Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:51 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:51 pm linkquote
An Elite engine that became a Grom.

https://www.cyclenews.com/2021/11/article/2022-honda-navi-first-look/
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:21 pm

Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:21 pm linkquote
is it really a scooter?

the engine is in the right place but it isn't a step-through.


let the arguments commence
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:24 pm

Hooked
Yellow GTS
Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 310
Location: Nashville, TN
 
Hooked
Yellow GTS
Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 310
Location: Nashville, TN
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:24 pm linkquote
Personally, I don't see it as a 'scooter'. Employing a CVT makes it 'scooter like' in its operation, but it's just a small motorcycle to me. It's like the old Honda Trail 50/70's. Those were lots of fun, but they weren't scooters.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:33 pm

Petty Tyrant
0:7
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 32620
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
0:7
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 32620
Location: Bay Area, California
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:33 pm linkquote
I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:
Quote:
What scooter models are eligible?
Participation is limited to scooters with an engine displacement less than 280cc. The scooter must satisfies at least three of the of the following five conditions: unit construction of engine, transmission and rear swing arm; wheels no larger than 10 inches; originally equipped with a step-through style frame; originally equipped with running boards or leg shield; a single cylinder engine design.
- Engine size of 109cc
- Single cylinder

So that's two qualifications. It obviously doesn't have a step-through frame, running boards, or a leg shield. The front wheel at 12" is too large to qualify (even though the rear wheel qualifies).

The final element is whether it has unit construction of the engine, transmission, and rear swingarm. I can't tell for certain from the photos, but it certainly looks like it does.

So that would be three out of five, and would thus qualify as a scooter.

Last edited by jess on Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:37 pm; edited 1 time in total
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:36 pm

Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:36 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:
so no GTS? 12" wheels. or if you add a polini cylinder which is 294cc.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Petty Tyrant
0:7
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 32620
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
0:7
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 32620
Location: Bay Area, California
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:38 pm linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
so no GTS? 12" wheels. or if you add a polini cylinder which is 294cc.
The GTS wheels don't qualify, but it qualifies via other elements, and so is still a scooter. It only needs three out of five to qualify.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:39 pm

Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
 
Addicted
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 702
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:39 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
The GTS wheels don't qualify, but it qualifies via other elements, and so is still a scooter. It only needs three out of five to qualify.
ah, I missed the 3 out of 5 part
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:08 pm

Member
GTS300ie
Joined: 05 Sep 2021
Posts: 23
Location: Netherlands
 
Member
GTS300ie
Joined: 05 Sep 2021
Posts: 23
Location: Netherlands
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:08 pm linkquote
Hmm, i think it looks rather akward. Can't say i like it.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:13 pm

Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
 
Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:13 pm linkquote
The Navi looks like a Ruckus, Monkey and Grom made a baby?
As others pointed out, it doesn't really look or smell as a scooter. More of a mini-moped IMO.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:27 pm

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:27 pm linkquote
I met the Navi back in February 2019 at the Expo2Ruedas in Costa Rica. It's a Honda India design and it's been around since 2016. Engine is effectively the same as the Elite 110. The space under the gas tank is a cargo box, it can be removed if desired. Funky little motorcycle/scooter hybrid.


Navi at the Expo entrance.


Side view.


Show booth.


Price tag then.


Instrument panel.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:37 pm

Addicted
1980 Honda Twinstar and 2004 Yamaha V Star
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Posts: 521
Location: Akron, Ohio
 
Addicted
1980 Honda Twinstar and 2004 Yamaha V Star
Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Posts: 521
Location: Akron, Ohio
Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:37 pm linkquote
That is a bit of an odd looking bike. Mechanically very scooter like. The price looks really good too. The price is almost the same as some of the higher end Chinese bikes sold on the internet. But, I assume wherever this bike is made that the Honda QC team has made sure that the quality is up to Honda standards.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:50 pm

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:50 pm linkquote
Top speed of the Activa it's based off of is 50mph. Wonder if it's essentially the same. If so, a bit too slow for my needs, otherwise it's so cheap I would take a shot at it for commuting. And I'm sure if I didn't like it, I could offload it easily second hand given how inexpensive it is.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:21 pm

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:21 pm linkquote
They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.


