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https://www.rideapart.com/news/547303/bmw-ce04-electric-scooter-production/

Bring your wallet.
BMW = "Break My Wallet" or "Bring My Wallet".

It sounds like it'll be a good performer, but, I think it is ugly.

Plus with the torque it likely has off the line with a 30 KW motor, good luck keeping from sliding backwards on that plank-flat seat.

Vespa's next electric should be GTS-e with a 20kw motor, top speed of 75 MPH, and at least 60 miles of range.
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BMW Lekky Scooter £11,700

BMW R18 Brand new Series One discounted to sell £15,000

Hmmmmm
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BMW Lekky Scooter £11,700

BMW R18 Brand new Series One discounted to sell £15,000

Hmmmmm
That's the tough sell on electrics for sure.

Top of the line Zero SRF or SRS is $20k. There are a lot of very nice motorcycles in that price range (and a lot less money too).

The Vespa Electrica is a 50cc performing scooter (maybe partway between a 50cc and a 125cc) for the price of a GTS 300.
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I'd take the GTS.

Just sayin.
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kz1000ST wrote:
https://www.rideapart.com/news/547303/bmw-ce04-electric-scooter-production/

Bring your wallet.
I owned a BMW C650. It was a fine performer but very heavy and quite expensive to maintain. My BMW dealer made every effort to disparage scooters even though I was a motorcycle customer also. I suspect that BMW dealers are not all that interested in scooters much as Harley dealers are not all that interested in small displacement motorcycles, JMO...
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jas67 wrote:
Vespa's next electric should be GTS-e with a 20kw motor, top speed of 75 MPH, and at least 60 miles of range.
60 mile range?

I won't buy a bike with less range than my current Supertech. I don't want to give up touring
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60 mile range?

I won't buy a bike with less range than my current Supertech. I don't want to give up touring
60 mile range fits my use-case for a scooter just fine. I use motorcycles for touring.

That said, the GTS would be fine for touring, but, I prefer 200+ mile range on my touring bikes, vs. the 120 or so I can get out my GTS before I really need few.
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60 mile range fits my use-case for a scooter just fine. I use motorcycles for touring.

That said, the GTS would be fine for touring, but, I prefer 200+ mile range on my touring bikes, vs. the 120 or so I can get out my GTS before I really need few.
120miles (193km), hmm. I get plenty more than that with my HPE when touring but maybe not radically different when riding around the city.

longest I've done on a tank when touring is 269km (167miles). I usually average 32km/l in the country. But I only assume 220-230km (137-243miles)
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I prefer 200+ mile range on my touring bikes, vs. the 120 or so I can get out my GTS before I really need few.
That's what long-range gas tanks are for.

I have toured on the GTS extensively, both with and without a long-range gas tank. While longer range is preferable, I can only think of a handful of places in the US on paved roads where the limited range of the GTS was a problem. Offroad, yes, absolutely. But the GTS is not particularly suited to off-road use.
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80mi range for $11k? Surely you jest.
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it's capable of launching itself from zero to 31 miles in under three seconds
lol

my supertech does that in 2.5
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It's a very fair point when you compare what you could by with the same money.

My feeling is that even though it's a brave effort I fear that it's going to go the same way as the Livewire and the Zero.

It's another over priced niche product that show's what a manufacturer can produce but very few people will actually buy especially when battery longevity is still a concern.
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