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is it really a scooter?

the engine is in the right place but it isn't a step-through.


let the arguments commence
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Personally, I don't see it as a 'scooter'. Employing a CVT makes it 'scooter like' in its operation, but it's just a small motorcycle to me. It's like the old Honda Trail 50/70's. Those were lots of fun, but they weren't scooters.
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I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:
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What scooter models are eligible?
Participation is limited to scooters with an engine displacement less than 280cc. The scooter must satisfies at least three of the of the following five conditions: unit construction of engine, transmission and rear swing arm; wheels no larger than 10 inches; originally equipped with a step-through style frame; originally equipped with running boards or leg shield; a single cylinder engine design.
- Engine size of 109cc
- Single cylinder

So that's two qualifications. It obviously doesn't have a step-through frame, running boards, or a leg shield. The front wheel at 12" is too large to qualify (even though the rear wheel qualifies).

The final element is whether it has unit construction of the engine, transmission, and rear swingarm. I can't tell for certain from the photos, but it certainly looks like it does.

So that would be three out of five, and would thus qualify as a scooter.
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I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:
so no GTS? 12" wheels. or if you add a polini cylinder which is 294cc.
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so no GTS? 12" wheels. or if you add a polini cylinder which is 294cc.
The GTS wheels don't qualify, but it qualifies via other elements, and so is still a scooter. It only needs three out of five to qualify.
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The GTS wheels don't qualify, but it qualifies via other elements, and so is still a scooter. It only needs three out of five to qualify.
ah, I missed the 3 out of 5 part
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Hmm, i think it looks rather akward. Can't say i like it.
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The Navi looks like a Ruckus, Monkey and Grom made a baby?
As others pointed out, it doesn't really look or smell as a scooter. More of a mini-moped IMO.
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I met the Navi back in February 2019 at the Expo2Ruedas in Costa Rica. It's a Honda India design and it's been around since 2016. Engine is effectively the same as the Elite 110. The space under the gas tank is a cargo box, it can be removed if desired. Funky little motorcycle/scooter hybrid.
Navi at the Expo entrance.
Navi at the Expo entrance.
Side view.
Side view.
Show booth.
Show booth.
Price tag then.
Price tag then.
Instrument panel.
Instrument panel.
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That is a bit of an odd looking bike. Mechanically very scooter like. The price looks really good too. The price is almost the same as some of the higher end Chinese bikes sold on the internet. But, I assume wherever this bike is made that the Honda QC team has made sure that the quality is up to Honda standards.
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Top speed of the Activa it's based off of is 50mph. Wonder if it's essentially the same. If so, a bit too slow for my needs, otherwise it's so cheap I would take a shot at it for commuting. And I'm sure if I didn't like it, I could offload it easily second hand given how inexpensive it is.
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They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.
Dressed with some crash bars, decals and a custom saddle.
Dressed with some crash bars, decals and a custom saddle.
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Top speed of the Activa it's based off of is 50mph. Wonder if it's essentially the same. If so, a bit too slow for my needs, otherwise it's so cheap I would take a shot at it for commuting. And I'm sure if I didn't like it, I could offload it easily second hand given how inexpensive it is.
It's a bit sad that an Activa is only good for 50. An Elite 80 in good tune could hit 47. I'd be surprised if there weren't any tweaks available to make it quicker.

The Indian Honda I've been keen for is the Eterno, which was discontinued about a decade ago. They came with metal bodywork and 4-speed manuals. Imagine rocking up to a vintage ride with that one.
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It's a bit sad that an Activa is only good for 50. An Elite 80 in good tune could hit 47. I'd be surprised if there weren't any tweaks available to make it quicker.

The Indian Honda I've been keen for is the Eterno, which was discontinued about a decade ago. They came with metal bodywork and 4-speed manuals. Imagine rocking up to a vintage ride with that one.
About the only thing preventing me from jumping into something like this or an EV scooter/motorcycle is the lack of manual transmission. Something about twist and go I just can't personally enjoy! Give me an EV with shifter and I'll probably buy it.
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My first questions would be how easy is it to make loud and annoying (like the Grom) and can I do wheelstands in traffic (like on the Grom)?

Important questions that need to be asked.
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It looks like fun. The most amazing part is that it looks to be priced under $1900 in the US. Wha? emoticon That's a pretty amazing price point.
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This has been around for a few years along with a 50cc stablemate. Picture the Navi with a PCX engine. Yahooooo!

https://bintelliscooters.com/product/150cc-bintelli-beast/
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This has been around for a few years along with a 50cc stablemate. Picture the Navi with a PCX engine. Yahooooo!

https://bintelliscooters.com/product/150cc-bintelli-beast/
Bintelli makes a decent scooter, but really?
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It has the heart of a motorcycle and the soul of a scooter!
What does that even mean?
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The Bintelli Beast includes a color changing digital speedometer
Why in the world would you even?
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and a sport sounding exhaust.
I swear, I am going to practice talking like this guy so I can sound like that all the time. "Wanna change the way yo tahlk? Now you caahn!"