Dressed with some crash bars, decals and a custom saddle.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:30 pm

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:30 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
Top speed of the Activa it's based off of is 50mph. Wonder if it's essentially the same. If so, a bit too slow for my needs, otherwise it's so cheap I would take a shot at it for commuting. And I'm sure if I didn't like it, I could offload it easily second hand given how inexpensive it is.
It's a bit sad that an Activa is only good for 50. An Elite 80 in good tune could hit 47. I'd be surprised if there weren't any tweaks available to make it quicker.

The Indian Honda I've been keen for is the Eterno, which was discontinued about a decade ago. They came with metal bodywork and 4-speed manuals. Imagine rocking up to a vintage ride with that one.
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:42 pm

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:42 pm linkquote
az_slynch wrote:
It's a bit sad that an Activa is only good for 50. An Elite 80 in good tune could hit 47. I'd be surprised if there weren't any tweaks available to make it quicker.

The Indian Honda I've been keen for is the Eterno, which was discontinued about a decade ago. They came with metal bodywork and 4-speed manuals. Imagine rocking up to a vintage ride with that one.
About the only thing preventing me from jumping into something like this or an EV scooter/motorcycle is the lack of manual transmission. Something about twist and go I just can't personally enjoy! Give me an EV with shifter and I'll probably buy it.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am

Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
 
Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:45 am linkquote
My first questions would be how easy is it to make loud and annoying (like the Grom) and can I do wheelstands in traffic (like on the Grom)?

Important questions that need to be asked.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:45 am

Member
2010 GTS 300 Super
Joined: 07 Jun 2020
Posts: 21
Location: TN
 
Member
2010 GTS 300 Super
Joined: 07 Jun 2020
Posts: 21
Location: TN
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:45 am linkquote
It looks like fun. The most amazing part is that it looks to be priced under $1900 in the US. That's a pretty amazing price point.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:00 am

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:00 am linkquote
This has been around for a few years along with a 50cc stablemate. Picture the Navi with a PCX engine. Yahooooo!

https://bintelliscooters.com/product/150cc-bintelli-beast/
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am

Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
 
Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am linkquote
kz1000ST wrote:
This has been around for a few years along with a 50cc stablemate. Picture the Navi with a PCX engine. Yahooooo!

https://bintelliscooters.com/product/150cc-bintelli-beast/
Bintelli makes a decent scooter, but really?
Quote:
It has the heart of a motorcycle and the soul of a scooter!
What does that even mean?
Quote:
The Bintelli Beast includes a color changing digital speedometer
Why in the world would you even?
Quote:
and a sport sounding exhaust.
I swear, I am going to practice talking like this guy so I can sound like that all the time. "Wanna change the way yo tahlk? Now you caahn!"


I guess there's a market for this kind of thing, but I'm sure most people want EITHER a motorcycle OR a scooter. Just my thoughts.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:51 pm

Hooked
bv350, Brutale 910
Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Posts: 477
Location: LA CA
 
Hooked
bv350, Brutale 910
Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Posts: 477
Location: LA CA
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:51 pm linkquote
seamus26 wrote:
I swear, I am going to practice talking like this guy so I can sound like that all the time. "Wanna change the way yo tahlk? Now you caahn!"
this is FREAKING AMAZING. Also amazing it's still avail for sale at $21
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:14 pm linkquote
seamus26 wrote:
I guess there's a market for this kind of thing, but I'm sure most people want EITHER a motorcycle OR a scooter. Just my thoughts.
Because I'm pretty sure Honda does focus groups, recognizes that some people objected to shifting the Monkey, Super Cub and Grom and want to ride something that isn't a scooter but looks like a mini motorcycle that is twist and go. DCT will change the face of the sport and finding easy to ride bikes will be the future of sales.

