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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 04:59:56 +0000 quote
charlieman22 wrote:
ahhh. got it.
looking more closely now - I see you extended the plate out past the tunnel edge - so your gonna get some support from that.
Maybe it won't need any more in the end.
Now that you raise all those issues - like drying out - you've given me something to ponder.

🙂
It's probably not a big deal in SoCal, but up here North of North Plains it gets wet...a lot. This scooter will most likely be a sunny weather rider so i'm not too concerned. If i lived in a dryer climate i would have plated the whole underside of the floorboard with a huge single piece of 3/16" aluminum in a heartbeat.

I'm also hoping to get this scooter assembled and running come around april time. My only concern is that since i have the engine tilted back so far (think extended rear shock spacer), that the carb float might have issues. That might mean making some sort of angled spacer shim that gets sandwiched between the carb and carb box?

And going back to my rusty frame, i had planned to Ospho the whole frame, then take it in and get the tunnel area sandblasted, then another coat of Ospho. But from prior experience, i figured that my frame would be REALLY holy afterwards. So i just did the Ospho instead...which i'm cool with. So when do you think you might begin on your frame? I know it's more than just me who is VERY curious what you're going to do with it!
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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:06:39 +0000 quote
I'm dying to do a build - but buried with other projects.
I'm actually getting a bit of flash rust no the surface - I had it sandblasted - so I need to do something to preserve it - that doesn't make it impossible to paint later.

Torn about what I will do.
Here in my beach city - the moneyed drive around in glorified golf carts.
Frankly - I think it's style-less.
Bores me.

Additionally - having seen a few warm weekends - Im sure that summer is going to be a nightmare of traffic in the center.
And a man needs to shop.
For beer and what not.

So - I am pondering an electric build - with sidecar - as my electric grocery getter.
If I was smart - I would make it convert to a tailor like a transformer - so I could also split lanes for when its busy.
🙂

It's either that or a rat rod 40HP autobahn burner.

Cant decide.
Mon, 27 Feb 2023 19:23:05 +0000

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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 19:23:05 +0000 quote
charlieman22 wrote:
It's either that or a rat rod 40HP autobahn burner.

Cant decide.
Why's it gotta be either or? Why not BOTH?
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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:29:09 +0000 quote
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Why's it gotta be either or? Why not BOTH?
You mean like a rat burner?
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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:48:59 +0000 quote
Hahahah.
One battle at a time boys.
One battle at a time!

Currently - that battle is my 10EE lathe.
Then I have a little sidecar project in mind.
That will work nicely with the Allstate.

Whodat's acting like the marines on this one.
Giving me lots to ponder.
Living vicariously.

Thanks John!
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Tue, 28 Feb 2023 00:30:55 +0000 quote
charlieman22 wrote:
I'm dying to do a build - but buried with other projects.
I'm actually getting a bit of flash rust no the surface - I had it sandblasted - so I need to do something to preserve it - that doesn't make it impossible to paint later.

Torn about what I will do.
Here in my beach city - the moneyed drive around in glorified golf carts.
Frankly - I think it's style-less.
Bores me.

Additionally - having seen a few warm weekends - Im sure that summer is going to be a nightmare of traffic in the center.
And a man needs to shop.
For beer and what not.

So - I am pondering an electric build - with sidecar - as my electric grocery getter.
If I was smart - I would make it convert to a tailor like a transformer - so I could also split lanes for when its busy.
🙂

It's either that or a rat rod 40HP autobahn burner.

Cant decide.
Rattle can cold-galv works well for preventing flash rust and wipes off pretty easily with acetone.
Tue, 28 Feb 2023 04:19:42 +0000

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Tue, 28 Feb 2023 04:19:42 +0000 quote
orwell84 wrote:
Rattle can cold-galv works well for preventing flash rust and wipes off pretty easily with acetone.
Uh - what if there is already some flash rust?
Asking for a friend.
Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:22:37 +0000

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Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:22:37 +0000 quote
whodatschrome wrote:
You mean like a rat burner?
Might as well, already halfway there!
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Wed, 01 Mar 2023 05:11:11 +0000 quote
Yes, this is a brand new fuel tank that i bought from SIP...which originated from Vietnam. Yes the tank came with a coating of oil. I'm guessing it was coated with oil AFTER it started to rust. But since i have low expectations from SIP, i'm more than pleased that it wasn't worse than what it was. I'm beginning to wonder if the fuel tank was stamped out of a rusty washing machine.

