasio wrote:
In my hometown we used to do it like this:
You must explode beers often. That's more of a freezer than a fridge in my book.
Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:07 am

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:07 am linkquote
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You must explode beers often. That's more of a freezer than a fridge in my book.
Not if yer drinking them fast enough.

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:09 am linkquote
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You must explode beers often. That's more of a freezer than a fridge in my book.
Freezing point of 5% ABV beer is 27°F
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:12 am linkquote
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Freezing point of 5% ABV beer is 27°F
Great lakes are consistently colder than 27f in winter
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:32 am linkquote
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Great lakes are consistently colder than 27f in winter
True as that is - I seldom sunk them right in Lake Erie. And they really never lived long enough to explode. Quite an epitaph.
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- 3° C.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:11 am linkquote
DiBiasio wrote:
In my hometown we used to do it like this:
You clearly no longer live in your home town.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:14 am linkquote
Miguel wrote:
Honestly, for me, it's not a problem. Virtually all my machines are battery powered now. They are quieter, don't have maintenance issues, don't suffer starting problems from aging gas and can't start a fire like their gas equivalents. ...
You've never seen a battery catch fire? I had a battery fire from a lithium ion battery sitting on my desk at work. Luckily, I was there and was able to knock the battery into a garbage can which I carried outside with a cloud of smoke following me.

I don't disagree with any of your other points. I've moved to all battery or 120V A/C powered lawn and garden devices too.

-Craig
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:55 pm linkquote
caschnd1 wrote:
You've never seen a battery catch fire? I had a battery fire from a lithium ion battery sitting on my desk at work. Luckily, I was there and was able to knock the battery into a garbage can which I carried outside with a cloud of smoke following me.

What sort of "lithium-ion" was it? Some older types are prone to thermal runaway - I've had a couple that got Very Hot Indeed. The newer LiFePO4 (LFP) batteries have cycle times of 2000+ to 80% capacity, have almost no thermal runaway problems even if damaged or punctured, and have good tolerance of being held at full charge voltage. Plus they're a lot cheaper than the older types that contain cobalt, with prices around $0.12 (yes, just 12 cents USD) per Wh readily available on ebay.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:40 pm linkquote
seamus26 wrote:
Not if yer drinking them fast enough.

I was about to type that reply too!
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:57 pm linkquote
caschnd1 wrote:
You've never seen a battery catch fire?
-Craig
Actually, I haven't Craig. I worried about it some years ago when lithium batteries first started being use in laptop because I was flying a lot. I understand the concern but, as Jimc said, I think (and hope) a lot of those problems are solved but I don't really know. I don't follow it at all. I use a lot of battery-powered hand tools but I've never experienced a fire nor even the battery getting very hot, certainly not enough to burn you. BTW, I use Makita 18V tools and batteries.

Miguel
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