Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:46 am

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Molto Verboso
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:46 am linkquote
I know it's unlikely to happen, but my neighbor has a Chevy Bolt. It's a great car. Or ... at least it was until he had to start parking it at the end of his driveway.

To be fair, GM is acting out of an abundance of caution regarding a known defect and is (by all appearances) going above and beyond to take care of its customers.
Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:51 am

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1980 Vespa P200e (sold), 2002 Vespa ET4 (sold), 1949 Harley-Davidson FL
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:51 am linkquote
Miguel wrote:
Actually, I haven't Craig. I worried about it some years ago when lithium batteries first started being use in laptop because I was flying a lot. I understand the concern but, as Jimc said, I think (and hope) a lot of those problems are solved but I don't really know. I don't follow it at all. I use a lot of battery-powered hand tools but I've never experienced a fire nor even the battery getting very hot, certainly not enough to burn you. BTW, I use Makita 18V tools and batteries.

Miguel
Battery fires are rare. But when it happens, the amount of heat generated is scary! The problem is you never know what you get, when it comes to quality. Over charging is a problem that can be disastrous. In the case of the batter that caught fire on my desk, it was one of those cell phone backup charging packs. It had also been damaged from being dropped. I didn't think much of it because it looked like the damage was superficial. But it was bad enough to lead to an internal short. Holy cow! That thing went up if flames is a matter of a few seconds (with lots of smoke and "hissing" sounds to go along with it). I'm pretty cautious with damaged batteries now. If one of the batteries for my tools gets a bit banged up, or especially if the case looks swollen, I put them outside the garage in a metal can until I can take them to be properly disposed of.

-Craig
Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:56 am

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:56 am linkquote
jimc wrote:
What sort of "lithium-ion" was it? Some older types are prone to thermal runaway - I've had a couple that got Very Hot Indeed. The newer LiFePO4 (LFP) batteries have cycle times of 2000+ to 80% capacity, have almost no thermal runaway problems even if damaged or punctured, and have good tolerance of being held at full charge voltage. Plus they're a lot cheaper than the older types that contain cobalt, with prices around $0.12 (yes, just 12 cents USD) per Wh readily available on ebay.
I don't know the brand. It was one of those cheap cell phone charging packs that you can use to boost your cell phone battery if you are going to be away from a charging source for a long period. I had purchased this battery in ~2016. I'm pretty sure the battery had been damaged from being dropped. The case showed signs of damage, but I didn't think the battery itself had been damaged. That thing went up in flames is spectacular fashion. I'm much more cautious about disposing of possibly damaged batteries now.

-Craig
Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:51 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:51 pm linkquote
I hope that Booger fella was able to get some rest eventually. He seemed so sleepy all the time.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:41 am

Moderatus Rana
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:41 am linkquote
DiBiasio wrote:
I hope that Booger fella was able to get some rest eventually. He seemed so sleepy all the time.
Well he no longer has MV to distract him.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:13 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:13 am linkquote
...As is true...
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:38 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:38 am linkquote
The life of an internet troll must be hard.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:41 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:41 am linkquote
jas67 wrote:
The life of an internet troll must be hard.
They must get something out of it. I would change "hard" to "sad."
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:54 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:54 am linkquote
stickyfrog wrote:
They must get something out of it. I would change "hard" to "sad."
Yes, true, very sad.

Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:12 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:12 am linkquote
I understand that a thread can go sideways. I can't understand why anyone would post about an ejection 3 days after it happened. Not productive
Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:29 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:29 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
I understand that a thread can go sideways. I can't understand why anyone would post about an ejection 3 days after it happened. Not productive
Why does anyone post anything here? Why post what you posted? You seem to be wanting to pick a fight. That doesn't seem productive either. You do realize that not everyone checks in here everyday right?
Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 am linkquote
breaknwind wrote:
I understand that a thread can go sideways. I can't understand why anyone would post about an ejection 3 days after it happened. Not productive
Sometimes the elephant in a given room can be minimized by employing a little levity. Sometimes not. I took a chance.
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:54 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:54 am linkquote
Steve wrote:
Since so many of you have electric lawn mowers, this seems like a great audience to ask when considering replacing our 21" Honda 200cc mulching push-mower.