I decided to use electrolysis to remove the rust. I hooked it up this evening, and we'll see what it looks like in 24 hours.


Only slightly rusty on the sides and underneath.


Looking through the gas cap hole down inside the tank. You can see random rust throughout. There's also grind marks that aren't from me.


Looking at the inside top of the tank through the bottom fuel tap hole. There's tons of rust all around the whole perimeter. The pic doesn't do it justice.


water, baking soda, and a battery charger are the ingredients.

Wed, 01 Mar 2023 16:08:50 +0000

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Wed, 01 Mar 2023 16:08:50 +0000 quote
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Yes, this is a brand new fuel tank that i bought from SIP...which originated from Vietnam. Yes the tank came with a coating of oil. I'm guessing it was coated with oil AFTER it started to rust. But since i have low expectations from SIP, i'm more than pleased that it wasn't worse than what it was. I'm beginning to wonder if the fuel tank was stamped out of a rusty washing machine.

I decided to use electrolysis to remove the rust. I hooked it up this evening, and we'll see what it looks like in 24 hours.
Washing soda works better. It's a little bit different than baking soda, I think they heat baking soda to remove something which turns it into washing soda… works very well.
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Thu, 02 Mar 2023 01:26:51 +0000 quote
FridayMatinee wrote:
Washing soda works better. It's a little bit different than baking soda, I think they heat baking soda to remove something which turns it into washing soda… works very well.
I did read that you can use washing soda. I figured that it was the exact same thing as baking soda, but that it was called washing soda because of a "lost in transition" on an overseas youtube video. Thanks for for setting me straight!

I will continue to use the backing soda on this fuel tank, just because i have it. But i will search for some washing soda for future projects. I'm got a stack of rusty vespa rims that i'd like to get cleaned up. I'm contemplating just getting them sandblasted though. The reason being is that i'd like to keep the exterior rust and patina, while removing all of the rust from the inner side. And that won't work if i simply do an electrolysis dip.

I did also read that you can use some sort of wood deck cleaner or bleach agent instead of washing/backing soda?
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Thu, 02 Mar 2023 01:31:32 +0000 quote
I had the tank soaking from 4pm last night and took a pic of it at 6am this morning. I changed the bath water around noon today and plugged the charger back in. I'll let it do its thing tonight and clean it with a pressure washer tomorrow. I'll then give it an Ospho scrubbing to get rid of any flash rust.


what the tank and water looks like after 14 hours.

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Quote:
I figured that it was the exact same thing as baking soda, but that it was called washing soda because of a "lost in transition" on an overseas youtube video.
hahahahahahaha
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Mon, 06 Mar 2023 03:55:48 +0000 quote
An update on the fuel tank...

I changed the water and baking soda bath and dipped the tank for another day. It came out pretty darn clean. Of course there was black crust (what used to be the brown rust) still inside the tank. I then blasted the inside of the tank with a pressure washer. That removed a bit of the black crust. After drying the tank i poured Ospho inside then duct taped the holes shut. Just swirling the Ospho around removed 100% of the black crust in just a few seconds. I then pressure washed the tank a second time, dried out the tank again, then completely coated the tank inside and out with Ospho again. This time i let the 'Pho completely dry. When it comes time to primer the tank, i'll clean the white powdery residue off of it first. It's pretty amazing just how well it cleaned the metal. The pics don't do it justice.




looking down into the tank from where the gas cap is.



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Mon, 06 Mar 2023 04:28:50 +0000 quote
The left side cowl was rusty enough that two of the lower cowl tabs rusted off. After scrubbing the cowl with Ospho multiple times i got most all of the rust removed...along with precious cowl metal that magically disappeared. I tack welded in a piece of stainless steel over one of the very thin areas. Yes, the cowl should be replaced...No, that not the look i'm going for. The cowl is still solid enough that anything larger than a broken bag of BB's won't fall through the holes.


a small piece of stainless steel is tack welded in. I painted underneath the support panel before i did any welding.


i had to buy two of these replacement brackets.


welded into place


check out the swiss cheese! FYI, the brown next to the patch panel is just primer.


what the heat from the welds did to the paint underneath, and how i don't care one bit what it looks like.

