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Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:15 am linkquote
It couldn't hurt if they sold it here.

https://www.rideapart.com/news/542031/honda-adv350-scooter-coming-soon/
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:17 am

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:17 am linkquote
Wow. I think this is a perfect bike for the United States. Enough power for freeway commutes, easy around town, and fun to just go for rides.

And it looks (and acts?) like a real motorcycle, not some sissy scooter, but it's easy to ride.

How can they lose?
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:04 pm linkquote
I wonder if they'll put a rear drum brake on it for the U.S. like they did the 150
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:06 pm

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:06 pm linkquote
In fact this is something I've never understood ...
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:14 pm linkquote
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In fact this is something I've never understood ...
It brings the cost down. Mericans won't pay premium for scooters. Funny how Yamaha can sell a 150 with disk brakes cheaper than a Honda 150 with drum brakes.
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:33 pm

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:33 pm linkquote
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It brings the cost down. Mericans won't pay premium for scooters. Funny how Yamaha can sell a 150 with disk brakes cheaper than a Honda 150 with drum brakes.
And not just Yamaha ...
I just don't understand how much it can affect the price relative to the americans market.
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:49 pm

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Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:49 pm linkquote
Probably not for US---Scooter market and interest dead here right now.
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Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:53 pm linkquote
A good front disc is required
What's wrong with a rear drum?
You can grab a handful with out locking up
No changing "fluid" on a mechanical, cable operated rear brake

While a drum will overheat to the point of not working, it takes real determined effort to get to that point

I have cooked a front drum brake on a dirt bike & ridden a chopper with only a rear drum

The worst case isn't very likely on the rear of a scooter
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:58 am linkquote
mpfrank is right. That would be a great size for the US market!

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:42 am

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:42 am linkquote
Define scooter?
How tall is the hump, what size wheels & does the rear wheel bolt right to the case?
There are floorboards for the driver

That's a motorcycle
Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:00 am

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:00 am linkquote
I have always been a big Honda fan. My first motorcycle was a 1970 Honda CB125.
Both my cars are Hondas and my lawnmower is a Honda.

If and when this ADV350 shows up - I may purchase it. I would probably then retire
my 2007 Burgman 400.

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:11 am

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:11 am linkquote
To be precise, I'm not against the rear drum but it can't have ABS; the two discs yes.
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:17 am linkquote
It's an interesting segment to try to crack. Maxi-scooter crossed with small ADV motorcycle.

I like it quite a lot, and would be seriously tempted to buy if it comes to the US market. The Burgman line (even the 200) is bulky and unwieldy and there are excellent competitors from Kymco, SYM, and even Honda's Forza. But the styling has always been a bit off-putting to me (I know that is subjective).

So c'mon Honda, bring the ADV350 stateside.
Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:23 am

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:23 am linkquote
Obviously yes, it is subjective.
But it is not a new idea, in Italy it has already been done (and with two disc brakes) many years ago (Aprilia Rally).



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Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:59 am linkquote
kz1000ST wrote:
all that plastic banging around off-road is silly. Of course no one would take the thing off road anyway. O. S.
Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:53 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:53 pm linkquote
Attila wrote:
Obviously yes, it is subjective.
But it is not a new idea, in Italy it has already been done (and with two disc brakes) many years ago (Aprilia Rally).
That's more in the Yamaha BW / Zuma league, right? Small engine scoots.
Zumas were very popular amongs youngsters here too sometime ago...hmmm.. well, quite a while ago.



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Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:41 pm linkquote
Single track cross country is no fun if the bike is too heavy to pick up, as you get above 300#, 130kg the viability goes down quickly

Define Off-road
In this context off road means unpaved road

Scooters are decent on smooth hard pack
Broadslide nicely, easy to do nice smooth arcs
Awkward jumpers
Bars too low to stand up easily for big hits
Too much weight in the back to catch much air
No clutch to hop, launch or square up corners

