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Just one last thing. When any sort of catastrophy to an engine under warranty happens, in this country manufacturers expect engineers to do all the usual stuff concerning strip down, but they also expect a full report about the oil being used in the bike. So one of the first things to do is get an oil test. Manufacturers want to know how much oil in the engine at time of catastrophy (if possible to determine), the quality of the oil, the TYPE of oil, and the grade of oil. They want a load of other info to but won't go there just now.

I'm not seeing this has been done here. Or perhaps it has and pullmyfinger hasn't given us the results.

Just to say that if the wrong type of oil is in use, that can void the warranty. So if someone were using diesel engine oil for trucks, and we know how many folks use it on here, that would normally void a warranty. It isn't recommended to use it in MC's even by oil manufacturers, bike manufacturers, dealers, technicians who know their stuff, testing houses etc simply because it has vastly less lubricating properties when used in high revving petrol engines and it is formulated differently to deal with a different type of carbon and has a different oil film strength (lower strength). Ability to cling at high revs is not good either. In a petrol engine diesel oil does not fair well on staying in spec either which does cause the engine to use more oil more quickly. So you can see why a manufacturer would want this info. Just saying!
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Stromrider wrote:
I'm out of here now as I can't add anything else constructive.

Starting from... now...
Stromrider wrote:
You seem to have not understood much about my posts. That's ok, but don't accuse me of stuff I haven't said. Thanks! I'm definitely going now and won't be back.

Ok, starting from... now...
Stromrider wrote:
Just one last thing.

Sorry, starting now... ROFL emoticon ROFL emoticon

Come on man, be honest... You are addicted to this thread...

I enjoy reading your posts and it wouldn't be the same without your input...
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Personal perspective- Both my 2015 GTS (sold at 12,000 miles) and my current 2018 GTS (2,000 miles) consume oil. I usually have to add a bit of oil (1/2 an ounce?) every 200 miles or so. Both scooters were broken-in nice and easy until 600 miles. Both use synthetic motorcycle oil of the appropriate type. After break-in, I rode them fast (on freeways at 70 mph) and with hard acceleration. I don't think the manner in which I ride helps keep oil consumption down, but it could have nothing to do with the oil consumption. I have no idea.

On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I added oil to a car. The first car I bought new was a 1999 Nissan Sentra… It was the last car I owned that required minimal oil between oil changes, but only as it aged (sold at 150,000 miles). I've owned three Toyotas since 2005: a 2005 Corolla (sold at 190,000 miles), a 2006 Sienna minivan (currently 160,000 miles), and a 2014 Camry (currently 70,000 miles). None has required oil between changes. I check the oil periodically, but it's just a waste of time. Unlike the Vespas, though, I'm not driving these vehicles at 90% throttle for 30 minutes at a time or accelerating hard from stops. Perhaps that's the difference.

If you are going to buy/ride a GTS300 (HPE or otherwise), know that it may use oil. If that's unacceptable to you, don't buy one. Or do buy one, and then complain on this forum. Members will listen and agree/disagree with you! But let's do our best to keep it civil…
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Burt37 wrote:
Starting from... now...



Ok, starting from... now...



Sorry, starting now... ROFL emoticon ROFL emoticon

Come on man, be honest... You are addicted to this thread...

I enjoy reading your posts and it wouldn't be the same without your input...
Yes I know Burt! And it wouldn't be the same without you either. That's occurred to me too ROFL emoticon

I'm just not seeing the expected oil analysis results, one of the most important factors in determining a cause and just about always required in cases like this. Ok, so should I completely go again and then come back or not? Lol... Wha? emoticon
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Stormrider, your ego can't keep you away from this thread.
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Stormrider, your ego can't keep you away from this thread.
Look who's talking.
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Stormrider, your ego can't keep you away from this thread.
Who's stromrider?? ROFL emoticon It was within my field of work and I'm not seeing some important evidence. Where are your oil test results? They can give us good clues as to causation. You did ask for suggestions & ideas from folks who have experience in this field. Honestly, just trying to help. There are so many unanswered questions concerning the motor in your workshop that need to be pursued.
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English is my second language, I'm not sure what your problem is with reading and comprehension? I asked you why you refuted the idea of a poorly designed ring pack, that's all. And in the thousands of words you typed there are only two sentences you dedicated to answering me, and it's not good enough. Very pedestrian, actually. I didn't ask you about oil test analysis... did you just go to BobIsTheOilGuy and find something new to add to your pretend expert arsenal? Thanks for offering unsolicited advice.

The issue of these engines is between the customers and Piaggio USA and I will not comment on any specifics. That should be easy enough to understand, even for you?

PS, It's three engines, not one. Three. I said this many times.
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Now when I open this thread, I feel like a rubber necker at a car crash Razz emoticon
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breaknwind, I don't understand why this had to go this way... it's unfortunate and it detracts from quality conversation.
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Now when I open this thread, I feel like a rubber necker at a car crash Razz emoticon
ROFL emoticon
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Challenge to the Oil K. Corral.
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The issue of these engines is between the customers and Piaggio USA and I will not comment on any specifics. That should be easy enough to understand, even for you?

Yet you have already done so in abundance. Anyway, not understanding your poor attitude but good luck anyway. Hope it's resolved satisfactorily for everyone concerned.
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breaknwind, I don't understand why this had to go this way... it's unfortunate and it detracts from quality conversation.
Unfortunately, most threads that have the word OIL in it, tends to go this way...

What I have experienced in my life is that you have two separate groups..

The mechanic that does find the problem and it has to solved, and the engineers, that once become aware of the problem/s, then wait for a mechanic to also provide a decent solution. They then apply the solution to the production line and take full credit for it...

Bus as always, I could be wrong...

Regardless, a good engine, once broken in, should not use oil, unless designed to do so... There is no escaping from that...
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Who's stormrider?? ROFL emoticon
Fixed that for you.

There for a bit of dyslexia, this could be your theme song.

I think this thread could go with a bit more civility.....I don't think personal attacks add to the environment here. It's certainly permissible to ignore a response you don't like. Nerd emoticon
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Fixed that for you.

There for a bit of dyslexia, this could be your theme song.

I think this thread could go with a bit more civility.....I don't think personal attacks add to the environment here. It's certainly permissible to ignore a response you don't like. Nerd emoticon
Yes, thanks fledermaus. That went totally wrong! ROFL emoticon
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Seeing some pots calling kettles black, and the convo getting a bit spicy in one or two places. That's fine to an extent, but please remember to not "be a dick" as the guidelines used to phrase it, and remember that we're all in this together at the end of the day.
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Jesus Christ...

I had to put my other glasses on...

From now on Stromrider it is...

Thanks Fleecemaus for pointing that out...

Oh, bugger... That's not Fleecemaus either.

Sorry guys. On my way to the optometrist right now...

PS

Thanks for remind me how old we are, by putting The Doors song on... Facepalm emoticon
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Locking from frustration!!!

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