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Mon, 06 Mar 2023 05:04:55 +0000 quote
Nice patina
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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:34:03 +0000 quote
This is what the cowl looks like with two coats of primer slathered on the inside of it.

Another very resent thing i did was to just spot spray a couple small areas with a cheap rattle can clear coat. The results looked good enough to me so i spray bombed the whole dang scooter in a clear. Before everyone winces in the idea of that, i did scrub all the body parts with two coats of Ospho. Do i expect the rust to come back? 100% yes i do. The clear coats i see as just a semi-temporarily rust resistant coating. No doubt at some point the rust will seep out from under the clear...i don't care. This scooter will probably be relegated to warm sunny dry days, so it should last another 20~30 years...as long as i don't jump it.




In this pic, only the cowl has been clear coated. You can clearly see that the cowl has some shine to it when compared to the main frame.


I really like how the mudguard looks with clear sprayed over it.

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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:45:16 +0000 quote
One of my friends hooked me up with a used carb door frame flap on monday! I'm super exited that i didn't have to buy a new one. The reason being is that a new one would look out of place. I did a little bit of distressing of the paint and now i'm pleased with the results. I also had an old WW2 serial plate sitting around in my shop for the past 10 years. I've been wanting to use it on something, and since the frame door that i got has a missing plate, well, that's where the St. Louis Ordnance Plant War Depart plate went. St. Louis has nothing to do with Vespas or Italian, but that's exactly where this plate is going!

At this point, the whole scooter has been clear coated and is ready for assembly I have a SIP order that's supposed to arrive later this week. So hopefully this weekend i can begin to assembly!





Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:51:22 +0000

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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:51:22 +0000 quote
Very cool - perfect look with the clear. And I'm diggin the War Department plaque!
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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 14:01:33 +0000 quote
That's hella cool.
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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 14:11:52 +0000 quote
You will win every single patina contest ever...

Looks amazing.
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Thu, 23 Mar 2023 15:03:33 +0000 quote
Like the St Louis War dept. tag.
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Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:15:57 +0000 quote
I got the rear disc brake all mounted up today. It takes a slight bit of modifying in order to get it to mount on the swingarm. The reason being is that the perfectly round bracket gets mounted around an oblong shaped engine swingarm. It takes a little bit of sanding down the aluminum in order for that bracket to slip over the swingarm. I also temporarily bleed and hooked up a master cylinder to the rear caliper. The reason being is that in order for the caliper to line up correctly with the brake rotor, the brake pads need to be clamped down on the rotor. This in turn positions the torque arm, which in turn positions the swingarm mounting bracket. If anything is out of whack, burned up bearings, rotor, or pads could be the results. Lucky for me that i got everything to line up perfectly on my first try...not like you get a second chance through.

I haven't tried installing the engine into the frame with the rear disc mounted just yet, but i can see a problem already...the two M8 screws that bolt the torque arm to the swingarm bracket will not be accessible because the frame will be blocking access to them...which means i would physically have to remove the entire engine from the frame in order to remove the torque arm (in order to remove the rear tire and wheel)! I'll have to figure out where to drill a couple access holes.


3 set screws are what locate the bracket on the swingarm.


The torque arm bracket (around the swingarm) comes threaded with m6x1. I continued drilling and tapping into the swingarm as well.


All three set screws loctited into place.





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Mon, 27 Mar 2023 06:14:12 +0000 quote
Whodat - looking good!
is it possible you could use these tow for taking the arm off - when changing the tire?

Maybe even just one - and let it swing down?



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Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:30:06 +0000 quote
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Whodat - looking good!
is it possible you could use these tow for taking the arm off - when changing the tire?

Maybe even just one - and let it swing down?
You are correct that those are the two bolts that get removed, but those are also the bolts that i won't be able to gain access to once the engine is installed in the wideframe. A standard largeframe wouldn't have this issue. I'll post up some pics at some point so that you can see where the issue lies. It might be a week until i get to that point though.
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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:40:57 +0000 quote
I mocked up the engine with the disc brake installed for the first time today. Well to be more accurate, i installed and removed the engine about 6 or 7 times this afternoon. No need to go to the gym when you can do arm curls and kettle squats with a fully dressed P200 engine.

With the engine installed, the first problem was that one of the M6 button head set screws (that locate the torque arm bracket) was fouling out against one of the M10 cap screws that bolt the large stainless engine adapter to the wideframe. It wouldn't be an issue during normal operation during the full suspension travel, but it would be an issue if i wanted to pivot down the engine (for possible maintenance) once the rear shock is removed.

