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A friend gave me a Vespa yesterday to restore. However, I am baffled by the frame number: VLB1T 1994425. According to Scooterhelp it is a 1973 Sprint. But the Sprints were only built up to 1971 and the chassis numbers stopped at 150 000.

So which Vespa is this? The horn is affixed with 3 screws, and it uses the large Piaggio hexagon.
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Do you have a photo?

It looks like it might be a 1974 (if there's an extra number in there).

https://www.vespa.name/vespa-model/vespa-150-sprint-veloce

Looks like they were made up to 1979. Definitely there were new ones in 1977. They were replaced by the P Series.
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Mystery solved: I was looking for original colour codes, and on this website https://www.vespaclub.com/modelli-vespa it shows that the Sprints were made up to chassis number 1205477.

If someone can advise Scooterhelp to update their info, it would be appreciated.
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how is the headlight? rounded or trapezoidal?
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No headset and light, but I will fit the trapezoidal.
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Is the engine original and does it have three ports and a 20/20 carb? If it's a Veloce, you'll want the Rally style headset to be correct
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Yes, the engine is 2P, thus a Sprint.
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VIN makes it a 1974 Sprint V. That would also explain the hexagon badge...
Maybe the engine's not original to the frame??
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The Sprint chassis numbers went from 01 001 to 1 205 477, and the Sprint Veloce went from 150 001 to 294 169, thus this body must be a Sprint with chassis number 1 194 425.
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Vespa.name gives the following...

Sprint 150
VLB1T 1965 1001 - 26478
VLB1T 1966 26479 - 39230
VLB1T 1967 39231 - 63336
VLB1T 1968 63337 - 89260
VLB1T 1969 89261 - 108325
VLB1T 1970 108326 - 132259
VLB1T 1971 132260 - 150000

VLB2T 1971 1150001 - 1150937
VLB2T 1972 1150938 - 1170660
VLB2T 1973 1170661 - 1199479
VLB2T 1974 1199480 - 1205477

Sprint Veloce 150
VLB1T 1969 150001 - 154384
VLB1T 1970 154385 - 159754
VLB1T 1971 159755 - 164041
VLB1T 1972 164042 - 169331
VLB1T 1973 169332 - 173345
VLB1T 1974 173346 - 213336
VLB1T 1975 213337 - 248469
VLB1T 1976 248470 - 294169
VLB1T 1977 294170 - 349628
VLB1T 1978 349629 - 367672
VLB1T 1979 367673 - 368119
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Well, then we have a mystery: this body is definitely a VLB1T 1194425. And according to your list the VLB1T''s did not go that far?
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Yeah, it's strange. Is there a chance the "1" is actually a "2" and cause of the usual wear / rust looks like a "1"??
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No, definitely a 1. But according to the website https://www.vespaclub.com/modelli-vespa the Sprint chassis numbers went up to 1205477. And they do not mention a Vespa model with chassis prefix VLB2T. And neither does SIP.

This is really strange.
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I think it must be a mistake on https://www.vespa.name/vin-number 's side, since Scooterhelp does not list a chassis starting with VLB2T either.
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