Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:19 am

Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:19 am linkquote
Fellow riders. I want to share some feedback on an engine stand that I got and let you judge based on the key points and pictures. Below are the various flaws:

1) The hardware came with no washers

2) Bolt securing the rear shock mounting point was so short that it wouldn't even protrude therefore the nut wouldn't grab the other end

3) the Engine stands wobbles badly. There is a half an inch gap on the frame when the frame sits on a flat surface making the whole frame rock side to side. This half an inch on the bottom magnifies to a 1.5" movement at the top of the engine

4) The engine stand will only mount the engine without the factory exhaust therefore this engine stand is strictly for engine rebuilt/parts install or removal but not valid to use it as a engine fine tuning while the engine runs

5) The welds are barely sufficient, it clearly shows that in some point of the frame the metal tubing wasn't welded all the way around.

6) The 4" horizontal frame metal stabilizer looks very weak, if the weld breaks you engine will tilt and fall on its flywheel side 100% and it you have the engine on a work bench and you are tightening something hard the engine will fall to the floor if the 4" horizontal stabilizer breaks the weld.

7) The tubing/bracket that holds the rear shock is weak, it tilts 15", it doesn't look sturdy

Would I ever buy something like that again? Hell no!! Would I like you to buy an engine stand like that? hell no!!! and that is why I am writing this review so that you have at least an honest opinion. I purchased it thinking that it was sturdy but it wasn't. I thought I that could put my complete engine including the exhaust but it wasn't the case.

For $80 you might as well go to Home Depot buy PVC pipes, 2" by 4" and hardware and you can't go wrong.

In summary, this is not a well thought out engine stand, they could truly and honestly done a much better job, an "L" shape frame base doesn't cut it and it takes no extra effort to make the frame slightly wider so that you can fit the exhaust too. My .2c



















Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:30 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:30 am linkquote
That's a pretty craptastic looking stand, for sure. It's not even a good assembly stand because it doesn't rotate to allow easy access to both sides of the motor unless you have nothing else on that part of your bench.

To get a stand that will hold the motor with an exhaust on it, you're going to need it to be about 18" wide at the swingarm (the width of the floorboards) to fit both boxes and pipes, which means a larger, stronger/heavier, and more expensive stand than a lot of people want, especially if you want to be able to run a motor on it.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:37 am

Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:37 am linkquote
I am trying to upload a video but the format of the video is not compatible. The engine stand rocks badly. My concern is that eventually if the welds fails on the 4" horizontal stabilizer your engine will hit the floor and if the engine is on a 4' high workbench you can say bye-bye to the engine.

Also, is worth mentioning that because the design of the engine stand the engine is pulling badly to the flywheel side, it is poorly balanced. I can see the 4" horizontal stabilizer snapping at the welds while you are torquing the flywheel. Time will tell but I personally would not recommend this engine stand.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:00 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:00 am linkquote
You have to host the video somewhere else, and post a link here. I use YouTube since I'm familiar with it.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:51 pm

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
Joined: 27 Mar 2013
Posts: 1097
Location: S.Salem, NY
 
Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
Joined: 27 Mar 2013
Posts: 1097
Location: S.Salem, NY
Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:51 pm linkquote
Would you divulge the source ?
Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:57 pm

Addicted
1978 P150X; 1982 P200e
Joined: 18 Jul 2010
Posts: 514
Location: Toronto
 
Addicted
1978 P150X; 1982 P200e
Joined: 18 Jul 2010
Posts: 514
Location: Toronto
Sat Nov 13, 2021 12:57 pm linkquote
Oddly enough I just got that stand. I found that i had to do some filing to get the parts together. Also, I don't understand why the bolt for the rear shock mount isn't long enough. Real half ass job with this stand.

That said, I am using it but definitely would not recommend.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:12 pm

Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:12 pm linkquote
Moto64 wrote:
Would you divulge the source ?
Nope, sorry, it is part of the guidelines and I also got briefed by a couple of the moderators to keep it without giving names. Besides that, the vendor/distributor is a great vendor and have been fair to me, I just don't support this particular item.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:15 pm

Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:15 pm linkquote
Velasquez wrote:
Oddly enough I just got that stand. I found that i had to do some filing to get the parts together. Also, I don't understand why the bolt for the rear shock mount isn't long enough. Real half ass job with this stand.