You have seen this haven't you? I guess it would qualify for the Cannonball too.

https://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_MotorScooter_p/vt250mc-falcon.htm
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:23 pm

Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
 
Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:23 pm linkquote
kz1000ST wrote:
https://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_MotorScooter_p/vt250mc-falcon.htm
Wow, the stuff that's referred to as a "scooter" these days. Mind boggles.

Very soon Vespa won't be referred to as a scooter anymore, but just "Vespa", as it will stand out so far from the rest of the scooter range in the market that will deserve a name category of its own.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:05 pm

Addicted
S150, Beo 500ie
Joined: 14 Aug 2019
Posts: 681
Location: Bermuda
 
Addicted
S150, Beo 500ie
Joined: 14 Aug 2019
Posts: 681
Location: Bermuda
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:05 pm linkquote
As far as I'm concerned that machine has all the drawbacks of a small scooter and none of the benefits except, maybe, price - which might be good enough so it doesn't pull buyers away from the Monkey, Grom, or Super Cub.

Maybe that's the point. It's a Spree for the 2020s, except for people who are willing to get an M endorsement, don't mind a carburetor, but aren't willing to shift.

Will it attract people who would otherwise buy a used Vespa LX at that price point? Exact same demographic. It could put a cap on used LX prices.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:48 am

Ossessionato
Triumph Street Scrambler 2018, Suzuki VanVan200 (sold), 2015 Sprint 125 (sold)
Joined: 12 Apr 2015
Posts: 2715
Location: Finland
 
Ossessionato
Triumph Street Scrambler 2018, Suzuki VanVan200 (sold), 2015 Sprint 125 (sold)
Joined: 12 Apr 2015
Posts: 2715
Location: Finland
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:48 am linkquote
Hey, Grom folks have dug out the good old Motocompo!

I wonder if this time you'll get a free car with it?



Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:37 pm

Ossessionato
LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 3625
Location: Kingdom of Lanna
 
Ossessionato
LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 3625
Location: Kingdom of Lanna
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:37 pm linkquote
Or even this 108cc beast?

[url][/url]
Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:17 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7642
Location: New Zealand
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7642
Location: New Zealand
Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:17 pm linkquote
az_slynch wrote:
They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.
Are they crash bars or are they arguably leg shields?
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:08 pm

Addicted
2010 S50 Modified "Punkin"; 2003 ET4 Malossi 187 "ISO"
Joined: 18 Feb 2017
Posts: 744
Location: Deepinnaharta, Texas
 
Addicted
2010 S50 Modified "Punkin"; 2003 ET4 Malossi 187 "ISO"
Joined: 18 Feb 2017
Posts: 744
Location: Deepinnaharta, Texas
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:08 pm linkquote
Greetings:

Quoth Juan:
Quote:
It's a Spree for the 2020s, except for people who are willing to get an M endorsement
Aye, there's the rub: Most states, maybe all?, require the M on your Driver's license to ride this thing. Perhaps that's the strategic plan after all. Cheap entry-level price, offer (and collect additional revenue...) Honda Rider's Ed. to get on, and very soon tire of lackluster performance and move on up to a CB300 or somesuch?

Buyers of Castoff Navis will surely soon find an Aftermarket full of Hi-performance variators, big-bore kits and off we go! Buyers, lemme know when you wanna sell yours?
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:51 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:51 pm linkquote
I read an interesting piece in a website comments section. The writer felt that the Chinese are selling a large quantity of sub $2000 DP bikes and Grom copies and that Honda is looking to get a piece of that with the Navi. There might be something to it.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:07 am

Ossessionato
LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 3625
Location: Kingdom of Lanna
 
Ossessionato
LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 3625
Location: Kingdom of Lanna
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:07 am linkquote
az_slynch wrote:
They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.
None of the benefits of a motorbike, none of the benefits of a scooter
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 am

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 am linkquote
waspmike wrote:
None of the benefits of a motorbike, none of the benefits of a scooter
It has a cargo compartment in front of the engine, rear racks for a box on back will probably come down the pike and it's got CVT. It won't be a bike or a scooter, granted, it will be a Grom/Monkey competitor.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 am

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 am linkquote
Just a bit more food for thought: It's a small motorcycle with a frame unencumbered by the motor and the powertrain confined to the rear suspension.