The honda in question has larger spoked wheels and more than a few inches of travel allowing for higher speeds on rougher roads
I guess both an upper & lower fork clamp as is customary on motorcycles, which flex less
Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:37 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:37 pm linkquote
The idea is good but it was never developed because scooters were a more niche vehicle until a few years ago, now that they have spread they are also developing specific uses.
Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:13 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:13 pm linkquote
I'd like Honda to bring the Forza 350 or Forza 750 to the US. Both of those bikes are sick! I loved my XMAX

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:32 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:32 pm linkquote
Garthhh wrote:
Single track cross country is no fun if the bike is too heavy to pick up, as you get above 300#, 130kg the viability goes down quickly

Define Off-road
In this context off road means unpaved road

Scooters are decent on smooth hard pack
Broadslide nicely, easy to do nice smooth arcs
Awkward jumpers
Bars too low to stand up easily for big hits
Too much weight in the back to catch much air
No clutch to hop, launch or square up corners

The honda in question has larger spoked wheels and more than a few inches of travel allowing for higher speeds on rougher roads
I guess both an upper & lower fork clamp as is customary on motorcycles, which flex less
How many GS1200s with every touratech accessory made have been offroad? It's for the scooter riding version of that poseur, not someone looking to ride the baja 1000. It works well for the US, so it will come down to how many Honda guesstimates can be sold here. They got burned with both the Big Ruckus and the SH 150, but by building a market and bringing riders up in displacement from the 150 ADV, Honda might actually sell a few.
I like it.
Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:09 pm

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Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:09 pm linkquote
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How many GS1200s with every touratech accessory made have been offroad?
In Italy we call it "the dentist's motorcycle" ... For two reasons, the first is that it is so expensive that dentists, being very rich, buy one and the second reason is that those who buy it when they meet someone ask them "but you are you a dentist? "
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:26 am

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:26 am linkquote
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In Italy we call it "the dentist's motorcycle" ... For two reasons, the first is that it is so expensive that dentists, being very rich, buy one and the second reason is that those who buy it when they meet someone ask them "but you are you a dentist? "
Ha!... around here boxer GS are often called 'pensioners' bikes' with the same logic Folks with some extra money and time in their hands. The truth said, that's a bit unfair as GS is a very popular bike here too.

Hard to estimate exactly, but around here 1000+ cc ADV bikes are used quite a lot for trail type of riding too. Plenty of isolated, rough(ish) roads especially up North. The most ridden paths are in contact with TET routes (https://transeurotrail.org/finland/#2.22/56.37/17.86)

More KTM's territory in the big league, but I do know some experienced ADV folks who trash their beaten up, typically a bit older GSs pretty hard. 'knees, use your knees, not your back!' is their motto after the inevitable...

These ADV scoots are an interesting, but a challenging niche.

I've seen only one Honda X-ADV 750 live, with a very happy female owner. The scoot was an impressive beast, looked much taller and larger seen in action than at the shop floor. Definitely holds some street (or rough road in this case) cred with those knobbly tyres, upswept boomy exhaust and all.

Hard to say whether the 350 packs the same mental punch.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:26 am linkquote
Just finished watching Million Dollar Bogan's series on the HD Pan America

Well worth a laugh https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdyNenIpg--6uTF7rQaPUX8hSgxYjoEBl

Thinking i might take my Supertech on some of those tracks next month as i live only about 1 & 1/2 hours from that forest 😀👅


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Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:48 am linkquote
Attila wrote:
In Italy we call it "the dentist's motorcycle" ... For two reasons, the first is that it is so expensive that dentists, being very rich, buy one and the second reason is that those who buy it when they meet someone ask them "but you are you a dentist? "
To paraphrase Jesse James, "If you see a guy on a Harley, covered with tattoos, he's probably a dentist." That's why he said he wasn't going to build bikes anymore, a few years ago.
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:36 am linkquote
It looks ok, and might sell well here, but I question its description as a scooter... What exactly makes it a scooter? Can't be the fact it has a CVT alone, can it?
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:38 am linkquote
xantufrog wrote:
It looks ok, and might sell well here, but I question its description as a scooter... What exactly makes it a scooter? Can't be the fact it has a CVT alone, can it?
Engine under bum
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:39 am linkquote
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It looks ok, and might sell well here, but I question its description as a scooter... What exactly makes it a scooter? Can't be the fact it has a CVT alone, can it?
It has no CVT: https://global.honda/innovation/technology/motorcycle/tech-views/vol01_dct/x-adv.html
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:43 am linkquote
That's the x-adv. It says in the original post article the adv350 is a cvt
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:49 am linkquote
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Engine under bum
Eh - IMO a true step-through design and legshield are the hallmarks of a scooter, not engine placement, but I reckon "what counts as a scooter" is a can of worms