I tried sanding down the M10 by lock washer, but i couldn't sand it down far enough. I ended up finding a brand new low profile M10 cap screw in my shop. It's a proprietary KTM bolt, so i didn't really want to give it up, but gave it up i did. I also used a countersink drill bit on the torque arm bracket so that i could use a flat head screw (instead of a button head screw). Once those two little modifications were done, all was right in the world again...

...until i needed to drill an access hole through the side of the lower frame so that i could slip through the end of a ball head allen wrench into the upper torque arm mounting bolt. Hopefully i have the hole low enough that the left cowl and cowl rubber don't block it. I did a really rough mock up with the side cowl on, and it's going to be close.


engine mocked up into place


the button head screw (on the torque arm bracket) fouling out against the frame mounting bolt...doh!


countersunk hole drilled and a flat head screw installed


The low profile KTM bolt on the right gave me the clearance i needed.


Now we have clearance!


The location of the access hole for the upper torque arm bracket bolt.

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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:48:29 +0000 quote
I also spent the weekend installing brand new floorboard strips. I had REALLY wanted to find used ones, but now i'm REALLY liking how the new strips look with a rotted out floor. I still need to buy some longer M3 screws to finish the strips completely.







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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:15:59 +0000 quote
Loving this.
Rails look superb on old floorboards.
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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 06:06:36 +0000 quote
Some of you here might remember that i crushed the heck out of my foot last year (11 months and 3 weeks ago to be exact) when i was out on my dirtbike at a desert race. First off i did finish the race. Second off, i came away with 3 broken up metatarsals and a torn out tendon in my right foot. Third off, i spent the next 3+ months laying flat on my back on the couch with my foot elevated 23 hours and 55 minutes a day...which means i because very familiar with bed sores. I also lost an unhealthy about of weight and a dangerously low body fat percentage. It may sound like a 1st world problem to loose weight, but more me it was more like a 3rd world problem. My foot just hurt too much that eating and drinking meant getting up and going to the bathroom, so i kinda more often less quit doing those (essential) things for 3-4 months. Long story short, i got all the hardware (3 plates and 14 screws) removed from my foot just after christmas time. I told the surgeon that i wanted to keep the hardware so that i could use it on one of my scooter projects. And since i was working on this scooter right before i crushed my foot, this was going to be the project where the hardware would be utilized.

I spent a lot of time hemming and hawing on exactly where to install the hardware. This weekend i finally found a great spot for it all. There are 3 separate tears in the right side of the legshield, so those areas seemed to be a perfect spot to install my 3 plates. I didn't install any of my 14 screws that were in my foot since they were wood screws. So in lieu of my 14 wood...i mean bone screws, i used 14 machine screws instead. I'm pleasantly pleased with the results! And yeah, my foot still hurts quite a bit a year later. I do have "better" pics of my foot a few weeks after my surgery, but it might gross some of you out here.


Where i procured all of my hardware


a few of these screws are 1.5" long. I'm not really sure what inside my foot is 1.5" diameter.


one of the tears


tear now patched


backside view





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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:26:18 +0000 quote
That is flippin awesome and super creative. I'm diggin this beast!
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Perfect.
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Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX181 Quattrini and some motorbikes
Joined: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 05:16:54 +0000
Posts: 3892
Location: London UK
 
Jet Eye Master
PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX181 Quattrini and some motorbikes
Joined: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 05:16:54 +0000
Posts: 3892
Location: London UK
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:55:24 +0000 quote
Going to be cool for sure. Is it too rusty to put a kit on?
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:30:00 +0000

Nedminder
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 09:50:15 +0000
Posts: 3670
Location: california
 
Nedminder
62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
Joined: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 09:50:15 +0000
Posts: 3670
Location: california
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:30:00 +0000 quote
Ha!
Great idea
OP
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:17:22 +0000

parallelogramerist
Joined: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:20:12 +0000
Posts: 4516

 
parallelogramerist
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Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:17:22 +0000 quote
I got some ideas for my electrical system. Actually my idea is to have a bright LED headlight and taillight, and then work backwards into my wire harness from there. As an experiment, i grabbed a silver colored Baja Designs Squadron XL-R off my shelf. The light is destined for the front winch bumper on my sister's truck, but i haven't gotten around to doing that just yet.