We have 2/3 acre, which is mostly lush grass. Here in Ohio, spring through early summer requires mowing twice a week, then slowly slipping to once every ~ten days until fall. Mowing takes 2-3 hours at a pace slow enough not to bog down the gasoline engine with the heavy wet grass early in the season, and 1-1/2 to 2 hours later in the season. Then lots of time mowing to bag leaves late in the year for the city's vacuum truck to suck up.

All that said to ask if there are reasonably priced electric mowers with the guts to mow that much heavy grass. We'll likely replace our 13 year old Honda in the spring, and they run about $800.

Thanks
It seems to me so far nobody reacted to your question.

2/3 acres translated in metric is 2700m². That is quite a large lawn. I understand the grass is growing pretty fast in the growing season.
You mow that area with a push-mower up to twice a week in the season? For me that is slavery.

We have a robomower on 800m² of lawn, a lawn that is also growing quite strong in the season.

A suitable robomower for your lawn is above a budget of $800. I guess will be around maybe $3000, something like that.
But the advantage is that you get rid of the mowing.

Our mower works every day, divided over the day some 6hrs in 3 blocks of 2hrs.
During the whole growing season here from March up to November (it is still working now) the lawn looks always the same.

I find it very much worth the expense.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 am linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
It seems to me so far nobody reacted to your question.

2/3 acres translated in metric is 2700m². That is quite a large lawn. I understand the grass is growing pretty fast in the growing season.
You mow that area with a push-mower up to twice a week in the season? For me that is slavery.

We have a robomower on 800m² of lawn, a lawn that is also growing quite strong in the season.

A suitable robomower for your lawn is above a budget of $800. I guess will be around maybe $3000, something like that.
But the advantage is that you get rid of the mowing.

Our mower works every day, divided over the day some 6hrs in 3 blocks of 2hrs.
During the whole growing season here from March up to November (it is still working now) the lawn looks always the same.

I find it very much worth the expense.
Does anyone make a robo-mower than can cut right up against walls and, fences, and raised vegetable plots?

That's my issue with them, is none that I've looked at can. They're typically about 18-20 inches (sorry for the English units, but, I'm from the backwards USA), but only have an 8 inch blade spinning in the middle, meaning that they leave 5 to 6 inches uncut when the grass goes right up to a physical obstacle.

It would be also nice if they didn't need a buried guide wire, and could use GPS + intertoa; guidance + some training for navigation.

10+ years ago, my mowing season was similar to the poster form Ohio above, but, now we get much more rain, and I'm stuck having to mow twice a week from April through mid-to-late October.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:04 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:04 am linkquote
jas67 wrote:
Does anyone make a robo-mower than can cut right up against walls and, fences, and raised vegetable plots?

Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:48 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:48 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
Hmm, that would take care of the weeds too

I'd hate to see the price of it though.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:59 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:38 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:38 am linkquote
Mechanical sheep?
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:03 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:03 am linkquote
Topolino wrote:
Mechanical sheep?
Your summary is exact and witty too, I like it.
You see ... the discourse on the polluting emissions of small engines is not wrong but starts from an insignificant point, we cannot speak of the small engines that are used occasionally when the large industrial engines of ships, planes, work vehicles run continuously and with huge volumes of pollution; but no one will take action against them.
There are big economic interests at stake and lawmakers will not allow the clean cut of emissions from labor production units, not in the short term but in the meantime Mother Nature is offended and she will use the planet's climate to punish us harshly.
It's starting ... look at the sky.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:29 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:29 am linkquote

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:52 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:52 am linkquote
One thing to point out to the nay-sayers: There was a time before the internal combustion engine. And there will (frankly must) become a time after it as well.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:57 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:57 am linkquote
Madison Sully wrote:
One thing to point out to the nay-sayers: There was a time before the internal combustion engine. And there will (frankly must) become a time after it as well.
That time before the internal combustion engine was VERY long. The time after will be too.
The same might be said about industrialization in general. We certainly can't keep going like we are.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:15 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:03 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:03 am linkquote
Topolino wrote:
Mechanical sheep?
Robots dream of them.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:04 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:04 am linkquote
jas67 wrote:
Does anyone make a robo-mower than can cut right up against walls and, fences, and raised vegetable plots?