That said, I am using it but definitely would not recommend.
That is what I am saying. Is it really that difficult to actually get the proper length hardware? is it that difficult to add a total of 6 washers to guarantee proper seating of the hardware? You nailed it with the half a$s comment.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:17 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:17 pm linkquote
I had one of those stands, and yes, they're poorly made and unstable. I ended up giving it away and making my own.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Molto Verboso
63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 1071
Location: Tucson, AZ
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:25 pm linkquote
^^You are more than welcome to share a good source of an engine stand, I will gladly pay for a quality frame. If anyone has a first hand experience with a decent engine stand please share.

I would prefer something that would accommodate the oem exhaust as well so that I can actually run the engine and fine tune it if needed.
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:30 pm

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:30 pm linkquote
You can build one using cast iron pipe for plumbing, not hard to figure out, no welding required all screw together.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:50 am

Hooked
1964 V90, 1974 Rally 210, 1974 Primavera 135, 1974 Ciao, 1977 Rally 200, 1982 Bajaj Gopher RE (3 Wheeler)
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Michigan City, Indiana
 
Hooked
1964 V90, 1974 Rally 210, 1974 Primavera 135, 1974 Ciao, 1977 Rally 200, 1982 Bajaj Gopher RE (3 Wheeler)
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Michigan City, Indiana
Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:50 am linkquote
I ordered the one in the link, it rotates and seems very well made.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/engine-mounting-stand-serie-pro-advanced_89007200?q=Engine%20stand
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:25 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:25 am linkquote
I've used this one on a few engines now. It's worked well for me.

https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Other-Helpful-Tools/STERLING-6000
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:51 am

Molto Verboso
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Posts: 1403
Location: Racing Capital of the World
 
Molto Verboso
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Posts: 1403
Location: Racing Capital of the World
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:51 am linkquote
my .02 cents.

Pay a guy in Tucson to build you one. The local guy probably has some scrap he can bend and weld up for you. Just drop off the engine and exhaust for him to work around. might cost you $100-200. . ..

What's great about this is you are getting something American MADE and putting food on the table of someones family. The appreciation would go further than you ever would have thought.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:52 am

Not So Moderator
VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 5439
Location: Hustletown, TX
 
Not So Moderator
VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
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Posts: 5439
Location: Hustletown, TX
Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:52 am linkquote
^^^
This!


Other end...
Factory Service Station Stand



Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:12 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
Joined: 04 Apr 2013
Posts: 5375
Location: San Diego, CA
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
Joined: 04 Apr 2013
Posts: 5375
Location: San Diego, CA
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:12 am linkquote
FWIW I have the same as the OP. My copy is better made, it is at least flat. It doesn't have great weight balance. But it puts the engine at a convenient height on my bench. I just turn the stand around when I want to get to the other side. I do think I had to go source a longer shock mount bolt as well. I have no interest in running it on the stand, so the exhaust has not been a concern for me. I'd probably be pissed if it was as poorly made as his copy, but it's been a decent buy. Overall, I've been reasonably happy with it.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:26 am

Moderatus Rana
MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Posts: 22159
Location: Nashville, Indiana
 
Moderatus Rana
MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Posts: 22159
Location: Nashville, Indiana
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:26 am linkquote
scooterist wrote:
Nope, sorry, it is part of the guidelines and I also got briefed by a couple of the moderators to keep it without giving names. Besides that, the vendor/distributor is a great vendor and have been fair to me, I just don't support this particular item.
Thank you for following the guidelines. You can reveal the make and model though.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:13 am

Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 1921
Location: Siam
 
Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 1921
Location: Siam
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:13 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
^^^
This!