The XL housing is pretty darn huge when compared to a standard sized Squadron LED. No way was it going to fit inside my VB1 headset without some grinding. I was VERY hesitant to modifying a brand new expensive light, only to find that it won't fit. So i called up Baja Designs and talked to one of the guys in the tech department. He must have called ID, because i only told him my first name, and he asked if my address was still the same. I'm guessing he must have done a quick search on all my prior large order histories with the company, because he all of a sudden said that he will be shipping me two free empty XL light housings that i can cut up and experiment with!

So this morning i cut the cooling fins off the back and then sanded down the outer edges of the housing. The light now juuuuust barely fits with zero issues! I had a round black bezel on my shelf that was helpful to get a visual as well. So i think i'm going to proceed with pursuing this LED. Baja Designs also sells an XL housing that already has all of the cooling fins milled off, so that will be the one i'll go after. The lights also come in a few different wattages (26 led, 40 led, 80 led, and a crazy 90 watt laser version...yes laser). The 40 watt will be waaay to bright to use on the street, so i'll just get the 26 watt version. It will still be about as bright as a pair of modern automotive headlights.


My care package from Baja Designs


what the empty housing looks like. The wall thickness looks to be 3/8" thick!


with the cooling fins cut off






With the round bezel installed



Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:33:45 +0000

Banned
4:5
Joined: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:38:46 +0000
Posts: 8585
Location: San Francisco
 
Banned
4:5
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Posts: 8585
Location: San Francisco
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:33:45 +0000 quote
The late 50s early 60s headset always reminded me of War of the Worlds, this pushes it over the top.
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:31:17 +0000

The Dude
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: Mon, 06 May 2019 08:34:14 +0000
Posts: 1600
Location: PNW from LBC
 
The Dude
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: Mon, 06 May 2019 08:34:14 +0000
Posts: 1600
Location: PNW from LBC
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:31:17 +0000 quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
The late 50s early 60s headset always reminded me of War of the Worlds, this pushes it over the top.
YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSS!! Nailed it right there. The headlight is awesome. Everything youre doing is cool. love the foot hardware patch kit. nice personal touch. literally.
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:36:43 +0000

The Dude
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: Mon, 06 May 2019 08:34:14 +0000
Posts: 1600
Location: PNW from LBC
 
The Dude
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: Mon, 06 May 2019 08:34:14 +0000
Posts: 1600
Location: PNW from LBC
Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:36:43 +0000 quote
I love the billet bezel against the patina headset. It looks like a perfect fit after your work.
OP
Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:08:53 +0000

parallelogramerist
Joined: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:20:12 +0000
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parallelogramerist
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Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:08:53 +0000 quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
The late 50s early 60s headset always reminded me of War of the Worlds, this pushes it over the top.
LOL...that's a spot on description!
OP
Wed, 29 Mar 2023 06:07:36 +0000

parallelogramerist
Joined: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:20:12 +0000
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parallelogramerist
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Wed, 29 Mar 2023 06:07:36 +0000 quote
Jack221 wrote:
Going to be cool for sure. Is it too rusty to put a kit on?
"When in doubt, kit it out"?

No kitting on this scooter. This stock P200 engine used to be in my Allstate, and it always had a very decent about of torque...which i loved. There was a T5 carb on it when i first bought the scooter. The only changes i made was that i matched the stock top end to the cases and flowed the carb and box to the intake, and install a short 4th. One kitted scooter is enough for me...even though i have 4 that are kitted, 1 that's a stock stoked 208, and another that's an O tune.
OP
Wed, 05 Apr 2023 04:20:40 +0000

parallelogramerist
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parallelogramerist
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Wed, 05 Apr 2023 04:20:40 +0000 quote
I gathered up some bits so that i can begin to wire up the scooter. I bought a new Piaggio 120 watt stator, Trailtech regulator rectifier, and a condenser. I'm planning on having full wave 12 volt DC power, so i will have to float the ground on the stator. I will also be using a condenser instead of a battery.

I made a pretty simple vibration resistant mounting bracket for the condenser. The two rubber condenser straps are off of my spare KTM 625 SXC parts bike. The KTM also uses a condenser in its ignition system, but it's a bit too small for my likings, so i bought one that's the same diameter, but about twice as long. A simple 3/4" wide strip of aluminum is used to mount the condenser straps to.







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