I'd ride it, whatever it is

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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:50 am linkquote
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That's the x-adv. It says in the original post article the adv350 is a cvt
The 350 will have it because it is the same engine as the SH 350 (and the Forza 350).
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:55 am linkquote
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The 350 will have it because it is the same engine as the SH 350 (and the Forza 350).
Yep, this is an ADV version of Forza 350. The same technology... sorry, 'platform'
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:58 am linkquote
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Yep, this is an ADV version of Forza 350. The same technology... sorry, 'platform'
However it is not a scooter in the proper sense of the word, it is a hybridized motorcycle and scooter.
Like a bardotto (hinny).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinny
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:05 am linkquote
https://www.motoblog.it/post/honda-adv-350-sara-la-sorpresa-di-eicma-2021

We have been talking about a small Honda X-ADV for some time.
The Japanese manufacturer presented the ADV 150 scooter in the summer of 2019, first in Indonesia and then in Japan (in the above and below), and this year the abbreviation ADV 350 was registered in Europe in the classification concerning vehicles. on two wheels.

From what emerges from the data for homologation in Europe, it is clear that the new scooter uses the technical basis of the new Forza 350, the engine is the same as the SH 350, launched as a 2021 model.

The exact displacement is 330 cc but with the power that rises from the 28 hp of the SH to 29 hp, again at 7,500 rpm.

The differences with the Forza 350 (below) are in size. The wheelbase extends from 1,510 to 1,520 mm and the maximum length also increases (from 2,140 to 2,200): variations that could have to do with the adoption of different suspensions and rear fender. The maximum height instead drops from 1,470 to 1,295-1,430 mm, a sign of a lower fairing than the windshield of the Forza 350 and also adjustable.

Above all, the width of the handlebar increases (from 755 to 895 mm), reflecting a different setting of the driving position, in style with the X-ADV setting.

Finally, the weight, which rises from 182 to 186 kg in running order, which suggests an enrichment of the equipment or in any case a greater dimensioning of some parts.

Unlike the larger X-ADV 750 (above), the ADV 350 in losing the letter "X" would have - as in the case of the ADV 150 model not imported by us - a less "off-road" definition: it should also keep the front wheel 15-inch.

It will likely come with a price positioning closer to the Forza 350 model than what happens now between the 750 X-ADV and Forza models, which show a significant cost variation.

Could Eicma be the occasion for the launch of the new ADV 350?
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:19 am linkquote
https://www.insella.it/news/eicma-2021-honda-adv-350-dati-tecnici-e-foto-162590

29 HP engine
For the 330 cm³ single-cylinder 4-valve single-shaft distribution engine, an output of 29.2 HP (21.5 kW) at 7,500 rpm and a torque of 31.5 Nm at 5,250 rpm are declared. It is designed with state-of-the-art criteria, which include roller rocker arm timing, sealed crankcases, piston cooling with an oil jet spray underneath and countershaft to reduce vibrations. The cylinder is offset by 5 mm to reduce internal friction, and for similar reasons an oil recovery pump is used which lowers the internal pressure of the engine, reduces agitation of the oil itself and decreases pumping losses.

Low consumption
If the technique is a bit difficult for you, settle for the results: the ADV 350 travels fast and consumes very little, since it is able to reach 29.4 km / liter, which with an 11.7-liter tank means a autonomy of over 340 km. The transmission is automatic with centrifugal clutch and variator.
Three colors available: Spangle Silver Metallic, Mat Carbonium Gray Metallic and Mat Camelian Red Metallica.
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