Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:30 am

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
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Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:30 am linkquote
So, I removed and rebuild the selector box on my '64 Allstate. Very little wear and everything went back together easily.

Does anyone have a write-up/link/wiki on how to sync up the batwing and the shifter, and the tension on the two cables? Thanks.





Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:46 am

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:46 am linkquote
There is a write up on the Scooter Mercato site under Garage: tech tips to rebuild the selector box As for cable and shifter tube synch, I just put it on the dot for neutral and do the same on the selector (batwing) and adjust the cables from there. Get the rear tire off the ground, spin the wheel while running it thru the gears. Now this is a short explanation, there are many much better write ups. Try a search on here, I'm sure you will find a better one
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:58 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:58 am linkquote
SIP has a tutorial that walks you thru it.

Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:01 pm

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
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Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:01 pm linkquote
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:23 pm

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Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:23 pm linkquote
Yes, Thank you Mike, I knew it had to be out there, I just did not have the time to look at work.
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:34 pm

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1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
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1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:34 pm linkquote
OK, so I have the selector back on and installed a fresh set of inner cables. Flushed the cable sheathes with contact cleaner and cable lube. Nice and smooth movement prior to attaching the cable the the selector. It's still very difficult to shift though. With the clutch pulled all the way in (when riding) the shifter needs what seems like a lot of torque to change gears. Did I miss something?
Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:17 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
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Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:17 pm linkquote
Can you shift smoothly through the gears without the selector box, using just the rod? If not, the issue is inside the case, not with the selector or the cables.

If the gears shift ok using the rod, try hooking up both cables to the selector box and shifting through the gears without the box attached to the engine. You should be able to click through all the gears smoothly. If not, it could be the box was re-assembled incorrectly or needs lube.
Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:39 pm

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1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:39 pm linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Can you shift smoothly through the gears without the selector box, using just the rod?
Could you walk me through this process? Thanks in advance.

I found a video instruction on this and will give it a shot tomorrow. I'm thinking it might be the selector spring tension. In the videos, their batwing seems to turn/click in an out of gear relatively easily with minor to moderate tension. Mine can barely be turned by hand. Also my spring was very difficult to compress into its recess when I reassembled the box. More to follow.....

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Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:45 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:45 pm linkquote
- Take the selector box off and move it out of the way. You can leave the cables attached.

- Jack up the rear of the scoot so the back wheel is off the ground and able to spin. Make sure it's stable.

- As you spin the back wheel, you'll see the selector rod spinning. You should be able push and pull the selector rod in and out as you spin the wheel. What you're doing is moving the cruciform through the gears. All the way in is 4th gear, then 3rd, 2nd, neutral, and all the way out is 1st.
Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:48 pm

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:48 pm linkquote
Excellent. Thanks again.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:46 am

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:46 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
- Take the selector box off and move it out of the way. You can leave the cables attached.

- Jack up the rear of the scoot so the back wheel is off the ground and able to spin. Make sure it's stable.

- As you spin the back wheel, you'll see the selector rod spinning. You should be able push and pull the selector rod in and out as you spin the wheel. What you're doing is moving the cruciform through the gears. All the way in is 4th gear, then 3rd, 2nd, neutral, and all the way out is 1st.
Everything seems OK with the selector rod. With the box off, the shifter was still very stiff. I removed the spring and it's buttery smooth. I ended up dremmeling off two coils from the spring and now she shifts a lot easier. Thanks for everyone's help.
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