In theory, it's not a bad candidate for electrification.

Consider this metamorphosis: the pseudo-gas tank becomes storage, the storage box becomes a removable battery module and the scooter motor gets replaced with a mid-drive or hub drive motor.

Introduce the shape while it's gas powered and build familiarity. Swap to EV and it's mentally easier for people to make the jump. It seems to be working for the F-150 Lightning. Heck, even Nissan dialed back the "space potato" look on the Leaf to make it more palatable to mainstream consumers.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:14 am

Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
 
Molto Verboso
1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T /Aprilia Sportcity One 50
Joined: 31 Jul 2014
Posts: 1261
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:14 am linkquote
az_slynch wrote:
Heck, even Nissan dialed back the "space potato" look on the Leaf to make it more palatable to mainstream consumers.
Ever since I read "space potato" the Leaf has become markedly more appealing to me.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:54 am

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:55 pm

eeee-bip
BMW R1100RT - The Paperweight Royal Enfield 500 Trials
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 18144
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
 
eeee-bip
BMW R1100RT - The Paperweight Royal Enfield 500 Trials
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 18144
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:55 pm linkquote
Not sure if this has been posted

Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:23 pm

eeee-bip
BMW R1100RT - The Paperweight Royal Enfield 500 Trials
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 18144
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
 
eeee-bip
BMW R1100RT - The Paperweight Royal Enfield 500 Trials
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
Posts: 18144
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:23 pm linkquote
It's the same but different.

Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:26 pm

Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
VSX, Stella 177, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9B1T
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3476
Location: Staten Island, NY
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:26 pm linkquote
Key takeaway... not suitable for highway. Truly is limited to city streets, so if you need to take a short jaunt on the highway to get to the city, no bueno!
Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:56 pm

Hooked
2005 GT 200, 2021 GTS 300 Super (yellow), 2021 GTS 300 Super (white)
Joined: 13 Sep 2016
Posts: 429
Location: Powhatan, Virginia
 
Hooked
2005 GT 200, 2021 GTS 300 Super (yellow), 2021 GTS 300 Super (white)
Joined: 13 Sep 2016
Posts: 429
Location: Powhatan, Virginia
Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:56 pm linkquote
I pulled the trigger on a red one today. I'll post pics and a review after I take ownership of it in mid February. I love odd looking bikes!
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:25 pm

Hooked
Piaggio BV350, Vespa GTS 300 Super
Joined: 03 Mar 2020
Posts: 146
Location: Dahlonega, GA
 
Hooked
Piaggio BV350, Vespa GTS 300 Super
Joined: 03 Mar 2020
Posts: 146
Location: Dahlonega, GA
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:25 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:



- Engine size of 109cc
- Single cylinder

So that's two qualifications.
Engine size is not one of the 5 qualifications.
The 5 qualifications are:

1.unit construction engine Trans swingarm
2. Wheels no larger than 10 inches
3. Step through design
4. Running boards or leg shield
5.single cylinder engine


So in addition to meeting the engine size spec, the grom still needs to meet 3 of the 5 qualifications, and it does not. It is not a scooter by SC definition.
Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:25 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1329
Location: Hyde Park, New York
Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:25 pm linkquote
rdhood wrote:
Engine size is not one of the 5 qualifications.
The 5 qualifications are:

1.unit construction engine Trans swingarm
2. Wheels no larger than 10 inches
3. Step through design
4. Running boards or leg shield
5.single cylinder engine


So in addition to meeting the engine size spec, the grom still needs to meet 3 of the 5 qualifications, and it does not. It is not a scooter by SC definition.
Yes, and it would have to compete with a geared Honda Super Cub which qualifies on 3 thru 5.
  DoubleGood Vespa Design  

All Content Copyright 2005-2021 by Modern Vespa. All Rights Reserved.

Modern Vespa is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com.

Shop on Amazon Smile with Modern Vespa

[ Time: 0.0394s ][ Queries: 7 (0.0174s) ][ Debug on ][ 209 ][ Thing One ]