That's my issue with them, is none that I've looked at can. They're typically about 18-20 inches (sorry for the English units, but, I'm from the backwards USA), but only have an 8 inch blade spinning in the middle, meaning that they leave 5 to 6 inches uncut when the grass goes right up to a physical obstacle.

It would be also nice if they didn't need a buried guide wire, and could use GPS + intertoa; guidance + some training for navigation.

10+ years ago, my mowing season was similar to the poster form Ohio above, but, now we get much more rain, and I'm stuck having to mow twice a week from April through mid-to-late October.
That is correct. Our previous robomower was one from Robomow and had 3 cutting knifes that mowed 52cm wide (20,5 inch) and did mow to just outside the wheel width.
But due to safety regulations robomowers today do not mow not that wide anymore. Ours mows 28cm (11 inch) wide in the middle. Today the cutting blade has to be far enough from the side to prevent that maybe children when they lift the mower get hurt.

It depends on how your lawn is. We have same level terraces and I can have the mower to mow the edges easily, and at the sides we have hedges, also no problem. Then there is 1 strip of maybe 20m along a brick wall. That I have to mow with the regular mower.

About the wire: you do not have to bury it. Just fix it on top of the soil. It is much more easy and OK. It takes maybe 3 weeks for the grass to overgrow it and you will have difficulty to find the wire.

I expect you still will have to mow the edges but probably the time needed is only a fraction of what you need now.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:22 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:22 am linkquote
Topolino wrote:
Mechanical sheep?
The factory site where I work has quite a lot of lawns and some years ago the general management decided to go for environmetal friendly. Sheep were to cut the lawns.

A company was found to take care of it and it was great to see how the different lawns were fenced with temporary fences and the sheep were driven from one lawn to the next by real sheep dogs. Very nice.

But some drawbacks. The site got covered by sheep manure, and finally the whole thing turned out to be rather expensive. So the experiment has been stopped.

The lawns are now cut as it used to be by classic lawn mowers that we call "mechanical sheep".
Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:00 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:00 am linkquote
JimR_ATL wrote:
I think you're far too impressed with your state's leadership.
I think you probably don't comprehend how much California does, in fact, lead. But honestly, that's okay.
JimR_ATL wrote:
SFico is seeing the closing of multiple Walgreens because of some of those far-seeing California-type policies, for instance.
I doubt you could articulate a single California policy that intersects with the corporate decisions made by Walgreens. And I would also remind you that SF != California.
JimR_ATL wrote:
On this one, good luck clearing downed trees after a Winter storm with your electric chainsaw and pickup truck. Good luck getting the grid going again.
What always surprises me is the lack of comprehension about the gradual nature of changes like this. It's not as if all the gas chainsaws are suddenly going to disappear tomorrow evening at 5:00pm. This is a gradual change, and the exact regulations aren't even defined yet. For you to jump to the conclusion that nobody will ever have access to a functional chainsaw in California ever again speaks loudly to (a) the idiocy of the media you probably watch, (b) your shocking lack of critical reasoning skills, and (c) your apparent enjoyment of knee-jerk reactions.
JimR_ATL wrote:
Oh, yeah, you geniuses don't really have Winter storms, but you'd gladly push such misguided policy on the rest of the nation.
California is interested in moving the center in a particular direction. California notably lacks jurisdiction in your state, genius.
JimR_ATL wrote:
You can't power modern civilization on wind and solar.
So does that mean we shouldn't try to use more renewables where possible?
JimR_ATL wrote:
Legislating it is like legislating Pi = 3, which is about what I expect next from California.
I believe you're thinking of Indiana, actually.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:08 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:08 am linkquote
mpfrank wrote:
Robots dream of them.
Have you read the book too?
But they are "electric sheep".



Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:18 am

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:18 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
Have you read the book too?
But they are "electric sheep".
I have read that book, though not in Italian.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:08 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:08 pm linkquote
JimR_ATL wrote:
I think you're far too impressed with your state's leadership. SFico is seeing the closing of multiple Walgreens because of some of those far-seeing California-type policies, for instance.

On this one, good luck clearing downed trees after a Winter storm with your electric chainsaw and pickup truck. Good luck getting the grid going again.

Oh, yeah, you geniuses don't really have Winter storms, but you'd gladly push such misguided policy on the rest of the nation.

You can't power modern civilization on wind and solar. Legislating it is like legislating Pi = 3, which is about what I expect next from California.
As one ATL resident to another, but with family all over the very diverse regions of CA, I fear it is glaringly obvious you know nothing about California except what you've chosen to be told. Just to pick on some low-hanging and apolitical fruit from your post, for instance, it's cute and baffling that you don't think there are winter storms there.

As someone who has lived there myself, I could go on and on about the imperfections of both these states - neither "gets it all right" and I hope you understand that
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:26 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:26 pm linkquote
A guy on TV said solar would prevent night time TV and wind power causes cancer.
I can't argue with that kinda logic.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:53 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:53 pm linkquote
Topolino wrote:
A guy on TV said solar would prevent night time TV and wind power causes cancer.
I can't argue with that kinda logic.
Is a no-vax, sure.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:13 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:13 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
I have read that book, though not in Italian.
It"s much he same. But the sheep break down more often.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:06 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:06 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
It"s much he same. But the sheep break down more often.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:21 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:21 pm linkquote
mpfrank wrote:
Robots dream of them.
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:04 pm

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:04 pm linkquote
Attila wrote:
Have you read the book too?
But they are "electric sheep".
If androids dream of electric sheep then robots must dream of mechanical sheep.

(Right now I'm imagining a dinner party with Isaac Asimov and Philip K. Dick.)

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Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:16 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
It"s much he same. But the sheep break down more often.


It's so true!
Do you know why you... have a Vespa?
I know this because I have a Fiat.

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:31 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:31 pm linkquote
So far this is just California. Unless other states do the same thing, there is going to be a lot of Californians buying their gas lawn mowers and gas generators from out of state and driving back into CA with them in the back of their trucks, vans, and car trunks. Just saying ... Easy pezzy on a drive back form Nevada or Arizona. Or we could have a relative buy one in another state and throw in it their vehicle on their trip out here.

Gas powered lawn mowers are actually very easy to fix. There's youtube videos for everything. I plan on keeping my gas lawn mower until I die.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:19 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:19 pm linkquote
bean counter wrote:
So far this is just California. Unless other states do the same thing, there is going to be a lot of Californians buying their gas lawn mowers and gas generators from out of state and driving back into CA with them in the back of their trucks, vans, and car trunks. Just saying ... Easy pezzy on a drive back form Nevada or Arizona. Or we could have a relative buy one in another state and throw in it their vehicle on their trip out here.

Gas powered lawn mowers are actually very easy to fix. There's youtube videos for everything. I plan on keeping my gas lawn mower until I die.
If you read some of the earlier posts in this thread, you'll see many people are quite happy with electric- and battery-powered landscaping tools. I am. I have a Makita battery-powered blower. It does everything I ask of it and its relatively quiet. I also have a Makita 12" chainsaw. It will easily cut a 24" log in half and do it quietly. There is no maintenance except keep the blade sharp and batteries charged. I hire a professional tree-trimmer to trim some trees for me. He always prefers to use my electric chain saw over his gas-powered chainsaw. It's lighter and quieter. Any new tools I buy are battery powered. Gas-powered machines are such a PITA for the home-owner. Electric is the way to go.

California's policy WILL spread to other states as they try to meet emissions controls and green-house gases mandates. Yes, you can always find a way to get around policy and laws but there's really no need to in this case.
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:00 pm linkquote
Attila wrote:
It's so true!
Do you know why you... have a Vespa?
I know this because I have a Fiat.

I had a Fiat Ducato Panorama when I lived in Vicenza. Now I have a Vespa..
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