Other end...
Factory Service Station Stand
That's what I have. It works perfectly. I was able to build both a small frame engine and a large frame engine on it. Old Italian craftsmanship.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:32 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:32 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Other end...
Factory Service Station Stand
That's a sweet stand!
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:52 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:52 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Other end...
Factory Service Station Stand
I've coveted that stand since the day I saw it. What a gem.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:29 pm

Not So Moderator
VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 5439
Location: Hustletown, TX
 
Not So Moderator
VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
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Posts: 5439
Location: Hustletown, TX
Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:29 pm linkquote
It's a cool piece of kit, super lucky to source one.
(Spanish and Italy ebay…. Ahem)
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:58 pm

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 8444
Location: seattle/athens
 
Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Location: seattle/athens
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:58 pm linkquote
GickSpeed wrote:
my .02 cents.

Pay a guy in Tucson to build you one. The local guy probably has some scrap he can bend and weld up for you. Just drop off the engine and exhaust for him to work around. might cost you $100-200. . ..

What's great about this is you are getting something American MADE and putting food on the table of someones family. The appreciation would go further than you ever would have thought.
+1 on this way, and NONE of these so far mentioned are right to fire your motor up on as you said you want. That's something I'd require
too. I'd even recommend that ppl thinking about welding could use this as useful a first project that won't wreck your bike and you can keep on improving it like I had to.

But I do have a nice waist high adjustable assembly stand I inherited from Doc Morgan that's much like Birdie has. It's better for assembly but doesn't spin horizontally like the best of these do.


an old car wheel makes a sturdy base with some weight that you will need
muff works OK there just clamped tight to spud, but not bolted to swingarm


caster bracket and muffler clamp bracket make it adjustable for smallframe motors


I did have to add an extension to the 'foot' sticking out when a high compression motor almost motor went over when kicked


this is the assembly stand, weird connection at the swing arm end


swivels easily vertically when the center bolt is loosened


long bolt connects swing arm at only one end, fine for assembly though

Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:36 pm

Addicted
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 916
Location: PNW from LBC
 
Addicted
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 916
Location: PNW from LBC
Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:36 pm linkquote
I have the same one. LML copy of a Piaggio assembly stand. I like the rotating feature.It fits both small and large frame motors, as well as Wideframe motors.

These style stands were originally designed for the wideframe motor, which is why it has the large round mount for front swing arm. On a Wide motor, the central insert is removed; and the rear portion of WF engine case slides into the large circle; which is then clamped down to secure it in place. Over the years Piaggio adapted the stand to also fit the newer platforms, which is why it work ok but not great for the large and small motors.

As Voodoo said, you cant do test run on this stand; but for an assembly only stand its pretty good overall.



Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:35 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:35 am linkquote
Since it popped up on my phone as having been built three years ago today, here's my original gas pipe engine stand...

A little bit chonky, but anyone who's watched one of my First Start Videos has seen it in action with both tuned pipes and box exhausts at various levels of attachment.



Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:38 pm

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 8444
Location: seattle/athens
 
Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 8444
Location: seattle/athens
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:38 pm linkquote
Minimalist and cheap, I like it! But I'd put a concrete block or something on the bottom when I wanted to test the motor, my heavy stand already wanna be dancing all around the shop.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:01 am

Member
1970 Vespa Sprint, 1979 Vespa P125X, 1978 Vespa P200E, 1978 Vespa 50 Special
Joined: 21 Nov 2016
Posts: 9
Location: New Hampshire
 
Member
1970 Vespa Sprint, 1979 Vespa P125X, 1978 Vespa P200E, 1978 Vespa 50 Special
Joined: 21 Nov 2016
Posts: 9
Location: New Hampshire
Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:01 am linkquote
I have one of the Sterling engine stands mentioned above and it's really solid. I build a few motors on it, and would end up propping up a side with a block of wood when doing bottom end work. Over the summer I upgraded to a SIP stand that rotates on two axis. It's not cheap, but for me it was really worth the investment (I still have a personal backlog of a few engine to get through). Being able to spin and roll the engine over a few degrees makes work so much faster.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/engine-mounting-stand-sip_89006200?q=engine%20stand



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