I guess there's a market for this kind of thing, but I'm sure most people want EITHER a motorcycle OR a scooter. Just my thoughts.
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I swear, I am going to practice talking like this guy so I can sound like that all the time. "Wanna change the way yo tahlk? Now you caahn!"
this is FREAKING AMAZING. Also amazing it's still avail for sale at $21
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I guess there's a market for this kind of thing, but I'm sure most people want EITHER a motorcycle OR a scooter. Just my thoughts.
Because I'm pretty sure Honda does focus groups, recognizes that some people objected to shifting the Monkey, Super Cub and Grom and want to ride something that isn't a scooter but looks like a mini motorcycle that is twist and go. DCT will change the face of the sport and finding easy to ride bikes will be the future of sales.

You have seen this haven't you? I guess it would qualify for the Cannonball too.

https://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_MotorScooter_p/vt250mc-falcon.htm
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https://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_MotorScooter_p/vt250mc-falcon.htm
Wow, the stuff that's referred to as a "scooter" these days. Mind boggles.

Very soon Vespa won't be referred to as a scooter anymore, but just "Vespa", as it will stand out so far from the rest of the scooter range in the market that will deserve a name category of its own.
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As far as I'm concerned that machine has all the drawbacks of a small scooter and none of the benefits except, maybe, price - which might be good enough so it doesn't pull buyers away from the Monkey, Grom, or Super Cub.

Maybe that's the point. It's a Spree for the 2020s, except for people who are willing to get an M endorsement, don't mind a carburetor, but aren't willing to shift.

Will it attract people who would otherwise buy a used Vespa LX at that price point? Exact same demographic. It could put a cap on used LX prices.
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Hey, Grom folks have dug out the good old Motocompo!

I wonder if this time you'll get a free car with it?
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Or even this 108cc beast?

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They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.
Are they crash bars or are they arguably leg shields?
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Greetings:

Quoth Juan:
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It's a Spree for the 2020s, except for people who are willing to get an M endorsement
Aye, there's the rub: Most states, maybe all?, require the M on your Driver's license to ride this thing. Perhaps that's the strategic plan after all. Cheap entry-level price, offer (and collect additional revenue...) Honda Rider's Ed. to get on, and very soon tire of lackluster performance and move on up to a CB300 or somesuch?

Buyers of Castoff Navis will surely soon find an Aftermarket full of Hi-performance variators, big-bore kits and off we go! Buyers, lemme know when you wanna sell yours?
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I read an interesting piece in a website comments section. The writer felt that the Chinese are selling a large quantity of sub $2000 DP bikes and Grom copies and that Honda is looking to get a piece of that with the Navi. There might be something to it.
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az_slynch wrote:
They were apparently available in Mexico too. Spotted this evening in Guadalajara.
None of the benefits of a motorbike, none of the benefits of a scooter Facepalm emoticon
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None of the benefits of a motorbike, none of the benefits of a scooter Facepalm emoticon
It has a cargo compartment in front of the engine, rear racks for a box on back will probably come down the pike and it's got CVT. It won't be a bike or a scooter, granted, it will be a Grom/Monkey competitor.
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Just a bit more food for thought: It's a small motorcycle with a frame unencumbered by the motor and the powertrain confined to the rear suspension.

In theory, it's not a bad candidate for electrification.

Consider this metamorphosis: the pseudo-gas tank becomes storage, the storage box becomes a removable battery module and the scooter motor gets replaced with a mid-drive or hub drive motor.

Introduce the shape while it's gas powered and build familiarity. Swap to EV and it's mentally easier for people to make the jump. It seems to be working for the F-150 Lightning. Heck, even Nissan dialed back the "space potato" look on the Leaf to make it more palatable to mainstream consumers.
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Heck, even Nissan dialed back the "space potato" look on the Leaf to make it more palatable to mainstream consumers.
Ever since I read "space potato" the Leaf has become markedly more appealing to me.
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I pulled the trigger on a red one today. I'll post pics and a review after I take ownership of it in mid February. I love odd looking bikes!
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I think the Scooter Cannonball rules regarding what qualifies as a scooter (developed by our own oopsclunkthud) are instructive here:



- Engine size of 109cc
- Single cylinder

So that's two qualifications.
Engine size is not one of the 5 qualifications.
The 5 qualifications are:

1.unit construction engine Trans swingarm
2. Wheels no larger than 10 inches
3. Step through design
4. Running boards or leg shield
5.single cylinder engine


So in addition to meeting the engine size spec, the grom still needs to meet 3 of the 5 qualifications, and it does not. It is not a scooter by SC definition.
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rdhood wrote:
Engine size is not one of the 5 qualifications.
The 5 qualifications are:

1.unit construction engine Trans swingarm
2. Wheels no larger than 10 inches
3. Step through design
4. Running boards or leg shield
5.single cylinder engine


So in addition to meeting the engine size spec, the grom still needs to meet 3 of the 5 qualifications, and it does not. It is not a scooter by SC definition.
Yes, and it would have to compete with a geared Honda Super Cub which qualifies on 3 thru 5.
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